IC Netspeak/Chat Filter: Suggestions

Nervere · Post by **Nervere** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:28 am #499921

With the IC chat filter PR merged, I would like to discuss what we should begin to filter using this system.
Ideally, not much will be filtered. Common netspeak violations like lol, wtf, xd, and so on will go on the list. I would like people to submit other common forms of netspeak / OOC in IC in this thread.

What I am looking for:
• Common forms of netspeak.
• Anything else OOC that should be filtered from IC chat.

What I am not looking for:
• Curse words or slurs - This is IC and we are not looking to be hugbox and censor the speech of others.
• Arguments like, "I say it in real life!" - No one cares that you're socially inept.
• Code discussions - Feel free to make improvements to the system yourself, but I'd like this thread to stay on the topic of how we can use the filter we have now.

Keep in mind that this system is to make a frequently seen policy issue easier for admins to moderate.
I am primarily looking to add OOC terms only to the list. The goal is to not make it some shitty chat filter that censors swear words or other stuff not against the rules.
As it works right now, the filter simply blocks the message that contains the filtered word and tells the player to not use netspeak/read the rules.

NamesAreHard · Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:34 am

OOC, admin, afk, lmao, rofl, antag, gamemode

Karp · Post by **Karp** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:35 am #499927

you would probably want to filter emoticons like

=) =(

:d XD xd Xd xD :p ;p :3 etc

SkeletalElite · Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:35 am

metagame

metagaming

Nervere · Post by **Nervere** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:36 am #499929

Thoughts on adding "Reddit" to the filter?

MortoSasye · Post by **MortoSasye** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:38 am #499930

feet

I see emotes a lot in event hall: uwu, owo,

, :C, =D, =C,

, xd, xD

Also the following: round, >>valid<<, admeme

Adding reddit seems fine by me

Karp · Post by **Karp** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:39 am #499931

Things like admin/gamemode/antag seem a bit invasive into things people would and could say in character in a valid context

I kinda also wanna hear someone talk about their space reddit blog ingame but I doubt anyone is that creative, they could just say space-reddit instead and dodge the filter

Nalzul · Post by **Nalzul** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:39 am #499932

"it(')s revs"
lol
kek
omg
tbh
owo
uwu
valid
idk
cbt
tfw
mfw
rape (not really OOC in IC but there's never been a case where this word has be used positively, especially when people scream that sec is raping them)
iirc
lmao
lmfao
afaik
afk

NamesAreHard · Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:41 am

Rounds could be used to refer to bullets, so I think it shouldn't be on the list. The list should only include things that don't have any context where they would be allowed.

Nervere · Post by **Nervere** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:42 am #499934

Nalzul wrote:rape (not really OOC in IC but there's never been a case where this word has be used positively, especially when people scream that sec is raping them)

It's not great for people to say this IC'ly, but it's not OOC or against the rules, and does not fit the use case for the filter. The others in your list look fine.

SkeletalElite · Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:44 am

MortoSasye wrote:Also the following: round, >>valid<<, admeme

These seem a little intrusive and are words that could be used in a valid circumstance.

ie. "You require valid paperwork"

Nervere · Post by **Nervere** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:44 am #499936

Karp wrote:Things like admin/gamemode/antag seem a bit invasive into things people would and could say in character in a valid context

I kinda also wanna hear someone talk about their space reddit blog ingame but I doubt anyone is that creative, they could just say space-reddit instead and dodge the filter

This is a valid concern, but keep in mind that we won't be running into the Scunthorpe problem because of how the filter works.

NamesAreHard wrote:Rounds could be used to refer to bullets, so I think it shouldn't be on the list. The list should only include things that don't have any context where they would be allowed.

I'll keep this in mind, and won't add it to the filter.

SkeletalElite · Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:26 am

I think there is an argument to be made that lol and lmao aren't ooc in ic. It maybe somewhat outside the extent of this thread but I figure I will bring it up anyways. These are things that people say outloud in regular conversation pretty normally. When I'm talking to my friends I say lol and lmao sometimes and so do they. Lots of people do it. You could argue that people don't talk like that 500 years in the future, but I don't think thats an appropriate argument for a low RP server. People communicate with each other in the game in the same way that they would in real life and it's strange to expect people to speak differently because "500 years in the future people have different mannerisms than people in 2019" in a low RP server.

elyina · Post by **elyina** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:34 am #499945

it's revs
ERP
adminhelp
ahelp
the various emojis

Nalzul · Post by **Nalzul** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:46 am #499947

SkeletalElite wrote:I think there is an argument to be made that lol and lmao aren't ooc in ic. It maybe somewhat outside the extent of this thread but I figure I will bring it up anyways. These are things that people say outloud in regular conversation pretty normally. When I'm talking to my friends I say lol and lmao sometimes and so do they. Lots of people do it. You could argue that people don't talk like that 500 years in the future, but I don't think thats an appropriate argument for a low RP server. People communicate with each other in the game in the same way that they would in real life and it's strange to expect people to speak differently because "500 years in the future people have different mannerisms than people in 2019" in a low RP server.

Nervere wrote:What I am not looking for:
• Arguments like, "I say it in real life!" - No one cares that you're socially inept.

Malkraz · Post by **Malkraz** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:02 am #499950

There's plenty of valid ways the word valid can be used that aren't referring to someone's status as a valid.

Nervere wrote:This is a valid concern,

Even when it's used in that context it's still valid usage.

MortoSasye · Post by **MortoSasye** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:04 am #499951

yeah good point didn't consider that

teepeepee · Post by **teepeepee** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:06 am #499952

Nalzul wrote:"it(')s revs"

[Security] Ned Speaker says, "Hello, I've just arrived"
[Security] Ned Speaker says, "What is the current threat to the station?"
Clue Less says, "It's revs"
[Security] Clue Less says, "It's revs"
*BWOINK*
--ADMINISTRATOR PRIVATE MESSAGE--
Admin PM from-Ban Quota(Anime Catgirl):Why did you netspeak? you have too many notes, enjoy your ban
Click on the administrator's name to reply.
You have been banned by Banquota.
Reason: OOC in IC
This is a permanent ban.
To try to resolve this matter head to https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=7
You have been disconected.

Post by **oranges** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:10 am #499953

word of advice don't try to get fancy with the blocks you'll just cause problems

Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:18 am

oranges wrote:word of advice don't try to get fancy with the blocks you'll just cause problems

yeah i'm thinking we should keep it simple, it should be used for the bare minimum most braindead obvious ooc in ic things. things like ":)" or "=D" for example. full words like admin, valid, round, etc have no place in the filter

Arathian · Post by **Arathian** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:13 am #499984

In general, make sure the filter only filters things by themselves. There are valid words that contain "lol" in them for example.

Also, certain words should translate to something. For example, typing "lol" or "lmao", instead of simply not appearing, could be altered to "Haha". Brb could become "be right right back", "wtf" to "what the fuck" etc

Even emojis could become a /me thing. Messages with ":(" could have a "<Name> frowns" right after the message or ":)" could have "<Name> smiles"

It will be, in general, far less frustrating to players when their messages aren't eaten by the void and are instead translated into valid in game messages. It also helps people not having to type the whole "as far as I know".

If chinese cartoon porn forums can do word translation, I am sure ss13 can.

Tlaltecuhtli · Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:17 am

why is it a filter and not a word replacer, like saying wtf would spell it right for you and saying "lol" would do *laugh we have the technology

Nervere · Post by **Nervere** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:17 am #499986

teepeepee wrote:
Nalzul wrote:"it(')s revs"
[Security] Ned Speaker says, "Hello, I've just arrived"
[Security] Ned Speaker says, "What is the current threat to the station?"
Clue Less says, "It's revs"
[Security] Clue Less says, "It's revs"
*BWOINK*
--ADMINISTRATOR PRIVATE MESSAGE--
Admin PM from-Ban Quota(Anime Catgirl):Why did you netspeak? you have too many notes, enjoy your ban
Click on the administrator's name to reply.
You have been banned by Banquota.
Reason: OOC in IC
This is a permanent ban.
To try to resolve this matter head to https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=7
You have been disconected.

Completely unrelated, but if I ever see an admin say, “enjoy your ban” in a ticket, I’m going to crucify them.

Shadowflame909 · Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:32 am

Valid.

donutstation · Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:06 am

Dr_bee · Post by **Dr_bee** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:25 am #500011

Limit it to just netspeak please. Netspeak doesnt have a place but certain game terms like admins, its revs, and the like, will be disruptive as hell. Also limiting non-netspeak terms would make teaching new people about game mechanics hell, as often you have to use pseudo OOC language to help.

For example, restricting the word admins is stupid because you could be referring to centcom in character. It is a plausable in character way to talk about centcom.

I hate the slippery slope argument but this tool should be used VERY CAREFULLY.

Dr_bee · Post by **Dr_bee** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:26 am #500012

Tlaltecuhtli wrote:why is it a filter and not a word replacer, like saying wtf would spell it right for you and saying "lol" would do *laugh we have the technology

I suggested this in the PR but I aint a coder so I dont really have much of a say. Wordfilters would be the proper tradition for a 4chan related server anyway.

Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:54 am

Lol why the hell would valid or admin be blocked, you people realize those are actual words right?

Taylork2 · Post by **Taylork2** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:04 pm #500015

elyina wrote:it's revs
ERP
adminhelp
ahelp
the various emojis

I wouldn't include ahelp or adminhelp as Holoparasites, Guardians, imaginary friends and a few other roles commonly act as instructors to new players and blocking such phrases from being spoken can make it more difficult or lengthy to explain certain concepts or things about the game, or how to quickly learn about something relevant to their situation.

Malkraz · Post by **Malkraz** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:40 pm #500018

Shaps-cloud wrote:Lol why the hell would valid or admin be blocked, you people realize those are actual words right?

There's a really bizarre autistic anger towards calling people "valid" IC for some reason

Nilons · Post by **Nilons** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:54 pm #500021

sometimes when i put emoticons into ooc it will prompt me to put them in IC chat instead

confused rock · Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:58 pm

Shaps-cloud wrote:Lol why the hell would valid or admin be blocked, you people realize those are actual words right?

I got beaned on once for saying valid so now I'm jealous of people who didn't get beaned on and I don't feel they deserve to get away with it if I, the divine being that I am, failed to.

WarbossLincoln · Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:24 pm

Can the blocked string contain spaces?

"it's revs"
"it's traitors"
"it's cult"

For some reason that grinds my gears way more than people saying "lol". Sometimes I wish I was an admin just so that I could spawn in new antags to metabreak people who say things like "There cant' be a traitor it's revs"

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:47 pm #500032

Malkraz wrote:
Shaps-cloud wrote:Lol why the hell would valid or admin be blocked, you people realize those are actual words right?
There's a really bizarre autistic anger towards calling people "valid" IC for some reason

confused rock wrote:
Shaps-cloud wrote:Lol why the hell would valid or admin be blocked, you people realize those are actual words right?
I got beaned on once for saying valid so now I'm jealous of people who didn't get beaned on and I don't feel they deserve to get away with it if I, the divine being that I am, failed to.

You shouldn't use valid in the SS13 meaning of "valid to be killed", but valid still has valid uses outside of that

imsxz · Post by **imsxz** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:14 pm #500036

“Traitor/tator” in general is super fucking cringe IMO

Obligatory “kek”

Malkraz · Post by **Malkraz** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:17 pm #500037

how the fuck is saying "he's a traitor" cringe that's literally what they are

Ayy Lemoh · Post by **Ayy Lemoh** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:22 pm #500038

Honestly, the words changeling and ling are dumb. We should include it in the filter.

edit: yes, this is a joke.

Snuffleupagus · Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:24 pm

Nalzul wrote:"it(')s revs"
lol
kek
omg
tbh
owo
uwu
valid
idk
cbt
tfw
mfw
rape (not really OOC in IC but there's never been a case where this word has be used positively, especially when people scream that sec is raping them)
iirc
lmao
lmfao
afaik
afk

“Rape” get the fuck out of here with this SJW bullshit. Same with “Its revs.”

That being said, atm, fwiw, wtf, scuwwa bawdus.

Snuffleupagus · Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:27 pm

Taylork2 wrote:
elyina wrote:it's revs
ERP
adminhelp
ahelp
the various emojis
I wouldn't include ahelp or adminhelp as Holoparasites, Guardians, imaginary friends and a few other roles commonly act as instructors to new players and blocking such phrases from being spoken can make it more difficult or lengthy to explain certain concepts or things about the game, or how to quickly learn about something relevant to their situation.

I think ahelp and adminhelp is valid. I usually instruct people to contact command or nanotrasen or your local union representative. Something along those lines.

As for ERP what’s wrong with that? “Hey jimmy wanna erp on our pdas?”

Ayy Lemoh · Post by **Ayy Lemoh** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:33 pm #500041

Time for the serious post:
There's a No ERP poster. There's also a valid salad item.

Can we stop trying to make stuff already in the game a filthy icky word that must be filtered out? This should be for blatant shit, not stuff that could make any logical amount of sense. This filter is going to fucking suck from what I fear.

Snuffleupagus · Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:34 pm

Ayy Lemoh wrote:Time for the serious post:
There's a No ERP poster. There's also a valid salad item.

Can we stop trying to make stuff already in the game a filthy icky word that must be filtered out? This should be for blatant shit, not stuff that could make any logical amount of sense. This filter is going to fucking suck from what I fear.

I agree. Honestly this whole thing seems like bullshit just like the honorifics debacle. An admin acted a retard and banned someone for netspeak and someone tried to appeal it and then the admins started crying “muhhhh imurshun.” because they don’t want to admit they fucked up. I can’t recall a time where someone used netspeak and I was so absolutely mad about it I ahelped it.

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:48 pm #500043

Snuffleupagus wrote:As for ERP what’s wrong with that? “Hey jimmy wanna erp on our pdas?”

Finally someone else who gets it

Dr_bee · Post by **Dr_bee** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:48 pm #500049

Shaps-cloud wrote:
Snuffleupagus wrote:As for ERP what’s wrong with that? “Hey jimmy wanna erp on our pdas?”
Finally someone else who gets it

In character ERP. so you can roleplay while you roleplay in your space roleplaying game.

imsxz · Post by **imsxz** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:51 pm #500050

Malkraz wrote:how the fuck is saying "he's a traitor" cringe that's literally what they are

A "traitor" isn't what they are in character, they're more spies/infiltrators/saboteurs if anything. Most people even call them agents/syndie/syndicate/operative/etc because it makes more sense in the game universe. Even worse is when you get into shit like "x has a traitor weapon!!" like damn i know this is a lowRP server but cmon can you put any effort into acting like you're not playing a game

Skillywatt · Post by **Skillywatt** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:55 pm #500052

most of these are absolutely ridiculous and have the potential to impede regular conversation.

just filter net acronyms and face shit like "lol" and "OwO"

I'm sorry someone saying "skillywatt is a ling" breaks immersion in your 2d atmos simulator but seriously, fuck off

Nervere · Post by **Nervere** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:18 pm #500053

I'm not going to filter stuff like, "traitor" or "ling". These are common IC terms. Filtering that makes no sense at all.

Nabski · Post by **Nabski** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:22 pm #500054

Do we stop at netspeak?

We could stop slurs like "LIGGER" and "CATBEAST" from impuning our sacred server too.

Snuffleupagus · Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:51 pm

Nabski wrote:Do we stop at netspeak?

We could stop slurs like "LIGGER" and "CATBEAST" from impuning our sacred server too.

As someone who regularly plays a ligger don’t you dare remove the ability for someone to call me such, and as for someone who puts on cat ears and a cat tail don’t take away the ability to call them a catfag

Thundercoot · Post by **Thundercoot** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:58 pm #500061

"roundstart" is always OOC.

Nabski · Post by **Nabski** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:25 pm #500064

Better question. Does this block PDA messages?