Ash lizards should not be allowed to actively invade the station

Timonk · Post by **Timonk** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:01 pm #471229

why would they if they are "protecting their home"? how are ash lizards supposed to know how mining shuttles work? does expelling from their home include fucking murdering people on the space station?

wesoda25 · Post by **wesoda25** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:37 pm #471251

More sacrifices for the nest.

Shadowflame909 · Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:42 pm

From what I've been told, they can use it to freely antag on the station because they can't use guns and can't wear shoes.

So taking advantage of this with water slips and bolting the mining door, makes them as good as cheesed.

Honestly, though, I see more people using it to get back into the round as a free respawn, and they don't go against the station at all.

Lavaland has a whole lot of free-respawns.

Timonk · Post by **Timonk** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:45 pm #471254

wesoda25 wrote:More sacrifices for the nest.

they are supposed to protect their home and hunt the invaders away from their home but the station isnt their home.

wesoda25 · Post by **wesoda25** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:56 pm #471255

It breeds fun conflicts. Gives cargo a bit more to do. Inter station wars, etc.

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:57 pm #471256

one of my favorite rounds recently was when the lizards on the station adopted an ashwalker, taught him about on-station stuff and tried to keep him safe even though traitors were traitoring

confused rock · Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:07 pm

why would miners be hunting magic swords if they're supposed to "mine plasma and resources"?

WarbossLincoln · Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:09 pm

One time recently I was the warden while there was no HOS and I ended up being the de facto HOS most of the round. An ash ligger made his way to the station, only speaking draconic and ended up finding me. I recruited him into sec and he actually ended up being the best officer on the station. Yelling at humans in draconic as he batons them for crimes and throws them in jail.

10/10 would hire ash ligger sec again.

Shezza · Post by **Shezza** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:32 pm #471287

>bunch of spearchuckers is a problem for station

for gods sake they can't even use ranged weapons and they're valid salad on sight for the AI, if you lose to them then you're hilariously unrobust

This is seriously a non-issue, just order the borgs to flash and smash the illegal immigrants

Ayy Lemoh · Post by **Ayy Lemoh** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:54 pm #471293

confused rock wrote:why would miners be hunting magic swords if they're supposed to "mine plasma and resources"?

To be honest, what seems more possible to happen:
tribal lizards mass invading the equivalent of medieval europe to protect their caveman home
or
miners who explore what is basically the underground while finding cool artifacts (even if they purposely search for said artifacts)

Timonk · Post by **Timonk** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:00 pm #471296

Shezza wrote:>bunch of spearchuckers is a problem for station

for gods sake they can't even use ranged weapons and they're valid salad on sight for the AI, if you lose to them then you're hilariously unrobust

This is seriously a non-issue, just order the borgs to flash and smash the illegal immigrants

They become a problem as soon as they somehow get batons and heads of staff capes and go captain hunting

wesoda25 · Post by **wesoda25** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:32 pm #471302

That’s unfortunate really.

Post by **Cobby** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:24 pm #471311

you should suspect any lizard in a command position

Gamarr · Post by **Gamarr** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:03 pm #471317

Lavaland is boring, honestly, which is why miners do anything but mine in general and lizards tend to go station-side.

Either the liggers get purged by boss monsters or miners with their superior ranged weaponry with infinite ammo or the miners disappear/aren't there and the liggers are bored since there's fuckall to do for them there in regards to said boss monsters.

Timonk · Post by **Timonk** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:53 am #471451

This is also kinda an ided because the botanist drugged the crew with slippery hydrodermic prickles moonshine space drug coacoa pods that would make you fat because of their nutriment and would drug you up and make you drunk(it was announced extended). So, i was the captain on the asteroid shuttle and 2 heavily armed ash lizards come along, stun me and 2 borgs and decapitate me.

IkeTG · Post by **IkeTG** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:03 pm #471520

Timonk wrote:how are ash lizards supposed to know how mining shuttles work?

You only have to press one button to operate the shuttle, if they can hold a spear they can press a button honestly

Plus if ash lizards weren't allowed to enter the station period then you're losing out on a lot of potential emergent gameplay

somerandomguy · Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:57 pm

>illegal immigrants
Just build a wall

Post by **Boris** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:40 pm #471541

As long as you take bodies back to the nest it's fine i'd say, if you don't take bodies back to the nest you can go fuck yourself though.

Vile Beggar · Post by **Vile Beggar** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:15 pm #471549

i remember when ashlizards used to bohbomb the station, can they still do that now?

confused rock · Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:16 pm

they could never fucking do that if you're letting ash walkers get fucking bags of holding you're seriously fucking up

4dplanner · Post by **4dplanner** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:41 pm #471583

Technically if they murder the golems they stand a chance of doing it, but yeah get good lol

Phony_Name · Post by **Phony_Name** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 6:15 pm #471602

There should be limits on what ashlizards can understand. Last night on Sybil we had an ashlizard who moved straight to the mining base, mounted an assault on mining bay (all well and good until now) and then when we made the shuttle a hard vaccum to lock them out, understood that mining hardsuits protected you, got to the station, get a crusher from a mining vending machine, rode in an APLU Ripley to fight cargo bay, spacewalked flawlessly and understood how to use various IDs to get various accesses. I'm not saying ashlizards attacking the station isn't all well and good but it should not be a free, limitless murderbone antag role, which is what it comes down to almost every game I see ashlizards do anything but die to megafauna in.
I would hope we can agree that that should be a little out of bounds, and use ridiculousness like that (and Ashlizard BoH bomb as mentioned earlier) in guiding a better policy for them.

confused rock · Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:18 pm

something something slippery slope, why should ash walkers be unable to hardsuit but assistants can set up the SM just fine
If ash walkers being free murderbone is a problem maybe try shooting them next time instead of leaving them with a free hardsuit and ripley when facing one of the very few station threats in the entire game
if this is a consistent problem then maybe lavaland's the problem

4dplanner · Post by **4dplanner** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:27 pm #471644

Honestly this sounds like just another lowpop murderbone problem. We don't ban traitors from ebow eswording just because it's annoying on lowpop.

confused rock · Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:10 pm

if you get lowpop murderboned by something that's completely outta options if you decon the console on lavaland you need to rethink your experience

imsxz · Post by **imsxz** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:33 am #471774

they cant even use guns lmao, limit them through code if anything and give em the monkey brain trauma. ided.

4dplanner · Post by **4dplanner** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:53 am #471780

confused rock wrote:if you get lowpop murderboned by something that's completely outta options if you decon the console on lavaland you need to rethink your experience

golem ship -> teleporter works, doesn't it?

confused rock · Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:45 am

that's a golem problem then

lmwevil · Post by **lmwevil** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:32 am #471996

if the ashliggers get up and manage to take over the station you only have yourselves to blame, emergent gameplay and some great memories from that shit

Tlaltecuhtli · Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:52 am

just remove the rcd in their base and look how hard it becomes to invade the station lol

obscolene · Post by **obscolene** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:18 pm #472011

Tlaltecuhtli wrote:just remove the rcd in their base and look how hard it becomes to invade the station lol

what

Tlaltecuhtli · Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:06 pm

without the rcd they cant break the mining dock door on station so they have to either ambush miners to steal their id or break into space making it evident for silicons that there are ashliggers on station as they get air alarms

Anuv · Post by **Anuv** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:17 pm #472023

Full tool kit and combat gloves?

somerandomguy · Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:54 pm

Spears might break doors too

Daxxed · Post by **Daxxed** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:47 pm #472919

Does this codermans even play thinking the RCD is for anything other than crossing lava ?

obscolene · Post by **obscolene** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:27 am #473030

LMAO when the fuck did ash liggers get an RCD?

Karp · Post by **Karp** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:02 am #473073

they've always had an rcd lol

Unironically though get good lizards are a joke to deal with short of bombings/boh bombings, they might be able to overwhelm the station on lowpop but at that point you can just destroy the mining shuttle console on mining

The real thing i dislike about them is that they're a free respawn if you die, not to mention they're antagonists so it's a free antag role if you die

Daxxed · Post by **Daxxed** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:39 am #473105

I gave some trigger modded PKAs, made them more eggs and still beat them while being outnumbered, hardly even trying too... This is big I ded and you people need to git gud.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:15 am #473110

confused rock wrote:why would miners be hunting magic swords if they're supposed to "mine plasma and resources"?

because lavaland was a mistake

Daxxed · Post by **Daxxed** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:18 am #473111

DemonFiren wrote:
confused rock wrote:why would miners be hunting magic swords if they're supposed to "mine plasma and resources"?
because lavaland was a mistake

t. zero total boss killcount

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:24 am #473115

Daxxed wrote:
DemonFiren wrote:
confused rock wrote:why would miners be hunting magic swords if they're supposed to "mine plasma and resources"?
because lavaland was a mistake
t. zero total boss killcount

t. cancer whose killcount includes /tg/

Daxxed · Post by **Daxxed** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:34 am #473119

You keep stating opinions on stuff you don’t even play, then act surprised when people respond.
Next level ironical shitposting.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:02 pm #473126

Daxxed wrote:You keep stating opinions on stuff you don’t even play, then act surprised when people respond.
Next level ironical shitposting.

4dplanner · Post by **4dplanner** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:13 pm #473144

I like both sides of lizard invasions personally - the challenge of fighting as an unga bunga versus people with guns, and the free valids of absolutely fucking them up with whatever tools you've managed to acquire throughout the round.

edit: And part of the fun is that losing is a part of the game

Post by **NoxVS** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:41 pm #473160

The only problem with ashwalkers right now is how lizards on the station decide “hey the unga lizards wont act like antags this time I’m gonna save them” and the suddenly there’s several ashwalkers killing people

Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:11 pm

Daxxed wrote:
DemonFiren wrote:
confused rock wrote:why would miners be hunting magic swords if they're supposed to "mine plasma and resources"?
because lavaland was a mistake
t. zero total boss killcount

ironic

confused rock · Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:07 pm

"the nazis were bad people"
"t.zero total jew killcount"

iksyp · Post by **iksyp** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:02 pm #473204

their home can't be attacked if there's no one to attack their home
it's called an aggressive defense

obscolene · Post by **obscolene** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:50 pm #473232

confused rock wrote:"the nazis were bad people"
"t.zero total jew killcount"

>unironically invoking godwin's law in the year of our lord two thousand and nineteen
pitiful...

Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:03 am

obscolene wrote:
confused rock wrote:"the nazis were bad people"
"t.zero total jew killcount"
>unironically invoking godwin's law in the year of our lord two thousand and nineteen
pitiful...

>food analogy