Naming Policy Changes

Shadowflame909 · Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:40 pm

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oranges wrote:What if I added a nickname field in prefs that shows up in your character description when you're examined?

Can we add backstories that show up when your character's examined?

tinodrima7020 · Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:00 am

Only if we get flavor text too

Anuv · Post by **Anuv** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:13 am #463376

Karp · Post by **Karp** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:18 am #463377

Anuv wrote:snip

bad name and you should feel bad

Post by **oranges** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:19 am #463378

Shadowflame909 wrote:
oranges wrote:What if I added a nickname field in prefs that shows up in your character description when you're examined?
Can we add backstories that show up when your character's examined?

https://pastebin.com/hFfYH2st

No

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:12 am #463412

oranges wrote:
Shadowflame909 wrote:
oranges wrote:What if I added a nickname field in prefs that shows up in your character description when you're examined?
Can we add backstories that show up when your character's examined?
https://pastebin.com/hFfYH2st

No

[MENTAL STATUS]:Unstable,Autistic

it could of stopped there honestly

sotvec · Post by **sotvec** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:47 am #463430

So does this mean Jell E. Donnit is no longer allowed? cause if so im FUCKED outta names amigo

Bawhoppennn · Post by **Bawhoppennn** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:50 am #463433

I have to reiterate my strong dislike for the fact the rules have been changed to be even more restrictive, and now will actually be enforced for the hard firstname-lastname rule. This disqualifies a large portion of Arabic and Indian naming schemes, both of which are very large population groups which would logically be present in the ss13's futuristic space setting.

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:31 am #463455

Nilons wrote:
BeeSting12 wrote:I can't remember if it was nerv or ari but they said a name with "von" in it, as long as it's good faith, is allowed.
either youre misinformed somehow or they were lying, because I was told the direct opposite by nervere
btfo
NikNakFlak wrote:But Ostrava DeBoletaria or Ostrava VonBoletaria would probably be ok and that's what Vaina is arguing about
also the fact you're telling players to skirt policy and toe the line because its stupid means you should just not have it in the first place

I said probably also, I'm not telling you to toe the line because the policy is stupid, I'm telling you to toe the line because your name is stupid

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:07 am #463476

Nanotrasen only hires people of Western descent. Or at least fill in a Western sounding name on the employment form.

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:17 am #463494

oranges wrote:What if I added a nickname field in prefs that shows up in your character description when you're examined?

Ostrava "of" Nanotrasen

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:18 am #463495

Steelpoint wrote:Nanotrasen only hires people of Western descent. Or at least fill in a Western sounding name on the employment form.

Can I start asking people to prove they're not islamic at HoP?

Malkraz · Post by **Malkraz** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:08 am #463514

iamgoofball wrote:
Steelpoint wrote:Nanotrasen only hires people of Western descent. Or at least fill in a Western sounding name on the employment form.
Can I start asking people to prove they're not islamic at HoP?

The fact that your line hasn't blown up should be enough

Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:51 pm

iamgoofball wrote:
oranges wrote:
Shadowflame909 wrote:
oranges wrote:What if I added a nickname field in prefs that shows up in your character description when you're examined?
Can we add backstories that show up when your character's examined?
https://pastebin.com/hFfYH2st

No

[MENTAL STATUS]:Unstable,Autistic
it could of stopped there honestly

I saw this reply coming but laughed anyways

bobbahbrown · Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:56 pm

PKPenguin321 wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:
oranges wrote:
Shadowflame909 wrote:
oranges wrote:What if I added a nickname field in prefs that shows up in your character description when you're examined?
Can we add backstories that show up when your character's examined?
https://pastebin.com/hFfYH2st

No

[MENTAL STATUS]:Unstable,Autistic
it could of stopped there honestly
I saw this reply coming but laughed anyways

I saw this reply coming but replied anyways

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:01 pm

bobbahbrown wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:
oranges wrote:
Shadowflame909 wrote:
oranges wrote:What if I added a nickname field in prefs that shows up in your character description when you're examined?
Can we add backstories that show up when your character's examined?
https://pastebin.com/hFfYH2st

No

[MENTAL STATUS]:Unstable,Autistic
it could of stopped there honestly
I saw this reply coming but laughed anyways
I saw this reply coming but replied anyways

Same my ni*ga ?

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:05 pm #463524

>examine someone
>client locks up from the amount of text in description

the future of /tg/

Qbmax32 · Post by **Qbmax32** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:10 pm #463525

Truly the darkest timeline

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:39 pm #463530

I was just abused by a trial administrator in game for reporting character names that violated the specific policy set out in here. I'll be filing a complaint when the round is over.

Tell your trial mins to not fucking harass people for asking for clarification on if something is acceptable for your new fucking policy.

Anuv · Post by **Anuv** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:35 pm #463541

Grazyn wrote:>examine someone
>client locks up from the amount of text in description

the future of /tg/

>not min/maxing your powergame and flooding your description to crash all sec trying to see if your gun is real

Qbmax32 · Post by **Qbmax32** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:39 pm #463543

Anuv wrote:
Grazyn wrote:>examine someone
>client locks up from the amount of text in description

the future of /tg/
>not min/maxing your powergame and flooding your description to crash all sec trying to see if your gun is real

The realest answer I’ve seen

confused rock · Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:18 pm

Brb adding muslim quirk that gives you burkha and make pork make sad

Post by **NoxVS** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:21 pm #463551

To what extent does the leniency for wiz and clowns and such extend? Can you have OOC references in your name?

Farquaar · Post by **Farquaar** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:58 pm #463553

confused rock wrote:Brb adding muslim quirk that gives you burkha and make pork make sad

First you’d have to add pork in the game fam

Post by **Arianya** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:58 pm #463554

NoxVS wrote:To what extent does the leniency for wiz and clowns and such extend? Can you have OOC references in your name?

Theres an element of common sense in it for antagonists like the wizards or nuclear operatives. They're exempt from naming policy at large, but if your wizard name is "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" then don't be surprised if an admin renames you to something more normal and breaks your mirror.

OOC references is going to heavily depend on the specific reference and how it's being used. Even antagonists are still subject to OOC in IC and IC in OOC.

iksyp · Post by **iksyp** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:36 pm #463560

how did you even do this

duckay · Post by **duckay** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:59 pm #463608

This doesn't change jackshit about before, because it still lies heavily on the admins definition of 'reasonable', only difference being that admins still have to apply it to Agent ID's, Clowns and Wizards only with more leniency, which will probably differ amongst the admins.

We arent Aurora stop implementing shit to encourage RP in a server that most of the time gets its best memes from the least RP moments.

Vaina · Post by **Vaina** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:29 pm #463619

duckay wrote:This doesn't change jackshit about before, because it still lies heavily on the admins definition of 'reasonable', only difference being that admins still have to apply it to Agent ID's, Clowns and Wizards only with more leniency, which will probably differ amongst the admins.

We arent Aurora stop implementing shit to encourage RP in a server that most of the time gets its best memes from the least RP moments.

Don't bother applying logic to the discourse; it'll get dismissed in a heartbeat.

Ayy Lemoh · Post by **Ayy Lemoh** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:03 pm #463636

iamgoofball wrote:I was just abused by a trial administrator in game for reporting character names that violated the specific policy set out in here. I'll be filing a complaint when the round is over.

Tell your trial mins to not fucking harass people for asking for clarification on if something is acceptable for your new fucking policy.

Yeah, if IAmGoofball has this happen to him and not one of the other possible admemes on the time were like 'bro stop' then we have a big fucking issue.

IAmGoofball is not liked. He reports some people for reasons (probably to test the admin's reaction to said name policy if we're honest). He gets fucked with.

This kinda shows how fucking awful this policy is. If an admin doesn't like you and is unable to get over this or is a coward then he'll fuck with you by just going WEE WOO CHANGE YOUR NAME DUMBASS WEE WOO I AM THE LAW WEE WOO. If an admin doesn't like you and you report names then you'll probably be ignored because you're like fucking dirt to him. edit: this isn't to say coiax dislikes goof since I don't know if he does or not. It just seems like a possible sign of things that could happen.

edit 2:

Spoiler:

personally I think the best part of the admin experience was when someone called for help and i fucked with them. whenever someone else goes "hi it's me john johnson lemme answer your ahelp instead now" then that just makes me annoyed. i always wondered how i was gonna prank the noobs when my dumbass admin friends wouldn't play along.

DrunkenMatey · Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:40 pm

Does make me curious if anyone bring bad/borderline names to the attention of admins should expect similar treatment.

ghostecho · Post by **ghostecho** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:01 am #463735

I still don't see why we don't just do away with naming policy for the most part
I could make a simple one that'd do just fine, watch
1: No historical figure names (e.g., Karl Marx, Adolf Hitler, Julius Caeser, etc)
2: wackiness is allowed, but do not directly reference memes (T'khotalenuch Jellybutter, buy not Dan K. Meme)
3: Only one honorific and nickname allowed per name
Yeah sure its not a refined, perfect policy, but I imagine people would probably be happier overall
Let people have their fun with names, let them do wacky memey shit, sure have some restrictions, but don't try to act like we aren't a low roleplay station when we have greytiders uniting under GAMERS RISE UP, and conspirators whispering under hushed voices "So I've got this good meme for us to do..."

Malkraz · Post by **Malkraz** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:13 am #463745

ghostecho wrote:I still don't see why we don't just do away with naming policy for the most part
I could make a simple one that'd do just fine, watch
1: No historical figure names (e.g., Karl Marx, Adolf Hitler, Julius Caeser, etc)
2: wackiness is allowed, but do not directly reference memes (T'khotalenuch Jellybutter, buy not Dan K. Meme)
3: Only one honorific and nickname allowed per name
Yeah sure its not a refined, perfect policy, but I imagine people would probably be happier overall
Let people have their fun with names, let them do wacky memey shit, sure have some restrictions, but don't try to act like we aren't a low roleplay station when we have greytiders uniting under GAMERS RISE UP, and conspirators whispering under hushed voices "So I've got this good meme for us to do..."

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:49 am #463755

Just name your Wizard character your OOC name, nothing can go wrong.

Being serious, I would be disappointed if we ditched our naming policy for something even more loose. I like to pretend this is a low RP server although many people seem to act we should be a no RP server, and the naming policy is one of the only small silvers of sanity that try and act like we care about immersion to a minor degree.

Personally I've never supported even the memey names that some non-Humans use, I feel true whacky names should be reserved for the Clown, Mime and certain Antagonists like the Wizard.

Farquaar · Post by **Farquaar** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:10 am #463767

Steelpoint wrote:Just name your Wizard character your OOC name, nothing can go wrong.

Being serious, I would be disappointed if we ditched our naming policy for something even more loose. I like to pretend this is a low RP server although many people seem to act we should be a no RP server, and the naming policy is one of the only small silvers of sanity that try and act like we care about immersion to a minor degree.

Personally I've never supported even the memey names that some non-Humans use, I feel true whacky names should be reserved for the Clown, Mime and certain Antagonists like the Wizard.

The metal man speaks the truth

ghostecho · Post by **ghostecho** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:04 am #463797

Steelpoint wrote:Just name your Wizard character your OOC name, nothing can go wrong.

Being serious, I would be disappointed if we ditched our naming policy for something even more loose. I like to pretend this is a low RP server although many people seem to act we should be a no RP server, and the naming policy is one of the only small silvers of sanity that try and act like we care about immersion to a minor degree.

Personally I've never supported even the memey names that some non-Humans use, I feel true whacky names should be reserved for the Clown, Mime and certain Antagonists like the Wizard.

This IS a low rp server, if we were norp then people wouldnt even be trying the mediocum they are already to be in character

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:11 am #463799

Low RP still implies some level of roleplay.

Having a somewhat realistic universe, with real sounding people and places, onboard a seemingly functional and realistic future space station, that then has to deal with the crazy and wacky shit that happens every round is what strikes me as amusing and fun.

Everyone running around with retarded names, antag hunting and acting one step below talking in OOC is not fun, interesting or engaging. At that point you may as well join the Antag Deathmatch server.

ghostecho · Post by **ghostecho** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:39 am #463804

Steelpoint wrote:Low RP still implies some level of roleplay.

Having a somewhat realistic universe, with real sounding people and places, onboard a seemingly functional and realistic future space station, that then has to deal with the crazy and wacky shit that happens every round is what strikes me as amusing and fun.

Everyone running around with retarded names, antag hunting and acting one step below talking in OOC is not fun, interesting or engaging. At that point you may as well join the Antag Deathmatch server.

Yes, if we were norp then we'd see names like NIGGER BLASTER 9000 or Adolf Hitler 2 Electeic Boogaloo
Thats not what most people want from a less restrictive naming policy, we just want the ability to do shit like Janice 'Foxy' Lean or Randolph P. Checkers Esq, or Oldman Robustin(which is allowed now)

I see no good reason why on /tg/, we can't have that and the lrp status we currently have, and have had with those kinds of names allowed previously

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:34 am #463810

Nicknames are something that should be earned not stated in your name, why would an official company profile put someone's nickname in a official document?

Would Alan 'Robuster' Bentway be acceptable? Its the same quality as any other nickname.

Furthemore, titles like esquire are something I'd see in medieval UK not in the 26th century by some Cargo Technician.

Oldman Robustin at least follows the naming conventions as we see.

ghostecho · Post by **ghostecho** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:55 am #463815

Steelpoint wrote:Nicknames are something that should be earned not stated in your name, why would an official company profile put someone's nickname in a official document?

Would Alan 'Robuster' Bentway be acceptable? Its the same quality as any other nickname.

Furthemore, titles like esquire are something I'd see in medieval UK not in the 26th century by some Cargo Technician.

Oldman Robustin at least follows the naming conventions as we see.

Your first point merely means a nickname field should be added that doesn't show up in records
And you clearly dont understand the usage of esquire if you think it would be "medieval UK"
And what kind of first name is Oldman, hm?

At the end of the day, I'm with the people who don't think it matters for the vast majority of players if someone is called Lady Ari, Oldman Robustin, Randolph P. Checkers Esq., Janice 'Foxy' Lean
They're not ruining immersion in a game where we have people shouting Viva just for fun as the tide, casually throwing their life away to suicide bomb a wizard, or charging headfirst against supposedly highly trained, and well armed nuclear operatives when they're merely an assistant or a medical doctor
If you can provide a good reason why all this should be allowed, but those names are a big enough issue as to why they shouldn't be allowed, Id like to hear it.
Like seriously, how does half the crew going to charge a red suited nukie with a desword and assault borg and two other nukies with LM6s, or a wizard with magic missile and fireball not break "immersion" more than someone having esquire in their name?

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:57 am #463819

Nicknames being a separate entity is a code issue, but until that is implemented (if at all) then I still nonetheless profess that Nicknames should stay out of your official name.

Esquire is a British thing, usually for upper class individuals or akin in a professional situation. Which is odd since Nanotrasen seems to take more of an American influence than British influence.

At the end of it however, its not the 'esquire' I have a issue with but the concept of an prefix or suffix in someone's name. Your name should just be FirstName LastName. Now that be Alan Bentway, George Seeman, Muhammad Hashim or whatever, and the names should be somewhat realistic or at least not completely on the nose.

Oldman Robustin is not on the nose, its tame. Chad Thunderock is very on the fucking nose.

Now, people suicidally charging Nuke Ops is not really a issue and is a waste of an argument. If anything I find it interesting when you have a crew of regular people doing outlandish things, which is at the core of SS13. Hearing that John Bradley the Janitor managed to outrobst a Nuke Op is far more amusing than hearing that Jane 'Foxy' Spread Esq did the same thing, and that now half the crew have a snowflake name with shitty titles, suffixes and nicknames that no one is going to use.

Keep it short, keep it simple and keep it sane. If you want a whacky name, play as the Clown.

ghostecho · Post by **ghostecho** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:10 am #463820

Steelpoint wrote:Nicknames being a separate entity is a code issue, but until that is implemented (if at all) then I still nonetheless profess that Nicknames should stay out of your official name.

Esquire is a British thing, usually for upper class individuals or akin in a professional situation. Which is odd since Nanotrasen seems to take more of an American influence than British influence.

At the end of it however, its not the 'esquire' I have a issue with but the concept of an prefix or suffix in someone's name. Your name should just be FirstName LastName. Now that be Alan Bentway, George Seeman, Muhammad Hashim or whatever, and the names should be somewhat realistic or at least not completely on the nose.

Oldman Robustin is not on the nose, its tame. Chad Thunderock is very on the fucking nose.

Now, people suicidally charging Nuke Ops is not really a issue and is a waste of an argument. If anything I find it interesting when you have a crew of regular people doing outlandish things, which is at the core of SS13. Hearing that John Bradley the Janitor managed to outrobst a Nuke Op is far more amusing than hearing that Jane 'Foxy' Spread Esq did the same thing, and that now half the crew have a snowflake name with shitty titles, suffixes and nicknames that no one is going to use.

Keep it short, keep it simple and keep it sane. If you want a whacky name, play as the Clown.

You haven't answered my question
Can you or can you not tell me how the wacky shit the crew does is less "immersion breaking" than a name
And you're right, it isn't an issue because /tg/station isn't an autistic RP focused server like Bay.
So why the fuck do we care about names so much when the actions have way more effect on immersion

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:19 am #463828

This is the third time I'm stating this. I personally believe that a somewhat realistic crew setting, with authentic appearing people, in a authentic environment, suffering through horrible and amusing trials and tribulations involving whacky Wizards, cold Mercenaries and lurking Traitors is a more interesting experience.

Removing our naming policy as it stands and loosening it would, in my opinion, tarnish the game as a whole. As I've stated, I believe we are at minimum a lowRP server, that standard, despite being a low one, does imply some levels of roleplay and my belief is our naming policy is a cornerstone of that.

Floiven · Post by **Floiven** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:32 am #463831

Is there a way to separate the name shown in chat when someone talks and the name shown when you examine someone? By that I mean, "John Doe says: yadda yadda yadda", and when you examine them, you're reading their name off their ID, so "This is John "Hurr durr" Joe". Would make sense for titles and honorifics to be on the ID as well but not when someone's talking, kinda.

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:00 pm #463832

Like seriously, how does half the crew going to charge a red suited nukie with a desword and assault borg and two other nukies with LM6s, or a wizard with magic missile and fireball not break "immersion" more than someone having esquire in their name?

in what way is this immersion breaking wtf

Qbmax32 · Post by **Qbmax32** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:07 pm #463840

Yeah what are you okay steelpoint

somerandomguy · Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:51 pm

NikNakFlak wrote:
Like seriously, how does half the crew going to charge a red suited nukie with a desword and assault borg and two other nukies with LM6s, or a wizard with magic missile and fireball not break "immersion" more than someone having esquire in their name?
in what way is this immersion breaking wtf

Ghostecho is probably secretly an aurora admin

Nilons · Post by **Nilons** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:21 pm #463872

Steelpoint wrote:This is the third time I'm stating this. I personally believe that a somewhat realistic crew setting, with authentic appearing people, in a authentic environment, suffering through horrible and amusing trials and tribulations involving whacky Wizards, cold Mercenaries and lurking Traitors is a more interesting experience.

Removing our naming policy as it stands and loosening it would, in my opinion, tarnish the game as a whole. As I've stated, I believe we are at minimum a lowRP server, that standard, despite being a low one, does imply some levels of roleplay and my belief is our naming policy is a cornerstone of that.

Sounds like you want med rp

duckay · Post by **duckay** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:42 pm #463897

I'm more concerned about the shit nuke ops and traitors will get for naming themselves 'GibX Operative #1' or something similar.
Because y'know, Agent ID's aren't out of the question.

Not-Dorsidarf · Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:27 am

duckay wrote:I'm more concerned about the shit nuke ops and traitors will get for naming themselves 'GibX Operative #1' or something similar.
Because y'know, Agent ID's aren't out of the question.

I guess you’ll have to trust that the future headmins wont admin a literal potato because that’s like saying “I’m afraid the admins will confuse my ckey for my characters name and ban me for it”

wesoda25 · Post by **wesoda25** » Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:36 am #464040

Ghostechoes suggested policy was so ideal I just switched sides.

Also Steelpoint just as long as we don’t allow blatantly stupid or OOC names we will maintain our rp level. Tg is most definitely not no rp, not by any standards. Go visit Hippie for a week and you’ll understand what no rp means.

ghostecho · Post by **ghostecho** » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:42 am #464048

Steelpoint wrote:This is the third time I'm stating this. I personally believe that a somewhat realistic crew setting, with authentic appearing people, in a authentic environment, suffering through horrible and amusing trials and tribulations involving whacky Wizards, cold Mercenaries and lurking Traitors is a more interesting experience.

Removing our naming policy as it stands and loosening it would, in my opinion, tarnish the game as a whole. As I've stated, I believe we are at minimum a lowRP server, that standard, despite being a low one, does imply some levels of roleplay and my belief is our naming policy is a cornerstone of that.

But you haven't explained WHY that would "tarnish" it more than the current way people act and react to situations currently tarnishes it from being a medrp or highrp server

And keep in mind, Im not advocating for either of those two rpstyles, I like the lowrp style of /tg/, I just fail to see how having a looser, but not non existent naming policy would tarnish anything more than players currently do