Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

[WarbossLincoln]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Thread title.

Naming policy is so subjective and so arbitrarily enforced that there doesn't really seem to be a need for it at all.

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=20628

In this thread a dude got ordered to change his cat beast's name from DePantherius X and was told that was a ridiculous name.

Is DePantherius X for a cat any more ridiculous than Cup Cake, Crocodillo, Gayden Homolove, Good Goodman, Tyrone Watermelon, Is-A-Lizard, Lamp Lover, Chad Thundercock, Pushes-And-Shoves, or any of the other degenerates we have running around the station?

[iamgoofball]

Apparently " Discount Lightbulb" is not okay for ethereals even when claiming my OC donut steel was raised by racist humans, discuss

[WarbossLincoln]

Apparently " Discount Lightbulb" is not okay for ethereals even when claiming my OC donut steel was raised by racist humans, discuss

This is a witch hunt

[Steelpoint]

Because some people decide to name their child with moronic names that'll see them the butt of shit jokes, and then claiming that makes it perfectly justifiable that the same dumb names should be valid for ss13, is akin to saying that because you found a image of one Black soldier in the Wehrmacht means half the Nazi army should be composed of Black people.

Ellen Ripley was not called 'Edge Fuckface' and Rick Deckard was not called 'Chad Thundercock'.

There needs to be a higher standard to names than fucking Chad Thundercock or Dick Kickem.

I understand individual admin opinions on names is subjective, but honestly it is not hard to make a name that is believable. With a admin team our size, shitty names will be called out eventually so long as we actually try and hold a standard beyond meme tier.

[BeeSting12]

Apparently " Discount Lightbulb" is not okay for ethereals even when claiming my OC donut steel was raised by racist humans, discuss

It's especially bullshit when you learn that someone has a certificate naming the a star "Discount Lightbulb".

[subject217]

a free certificate for a star that doesn't exist lol

[BeeSting12]

a free certificate for a star that doesn't exist lol

wow what a cheapskate. previous statement retracted, you should be willing to pay for a star if you want to violate our naming policies

[Ayy Lemoh]

I don't give a rat's ass about stupid names unless they're super OOC. I only talked to Lady Ari because I was asked to. That's not how every admin is though. Nobody in their right mind would actually have a problem with Gus Dejeux, this is pure fantasy and fear mongering on your part.

You noted me for using the name "Mann Snotnose" while I was offline--for which I'm now on thin ice.

Subject, Vaina may have been toeing the line however this does not support your case of lmao you guys got nothing to fear. only fearmongers would think someone is gonna punish them for the name Trevor Philips lol.

However I get what you say about the I didn't care about lady aria but the headmins told me to do something about it thing, though. If a headmin tells you to change a name then it is apparently one of the most serious fucking things on the agenda board. I once disagreed with one about someone's name because "but it was justified by a non-headmin that it was fine" and they went from "normal guy I used to know" to sounding like they're threatening me as if I was just told "execute these people or else" with no explanation on why said admin was a dum dum other than intimidating me.

names are serious business. in hindsight, I can see why said name was dumb however what the fuck.

[UltimateGamer21]

Because some people decide to name their child with moronic names that'll see them the butt of shit jokes, and then claiming that makes it perfectly justifiable that the same dumb names should be valid for ss13, is akin to saying that because you found a image of one Black soldier in the Wehrmacht means half the Nazi army should be composed of Black people.

Ellen Ripley was not called 'Edge Fuckface' and Rick Deckard was not called 'Chad Thundercock'.

There needs to be a higher standard to names than fucking Chad Thundercock or Dick Kickem.

I understand individual admin opinions on names is subjective, but honestly it is not hard to make a name that is believable. With a admin team our size, shitty names will be called out eventually so long as we actually try and hold a standard beyond meme tier.

We are discussing a videogame played primarily by children

[Kel]

the loss of oldman robustin as a name under this oppressive rule is quite frankly a shame

[Cobby]

No one cares about Chad Thundercock or Edge McFuckface, everyone knows those are crappy names and they should be changed.

It's Oldman and Lady and similar that are also coming under fire that imo shouldn't.

[BeeSting12]

No one cares about Chad Thundercock or Edge McFuckface, everyone knows those are crappy names and they should be changed.

It's Oldman and Lady and similar that are also coming under fire that imo shouldn't.

Basically this.

There's plenty of people with names that might "technically" violate the policy, but that shouldn't be an argument to just completely do away with naming policy. Some of their names are witty/funny, and I don't see a problem with those names. ie, Mei Ling, Anne Tag... Some of them are simply people playing a character in good faith and the name happens to violate naming policy, but it ties into the person's character. ie, Raised-By-Lizards, Ostrava of Nanotrasen...

None of those names are equivalent to Penis McFuckface and anyone who makes that argument is an idiot. Ideally, it would be a use your common sense type rule for both players and admins, but the enforcement varies so wildly between each admin that it's ridiculous. Players should not have to click adminwho to decide on which character to play.

[obscolene]

Freddy SuperfuckinglongnameIcantactuallyremembersodonttakethisliterally

Those are bold words coming from Higashigadiga Japanigger. Do not disrespect the good name of Freddie Vonbrogiodelababbalacinnidenalarms.

[Grazyn]

I don't see any issue with "of Nanotrasen", it's a legit name that follows the format of noble family names, it's the same as "von Nanotrasen". It's perfectly credible that 500 years from now, brands and corporate names have replaced nobility so there are few people who can trace their lineage to a senior member/founder of the corporation and thus pridefully hold that family name.

[Incomptinence]

I feel like the naming policy is one of the few things keeping /tg/ from becoming a norp server, though it’s fair for people to want consistency. Clarifying the policy shouldn’t make things worse since we already have rules on the books that prohibit rules lawyering anyway.

I feel the naming policy is just a ridiculous bit of denial.

[Screemonster]

inb4 someone makes a catgirl named "kitty von trapp"

I mean it's a perfectly valid name, kitty is a first name and von trapp was the family in the sound of music

[Grazyn]

inb4 someone makes a catgirl named "kitty von trapp"

I mean it's a perfectly valid name, kitty is a first name and von trapp was the family in the sound of music

Better hurry up because catgirls are almost extinct

[tinodrima7020]

Reminder that Lady is an actual female name

[Qbmax32]

Reminder that Lady is an actual female name

[Lazengann]

for a dog

[WarbossLincoln]

Players should not have to click adminwho to decide on which character to play.

This is the heart of the issue. Every policy is going to vary between admins but this one fluctuates wildly. Because it's an admin decision you'd have to drag a headmin into overruling them. We don't really have these issues with other policies like escalation and silicon policy, not to this extent at least. Each admin will have their own view but there's precedent, guidelines, and accountability there. When an admin rules poorly on escalation bans consistently they're going to get corrected by other admins and the headmins. Mostly because stuff like escalation policy is far more important than names, it's going to garner a lot more attention by other admins than a name decision. This allows 1 butthurt admin to name ban someone and most other admins have more important things to do than to weigh in on this. When they're name changing PenisFace or other obvious issues it's cool. But when 1 random dude decides to tell a veteran player that after years 'Lady' is no longer acceptable because of Muh Mershuns there's little chance of pulling getting that overruled.

[delaron]

for a dog

So as long as Lady Ari acts like a bitch we good?

Anyway whats the process or path to resolution on this? We keep talking in circles and the actual decision makers should provide a path for how this will be settled or handled.

I honestly could care less on how they land on this as long as they make a ruling and stick to it.

[Vaina]

God forbid a slightly off-colour name break the immersion of our beloved game. The same game that, on a regular basis, showcases a wealth of lore-faithful and totally immersive content, including but not limited to: tactical operatives dressed as clowns; armless spurdos from 4chan (a literal meme); an asteroid of savage sentient doodles; skeletal swashbuckling space pirates; wizards that launch trapping lockers from a locker-shaped staff; wizards that pool every point into fireball so they can realize a one-off joke; wizards in general; nuclear drinks allowing you to blitz at mach 4; most of Lavaland; plants that produce killer tomatoes from the movie Attack of the Killer Tomatoes; xenomorphs in a maid costume; catgirls.

No. Let's focus on Ostrava of Nanotrasen. That's the real threat to our collective experience, you guys! This is a ROLEPLAYING GAME! Everyone five centuries from now must abide by our arbitrary post-modern standards of nomenclature.



Don't mind everything else I just mentioned, though.

[WarbossLincoln]

The issue isn't that "we're" focusing on one name like Ostrava or Lady. The majority of the admin team isn't focusing on harmless names like Lady Ari. The issue is that one admin can decide offhand 'nope fuck you, change it now' and that would be the end of it if people hadn't started calling BS on that like we're doing here.

And another problem is the obvious way to fix this is to set up a name denial appeals process which is also terrible and autistic. We don't need a name appeal board, and a name whitelist that admins would have to check before giving someone's name shit. That's even worse than what we have now.

[Lazengann]

for a dog

Anyway whats the process or path to resolution on this?

We wait for the goat sacrifice on the blood moon for the headmins to convene, then they'll resolve it

[delaron]

for a dog

Anyway whats the process or path to resolution on this?

We wait for the goat sacrifice on the blood moon for the headmins to convene, then they'll resolve it

Can we settle for goat milk turning to cheese on a blue moon?

[Higashikata Josuke]

This thread devolved into unfunny shitposting real quick, huh?

[iksyp]

This thread devolved into unfunny shitposting real quick, huh?

imagine a thread about a stupid policy becoming stupid

[Higashikata Josuke]

imagine a thread about a stupid policy becoming stupid

No you're totally right, but it's a bit annoying that any thread or statement made on naming policy being retarded is shot down with "take it to the policy thread" when almost everyone here agrees with eachother and it's devolved into shitposting with no progress being made.

[Vaina]

Remove the admins' ability to singly enforce it at "their discretion" (i.e their personal opinion), or remove it once and for all. This is ridiculous.

No player should be made to feel like shit for having a silly name in the same environment where Baldy McGreyshirt breaking and stealing the chem dispenser is ruled an IC issue. Anyone endorsing this retarded policy in its current state and the reinforcement thereof has no perspective.

Someone having an eccentric name doesn't affect you at all, but banning for it sure affects them. If you can provide a good counterargument to this, I'll be impressed.

The majority wants it gone. Plain and simple.

[DrunkenMatey]

I don't mind a bare bones "Don't use ridiculous obvious troll names full of swears n shit" but at the same time, 99% of lizards have stupid names so if that is ok then maybe just throwing the policy out entirely is for the best?

[Qbmax32]

Remove the admins' ability to singly enforce it at "their discretion" (i.e their personal opinion), or remove it once and for all. This is ridiculous.

No player should be made to feel like shit for having a silly name in the same environment where Baldy McGreyshirt breaking and stealing the chem dispenser is ruled an IC issue. Anyone endorsing this retarded policy in its current state and the reinforcement thereof has no perspective.

Someone having an eccentric name doesn't affect you at all, but banning for it sure affects them. If you can provide a good counterargument to this, I'll be impressed.

The majority wants it gone. Plain and simple.

+1

[ghostecho]

Yeah, I don't think I've seen a single voice of support for this policy besides a small handful of people. The majority of players seem to want this done away with and back to how it was enforced previously.

[obscolene]

imagine a thread about a stupid policy becoming stupid

statement made on naming policy being retarded is shot down

ad hominem is not an argument.

[Higashikata Josuke]

ad hominem is not an argument.

That message wasn't literal you fucking brainlet, I'm not going to repeat every argument in this thread just to make my post more complete. That's not even what ad hominem means you fucking cumslut.

[Malkraz]

Am I the only one that thinks "Lady Ari" is not allowed because it's close to "Arianya"?

[Grazyn]

This thread will be shut down with the usual "there's no need to change the policy, we only ban those with obviously stupid names like xXxASSNIGGER99xXx" and then it will resurface when Doc Mitchell is banned because "TITLES AND HONORIFICS ARE NOT ALLOWED. YOU'RE BREAKING THE RULES"

[Nilons]

This thread will be shut down with the usual "there's no need to change the policy, we only ban those with obviously stupid names like xXxASSNIGGER99xXx" and then it will resurface when Doc Mitchell is banned because "TITLES AND HONORIFICS ARE NOT ALLOWED. YOU'RE BREAKING THE RULES"

[Lazengann]

Titles make the security and medical records unrealistic you buffoons

[somerandomguy]

This thread will be shut down with the usual "there's no need to change the policy, we only ban those with obviously stupid names like xXxASSNIGGER99xXx" and then it will resurface when Doc Mitchell is banned because "TITLES AND HONORIFICS ARE NOT ALLOWED. YOU'RE BREAKING THE RULES"

[Nilons]

Am I the only one that thinks "Lady Ari" is not allowed because it's close to "Arianya"?

Considering Arianya was the one who told subject to ban them its almost certain

why else would they need someone else to make their ban

[Qbmax32]

Titles make the security and medical records unrealistic you buffoons

>implying anyone uses security or medical records

>implying that your precious immersion is shattered because someone has Doc or Lady as a first name


how much of a sad human being do you have to be to have LESS fun playing this online spaceship videogame about clowns in space because someone decided to name themselves Doc Mitchell or Lady Ari.

[Grazyn]

how much of a sad human being do you have to be to have LESS fun playing this online spaceship videogame about clowns in space because someone decided to name themselves Doc Mitchell or Lady Ari.

Fun has nothing to do with it. I said it elsewhere, I actually don't mind naming policy in its current state because it works as a release valve for stressed admins. Vague policies like this one (or the OOC in IC one) allows them to vent their frustration in a relatively safe way.

[Qbmax32]

how much of a sad human being do you have to be to have LESS fun playing this online spaceship videogame about clowns in space because someone decided to name themselves Doc Mitchell or Lady Ari.

Fun has nothing to do with it. I said it elsewhere, I actually don't mind naming policy in its current state because it works as a release valve for stressed admins. Vague policies like this one (or the OOC in IC one) allows them to vent their frustration in a relatively safe way.

if admins need to ban people for vague policies to "vent their frustration" then they shouldnt be admins tbh

[Grazyn]

how much of a sad human being do you have to be to have LESS fun playing this online spaceship videogame about clowns in space because someone decided to name themselves Doc Mitchell or Lady Ari.

Fun has nothing to do with it. I said it elsewhere, I actually don't mind naming policy in its current state because it works as a release valve for stressed admins. Vague policies like this one (or the OOC in IC one) allows them to vent their frustration in a relatively safe way.

if admins need to ban people for vague policies to "vent their frustration" then they shouldnt be admins tbh

You spend the entire day dealing with shitters, rule-lawyers, toeliners and various edgelords you can't ban because they always stop one inch before breaking a rule, sure you could rule-0 ban them but then you'll have to deal with all the circus that comes with it: endless appeal threads filled with 5000-word essays, maybe even an admin complaint, and what if a headmin takes their side and overrides your decision? You could lose everything.

Enter Lady Aria. Your heart skips a beat. This is the moment you've been waiting for. This is a clear-cut violation of a rule, it's a minor thing, unlikely to cause fallout, most people will laugh about it on the forums if it's appealed, it's perfect. You lean down on your keyboard and start typing: "I'm sorry but your name violates naming policy, specifically the part about honorifics...." You finish and hit send. All is right with the world.

[iksyp]

how much of a sad human being do you have to be to have LESS fun playing this online spaceship videogame about clowns in space because someone decided to name themselves Doc Mitchell or Lady Ari.

Fun has nothing to do with it. I said it elsewhere, I actually don't mind naming policy in its current state because it works as a release valve for stressed admins. Vague policies like this one (or the OOC in IC one) allows them to vent their frustration in a relatively safe way.

if admins need to ban people for vague policies to "vent their frustration" then they shouldnt be admins tbh

You spend the entire day dealing with shitters, rule-lawyers, toeliners and various edgelords you can't ban because they always stop one inch before breaking a rule, sure you could rule-0 ban them but then you'll have to deal with all the circus that comes with it: endless appeal threads filled with 5000-word essays, maybe even an admin complaint, and what if a headmin takes their side and overrides your decision? You could lose everything.

Enter Lady Aria. Your heart skips a beat. This is the moment you've been waiting for. This is a clear-cut violation of a rule, it's a minor thing, unlikely to cause fallout, most people will laugh about it on the forums if it's appealed, it's perfect. You lean down on your keyboard and start typing: "I'm sorry but your name violates naming policy, specifically the part about honorifics...." You finish and hit send. All is right with the world.

if you're frustrated with adminning just log off lmao

[Lazengann]

Titles make the security and medical records unrealistic you buffoons

>implying anyone uses security or medical records

>implying that your precious immersion is shattered because someone has Doc or Lady as a first name


how much of a sad human being do you have to be to have LESS fun playing this online spaceship videogame about clowns in space because someone decided to name themselves Doc Mitchell or Lady Ari.

t. Di

[Qbmax32]

die retard

[Vaina]

how much of a sad human being do you have to be to have LESS fun playing this online spaceship videogame about clowns in space because someone decided to name themselves Doc Mitchell or Lady Ari.

Fun has nothing to do with it. I said it elsewhere, I actually don't mind naming policy in its current state because it works as a release valve for stressed admins. Vague policies like this one (or the OOC in IC one) allows them to vent their frustration in a relatively safe way.

if admins need to ban people for vague policies to "vent their frustration" then they shouldnt be admins tbh

You spend the entire day dealing with shitters, rule-lawyers, toeliners and various edgelords you can't ban because they always stop one inch before breaking a rule, sure you could rule-0 ban them but then you'll have to deal with all the circus that comes with it: endless appeal threads filled with 5000-word essays, maybe even an admin complaint, and what if a headmin takes their side and overrides your decision? You could lose everything.

Enter Lady Aria. Your heart skips a beat. This is the moment you've been waiting for. This is a clear-cut violation of a rule, it's a minor thing, unlikely to cause fallout, most people will laugh about it on the forums if it's appealed, it's perfect. You lean down on your keyboard and start typing: "I'm sorry but your name violates naming policy, specifically the part about honorifics...." You finish and hit send. All is right with the world.

Everyone can tell you're trying to curry favor with the staff by sucking major admin cock right now, and let me tell you: no one is buying it--not even the admins you think will be your friends for this.

Please stop making yourself look retarded. For your sake and ours. Thanks.

[somerandomguy]

how much of a sad human being do you have to be to have LESS fun playing this online spaceship videogame about clowns in space because someone decided to name themselves Doc Mitchell or Lady Ari.

Fun has nothing to do with it. I said it elsewhere, I actually don't mind naming policy in its current state because it works as a release valve for stressed admins. Vague policies like this one (or the OOC in IC one) allows them to vent their frustration in a relatively safe way.

if admins need to ban people for vague policies to "vent their frustration" then they shouldnt be admins tbh

You spend the entire day dealing with shitters, rule-lawyers, toeliners and various edgelords you can't ban because they always stop one inch before breaking a rule, sure you could rule-0 ban them but then you'll have to deal with all the circus that comes with it: endless appeal threads filled with 5000-word essays, maybe even an admin complaint, and what if a headmin takes their side and overrides your decision? You could lose everything.

Enter Lady Aria. Your heart skips a beat. This is the moment you've been waiting for. This is a clear-cut violation of a rule, it's a minor thing, unlikely to cause fallout, most people will laugh about it on the forums if it's appealed, it's perfect. You lean down on your keyboard and start typing: "I'm sorry but your name violates naming policy, specifically the part about honorifics...." You finish and hit send. All is right with the world.

Everyone can tell you're trying to curry favor with the staff by sucking major admin cock right now, and let me tell you: no one is buying it--not even the admins you think will be your friends for this.

Please stop making yourself look retarded. For your sake and ours. Thanks.

he's either strawmanning or actually retarded

[Screemonster]

how much of a sad human being do you have to be to have LESS fun playing this online spaceship videogame about clowns in space because someone decided to name themselves Doc Mitchell or Lady Ari.

Fun has nothing to do with it. I said it elsewhere, I actually don't mind naming policy in its current state because it works as a release valve for stressed admins. Vague policies like this one (or the OOC in IC one) allows them to vent their frustration in a relatively safe way.

if admins need to ban people for vague policies to "vent their frustration" then they shouldnt be admins tbh

You spend the entire day dealing with shitters, rule-lawyers, toeliners and various edgelords you can't ban because they always stop one inch before breaking a rule, sure you could rule-0 ban them but then you'll have to deal with all the circus that comes with it: endless appeal threads filled with 5000-word essays, maybe even an admin complaint, and what if a headmin takes their side and overrides your decision? You could lose everything.

Enter Lady Aria. Your heart skips a beat. This is the moment you've been waiting for. This is a clear-cut violation of a rule, it's a minor thing, unlikely to cause fallout, most people will laugh about it on the forums if it's appealed, it's perfect. You lean down on your keyboard and start typing: "I'm sorry but your name violates naming policy, specifically the part about honorifics...." You finish and hit send. All is right with the world.

Everyone can tell you're trying to curry favor with the staff by sucking major admin cock right now, and let me tell you: no one is buying it--not even the admins you think will be your friends for this.

Please stop making yourself look retarded. For your sake and ours. Thanks.

he's either strawmanning or actually retarded

those aren't mutually exclusive options

[ghostecho]

Have you considered that they're just trolling?