Results of the felinid vote

[oranges]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Also why was there not a option to null vote remaining options? A none of the above/remaining if you will. Then mark the winning vote as requiring a percentage of valid votes. Normal bar is 50%

THe whole point of the poll is to be decisive, the null vote (or the vote for the status quo) was to vote for no removal, that's explictly the null vote, the rest are expressions of what kind of change from the status quo you might want to see.

Adding extra null vote options beyond that point both defeats the point of having a decisive poll and makes the voting result unclear for absolutely no benefit.

[oranges]

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You cannot just remove the bribery options from the poll and in doing so erase their impact on it. See the conversation chain just a few posts above you.
Also, whether or not the bribery options affected the poll (they did) is irrelevant to the fact that they are bribery, you knew they were bribery, and you tried to sweeten the bribery by making it as clear as possible that etherals would *only* get a guaranteed merge if felinids lost the poll.

This is very desperate and reaching now, you're suggesting that the impact of the two unrelated vote options will change the preferred order someone would rank the remaining options, it might be a an open psychological question, but I doubt the change would rise above the polling noise.

Stop embarrassing yourself

[afelinidisfinetoo]

Also why was there not a option to null vote remaining options? A none of the above/remaining if you will. Then mark the winning vote as requiring a percentage of valid votes. Normal bar is 50%

THe whole point of the poll is to be decisive, the null vote (or the vote for the status quo) was to vote for no removal, that's explictly the null vote,

This is not what a null vote is

[UltimateGamer21]

Also why was there not a option to null vote remaining options? A none of the above/remaining if you will. Then mark the winning vote as requiring a percentage of valid votes. Normal bar is 50%

THe whole point of the poll is to be decisive, the null vote (or the vote for the status quo) was to vote for no removal, that's explictly the null vote, the rest are expressions of what kind of change from the status quo you might want to see.

Adding extra null vote options beyond that point both defeats the point of having a decisive poll and makes the voting result unclear for absolutely no benefit.

I'm not convinced.

Can you re-do the filtering but this time add like five or seven more possible options

[UltimateGamer21]

It doesn't really matter what they are

[afelinidisfinetoo]

I doubt the change would rise above the polling noise.

Thanks, but I don't trust your doubts when you have made it super, super clear that you are biased and wanted felinids to lose.

[oranges]

Also why was there not a option to null vote remaining options? A none of the above/remaining if you will. Then mark the winning vote as requiring a percentage of valid votes. Normal bar is 50%

THe whole point of the poll is to be decisive, the null vote (or the vote for the status quo) was to vote for no removal, that's explictly the null vote,

This is not what a null vote is

If you did not care about this vote at all, you should vote for the option that keeps the status quo, that's why there is no (I don't care) option on this poll, because it is supposed to be a decisive poll that gives us an outcome, not just an indication that the majority of people don't care (which would simply leave the result up to us to decide).

[delaron]

It's not even biased, people are just looking for any angle to try to change the outcome, it's getting very silly now because every single thing raised has been comprehensively proven incorrect, wrong or just outright misleading.

Hey now lets put a deep freeze on the attacks and assumptions. If you want to go into personal motivations; I personally don't play the cat race and I honest have only the slightest inclination to keep them. While it doesn't affect me keeping them in leads to others being happy. Looking at the opposite of making people happy they are taken away offer less overall to the community as the option to not play a cat race is there for them.

For me its similar to saying I don't like the color orange and thus we need to remove the sprites with orange in them. Ive asked for a code based reason why they are specifically being targeted for removal and in general have been ignored.

The items I bring up regarding the poll's faults themselves are more for educational purposes. The poll, regardless of who approved or reviewed it, are in my observation and opinion fundamentally flawed from a mathematical and psychological point of view for the reasons I previously stated.

[iamgoofball]

Also why was there not a option to null vote remaining options? A none of the above/remaining if you will. Then mark the winning vote as requiring a percentage of valid votes. Normal bar is 50%

THe whole point of the poll is to be decisive, the null vote (or the vote for the status quo) was to vote for no removal, that's explictly the null vote,

This is not what a null vote is

You had a null vote button, it is called "don't hit the vote button"

[oranges]

whatever dude, I've spent enough time humouring the alt and their 2 month play time and frankly at this point it's just sour grapes.

[delaron]

whatever dude, I've spent enough time humouring the alt and their 2 month play time and frankly at this point it's just sour grapes.

Don't forget ignoring the non alt and slinging personal attack and guesses to motivation. Is it difficult to have a civil discussion and back and forth about the merit of the poll and motivations behind it?

It was troubling to see you put the data in motion that if you remove the double barrel question it would lead to x result. That is not how it works, its not how any of this works. That isnt the setup at the time of the vote and filtering it out makes the data even more suspect.

I acknowledge your point about the decision to exclude a null option. Was this also your opinion for not including null option after picking your primary choices? Normally this allows for easier extrapolation of exactly what you were trying to do. Null options make it much clearer where the voting base generally is leaning to. This helps parse an IRV with additional benchamarks of agreement.

Again while I prefer the cat race stay in as its content is enjoyed/accepted by at minimum 203 active players, the inclusion of double barrel options and not including a null after option seems less genuine and more of a going through the motions exercise. Which doesn't make much sense to me. The compromise solution works but likely would not have been needed if the poll was structured in a more neutral fashion. This again being my opinion based on experience and general observation.

I also acknowledge this was potentially all a long game troll/meme on your part. If that is a source of enjoyment for you then /shrug carry on.

[oranges]

There's nothing more to respond to, every point raised does not match the data available and you keep raising the same issues like they're meaningful when they're not, removing both of the so called bribery options and redistributing people's votes in the order that they ranked everything still results in the outcome of removal, and would still lead to this compromise. You're literally suggesting that the very existence of those options would changes peoples preferences on the remaining options and they would rank them differently just because of the first two options. It just doesn't make sense as an argument of value.

You can talk about motivations and schemes all you fucking want but this was a 100% fairly done exercise and the outcome is just one you don't like.

The only person going through the motions here is you and afelinid who seems frankly pretty delusional.

[oranges]

Like I honestly don't even know why I bothered humouring people with this vote at all if people are just going to accuse me of bias for even raising a question and then seeing what the outcome is.

Don't worry though I've learned my lesson, next time I'll just decide by myself and merge whatever the change is, then you can call me biased and actually have a fucking point instead of just projecting your own insecurities on to me.

[delaron]

Explain how every point raised does not match the available data please. The bar to match my points are the inclusion of double barrel options and lack of a bull beyond this point option.

I'm not looking to change anything except future IRV polls and for you to acknowledge that it's not a question of fairness but tilted math. I am not saying you had any motive but rather asked what your motivation was. I made a statement that suggested it might be a mem or troll motivation but do not consider it a fact due to lack of confirmation though there is plenty of supporting evidence.

Also could you clear up if you are intending to say I'm delusional as well? The last comment made it seem as such. Which would be a shame seeing as I have made no dispersion to your character.

[oranges]

Yes you are delusional.

[afelinidisfinetoo]

Like I honestly don't even know why I bothered humouring people with this vote at all if people are just going to accuse me of bias for even raising a question and then seeing what the outcome is.

Don't worry though I've learned my lesson, next time I'll just decide by myself and merge whatever the change is, then you can call me biased and actually have a fucking point instead of just projecting your own insecurities on to me.

Oranges, you included two "Remove felinids and I add <x> popular new PR" options in a poll about whether or not felinids belong in the game, then you went out of your way to let everyone know that you would not be doing a guaranteed merge of those features unless felinids lost the poll. Why are you outraged that people are calling you biased? You are biased. A non-biased person would not have done these actions. In fact, a non-biased person would have left the issue alone after felinids won the previous two (three?) unbiased "Do felinids belong? Yes/No" polls.

[Shadowflame909]

Like I honestly don't even know why I bothered humouring people with this vote at all if people are just going to accuse me of bias for even raising a question and then seeing what the outcome is.

Don't worry though I've learned my lesson, next time I'll just decide by myself and merge whatever the change is, then you can call me biased and actually have a fucking point instead of just projecting your own insecurities on to me.

Oranges, you included two "Remove felinids and I add <x> popular new PR" options in a poll about whether or not felinids belong in the game, then you went out of your way to let everyone know that you would not be doing a guaranteed merge of those features unless felinids lost the poll. Why are you outraged that people are calling you biased? You are biased. A non-biased person would not have done these actions. In fact, a non-biased person would have left the issue alone after felinids won the previous two (three?) unbiased "Do felinids belong? Yes/No" polls.

Oranges has much more strength and willpower then I do. Because after getting asked the same question 1000 times. I'd just start ignoring the person who kept asking it

[oranges]

Like I honestly don't even know why I bothered humouring people with this vote at all if people are just going to accuse me of bias for even raising a question and then seeing what the outcome is.

Don't worry though I've learned my lesson, next time I'll just decide by myself and merge whatever the change is, then you can call me biased and actually have a fucking point instead of just projecting your own insecurities on to me.

Oranges, you included two "Remove felinids and I add <x> popular new PR" options in a poll about whether or not felinids belong in the game, then you went out of your way to let everyone know that you would not be doing a guaranteed merge of those features unless felinids lost the poll. Why are you outraged that people are calling you biased? You are biased. A non-biased person would not have done these actions. In fact, a non-biased person would have left the issue alone after felinids won the previous two (three?) unbiased "Do felinids belong? Yes/No" polls.

How is that biased, nothing in the game has a guaranteed merge, there's no guarantee that etherals would have made it in unless the outcome of the poll was that people wanted that.

They happened to be the nearest concrete example of another roundstart race that could potentially be merged. along with IPC's.

You were the only person lying and misrepresenting the facts of that situation by claiming etherals would be merged either way.

however the real flaw in your comments is that the last two polls were 12 months ago, in a game where we elect people who can completely change the face of the game every six months, if you actually cared about this as a point you would start by complaining about how short the headmin term is. But you don't, because this is just another thing you're desperately tossing against the wall in the hope that any of it somehow sticks and changes our minds.

[Qustinnus]

Like I honestly don't even know why I bothered humouring people with this vote at all if people are just going to accuse me of bias for even raising a question and then seeing what the outcome is.

Don't worry though I've learned my lesson, next time I'll just decide by myself and merge whatever the change is, then you can call me biased and actually have a fucking point instead of just projecting your own insecurities on to me.

Oranges, you included two "Remove felinids and I add <x> popular new PR" options in a poll about whether or not felinids belong in the game, then you went out of your way to let everyone know that you would not be doing a guaranteed merge of those features unless felinids lost the poll. Why are you outraged that people are calling you biased? You are biased. A non-biased person would not have done these actions. In fact, a non-biased person would have left the issue alone after felinids won the previous two (three?) unbiased "Do felinids belong? Yes/No" polls.

you have a stick so far up your ass that it sticks out of your mouth whenever you talk

[delaron]

Yes you are

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[afelinidisfinetoo]

How is that biased, nothing in the game has a guaranteed merge, there's no guarantee that etherals would have made it in unless the outcome of the poll was that people wanted that.

You know exactly how it's biased. You exercised your power as headcoder to influence the poll. There was absolutely no legitimate reason why etherals' implementation would be contingent on felinids being removed. The two features have no conflict and the roundstart race list is still tiny and filled with races that are less popular than felinids. You arranged things this way as a deliberate attempt at swaying the vote.

[Shadowflame909]

How is that biased, nothing in the game has a guaranteed merge, there's no guarantee that etherals would have made it in unless the outcome of the poll was that people wanted that.

You know exactly how it's biased. You exercised your power as headcoder to influence the poll. There was absolutely no legitimate reason why etherals' implementation would be contingent on felinids being removed. The two features have no conflict and the roundstart race list is still tiny and filled with races that are less popular than felinids. You arranged things this way as a deliberate attempt at swaying the vote.

If oranges really had this much power you big old baiter from another server. Why wouldn't they exercise there supreme stealthy indirect control abilities to silence you

[delaron]

How is that biased, nothing in the game has a guaranteed merge, there's no guarantee that etherals would have made it in unless the outcome of the poll was that people wanted that.

You know exactly how it's biased. You exercised your power as headcoder to influence the poll. There was absolutely no legitimate reason why etherals' implementation would be contingent on felinids being removed. The two features have no conflict and the roundstart race list is still tiny and filled with races that are less popular than felinids. You arranged things this way as a deliberate attempt at swaying the vote.

Breathe... if that was the case pretty sure the headadmins are smart enough and care enough to stop that before we ever saw it. This all seems like more of a over bureaucratic appeasement. The point was to say this didnt really give great data and was somewhat needlessly convoluted. However it is an opinion theater. Really if there is a actual removal pr down the road then submit a introduction pr if it bothers you. Right now its only a config change. I'm off my train so bowing out.

[Supermichael777]

One potential future I can see is future head admins reverting the change and allowing Catpeople back as a round start race, as there is no assurance in the agreement noted that puts a timer on that.

Democracy is not a rachet, one of the core protections is the ability to undo the actions of your predecessors. I could see a candidate winning with this as a stump issue.

[iamgoofball]

There's nothing more to respond to, every point raised does not match the data available and you keep raising the same issues like they're meaningful when they're not, removing both of the so called bribery options and redistributing people's votes in the order that they ranked everything still results in the outcome of removal, and would still lead to this compromise. You're literally suggesting that the very existence of those options would changes peoples preferences on the remaining options and they would rank them differently just because of the first two options. It just doesn't make sense as an argument of value.

You can talk about motivations and schemes all you fucking want but this was a 100% fairly done exercise and the outcome is just one you don't like.

The only person going through the motions here is you and afelinid who seems frankly pretty delusional.

The alt's tactics are straight out of the alt-right playbook. Never play defense, oranges.

[iamgoofball]

How is that biased, nothing in the game has a guaranteed merge, there's no guarantee that etherals would have made it in unless the outcome of the poll was that people wanted that.

You know exactly how it's biased. You exercised your power as headcoder to influence the poll. There was absolutely no legitimate reason why etherals' implementation would be contingent on felinids being removed. The two features have no conflict and the roundstart race list is still tiny and filled with races that are less popular than felinids. You arranged things this way as a deliberate attempt at swaying the vote.

[Screemonster]

surely this is a better image to illustrate that

[Zarniwoop]

And why did we give hippie players almost a full month to rack up the 60 minute play time to pass the filter?

[Steelpoint]

I thought it was mentioned that the vote was filtered in a way so that would not happen.

[iamgoofball]

And why did we give hippie players almost a full month to rack up the 60 minute play time to pass the filter?

mso literally filtered it out don't be stupid

[obscolene]

straight out of the alt-right playbook

i wish goof would become a furry so he could make the other side look fucking retarded

And why did we give hippie players almost a full month to rack up the 60 minute play time to pass the filter?

nvm they already have this guy

[CitrusGender]

is this like the 4th fucking thread we've had on this

[iksyp]

felinid man, defender of justice, catgirls, and all that is holy might have worse alzheimers than goof

[somerandomguy]

felinid man, defender of justice, catgirls, and all that is holy might have worse alzheimers than goof

Yeah, he should just go to citadel if cats are the only reason he plays ss13

[iamgoofball]

straight out of the alt-right playbook

i wish goof would become a furry so he could make the other side look fucking retarded

And why did we give hippie players almost a full month to rack up the 60 minute play time to pass the filter?

nvm they already have this guy

Are you going to keep pretending these aren't alt-right tactics getting used elsewhere?

[delaron]

wait... Damnit goofball now I'm confussed! The alt-right pro felinid? I would have bet money the alt-right was anti felinid.

[Doctor Pork]

What a time to be alive.

[Dax Dupont]

Cat person tokens.

This is a good compromise and I'm happy with it. Good to see the extremists on both sides crying really.

[CreationPro]

i never had any interest in playing a catgirl but now i do what have you done

[bman]

you guys are making so many threads so fast that im not even able to get to shitpost in all of them

[BeeSting12]

i thought i posted this already but goof and felinid are doing an excellent job of making both sides look awful.

[somerandomguy]

i thought i posted this already but goof and felinid are doing an excellent job of making both sides look awful.

You did it was in the "vote manipulation" thread

[BeeSting12]

yeah i keep getting the threads mixed up, we should just make one megathread for it and move it to the hut.

[obscolene]

straight out of the alt-right playbook

i wish goof would become a furry so he could make the other side look fucking retarded

And why did we give hippie players almost a full month to rack up the 60 minute play time to pass the filter?

nvm they already have this guy

Are you going to keep pretending these aren't alt-right tactics getting used elsewhere?

you're a fucking retard

[iamgoofball]

straight out of the alt-right playbook

i wish goof would become a furry so he could make the other side look fucking retarded

And why did we give hippie players almost a full month to rack up the 60 minute play time to pass the filter?

nvm they already have this guy

Are you going to keep pretending these aren't alt-right tactics getting used elsewhere?

you're a fucking retard

You also catfished people.

[Shezza]

straight out of the alt-right playbook

i wish goof would become a furry so he could make the other side look fucking retarded

And why did we give hippie players almost a full month to rack up the 60 minute play time to pass the filter?

nvm they already have this guy

Are you going to keep pretending these aren't alt-right tactics getting used elsewhere?

you're a fucking retard

You also catfished people.

You're so retarded you actively drive people away from the community

[Ayy Lemoh]

felinid man, defender of justice, catgirls, and all that is holy might have worse alzheimers than goof

Yeah, he should just go to citadel if cats are the only reason he plays ss13

let's compare

catpeople on tg have to deal with humans, lizards, plasmapeople, flypeople, and any other races which are generally normal.

catpeople on citadel have to deal with humans, lizards, plasmapeople, flypeople, and unholy abominations of hell

like who the fuck wishes they were a cow-human-dragon person unironically?

[obscolene]

straight out of the alt-right playbook

i wish goof would become a furry so he could make the other side look fucking retarded

And why did we give hippie players almost a full month to rack up the 60 minute play time to pass the filter?

nvm they already have this guy

Are you going to keep pretending these aren't alt-right tactics getting used elsewhere?

you're a fucking retard

You also catfished people.

lmao wtf does this even mean? your alt-right tactics don't work on me sweatie

[CreationPro]

goddamn nazi goofball at it again

[Ayy Lemoh]

goddamn nazi goofball at it again

goofball is the left.
shezza is the right.
oranges is the center.

but where's the russian hackers?

[CreationPro]

goddamn nazi goofball at it again

goofball is the left.
shezza is the right.
oranges is the center.

but where's the russian hackers?

yours truly