Regarding felinids/catpeople

obscolene · Post by **obscolene** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:18 pm #447978

Bottom post of the previous page:

Yakumo_Chen wrote:I think the most disgusting thing here

implying anyone cares about your shitty pathos arguments

Yakumo_Chen wrote:The most disgusting thing here is Oranges.

it's oranges

Yakumo_Chen wrote:I think it speaks volumes how Oranges has completely subverted the power structure on tg. He has essentially declared in this thread that the only thing he answers to is MSO.

you can use your subversion buzzword all you want but it doesn't change the fact that the headmins have 0 authority over the codebase.

Yakumo_Chen wrote:As I believe Kevin has pointed out, the only people who ever unironcally use the phrase "separation of code and server" are the people with control over both.

somerandomguy · Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:33 pm

I think it speaks volumes how Oranges has completely subverted the power structure on tg. He has essentially declared in this thread that the only thing he answers to is MSO.

He's headcoder, of course he only answers to MSO about anything code-related.

A complete disregard for the system that we have that appoints leaders for the community, player input for the server, or even people appointed by MSO himself (or by proxy) headmin elections.

Why would he run it if he disregarded it?

Oranges has declared that because he controls the code, he controls the servers. And that's frankly distressing.

When did he say that?

iksyp · Post by **iksyp** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:35 pm #447983

i think yakumo's post might actually be worse than mine

obscolene · Post by **obscolene** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:41 pm #447986

somerandomguy wrote:
A complete disregard for the system that we have that appoints leaders for the community, player input for the server, or even people appointed by MSO himself (or by proxy) headmin elections.

Why would he run it if he disregarded it?

<( orange man bad )

bman · Post by **bman** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:30 pm #448007

I think the most disgusting thing here this batch of drama has brought about is not the stupid arguments against catgirls, the weakening arguments for keeping them, not the complete sham of a poll or the completely manufactured drama to throw as much dirt as the issue as the shitty players against it can manage.

The most disgusting thing here is Oranges.

I think it speaks volumes how Oranges has completely subverted the power structure on tg. He has essentially declared in this thread that the only thing he answers to is MSO. A complete disregard for the system that we have that appoints leaders for the community, player input for the server, or even people appointed by MSO himself (or by proxy). Oranges has declared that because he controls the code, he controls the servers. And that's frankly distressing.

As I believe Kevin has pointed out, the only people who ever unironcally use the phrase "separation of code and server" are the people with control over both.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:45 pm #448012

bman wrote:I think the most disgusting thing here this batch of drama has brought about is not the stupid arguments against catgirls, the weakening arguments for keeping them, not the complete sham of a poll or the completely manufactured drama to throw as much dirt as the issue as the shitty players against it can manage.

The most disgusting thing here is Oranges.

I think it speaks volumes how Oranges has completely subverted the power structure on tg. He has essentially declared in this thread that the only thing he answers to is MSO. A complete disregard for the system that we have that appoints leaders for the community, player input for the server, or even people appointed by MSO himself (or by proxy). Oranges has declared that because he controls the code, he controls the servers. And that's frankly distressing.

As I believe Kevin has pointed out, the only people who ever unironcally use the phrase "separation of code and server" are the people with control over both.

its oranges

Denton · Post by **Denton** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:01 pm #448017

Yakumo_Chen wrote:I think it speaks volumes how Oranges has completely subverted the power structure on tg. He has essentially declared in this thread that the only thing he answers to is MSO. A complete disregard for the system that we have that appoints leaders for the community, player input for the server, or even people appointed by MSO himself (or by proxy). Oranges has declared that because he controls the code, he controls the servers. And that's frankly distressing.

Either I'm high or you missed when
- oranges started a week long poll about whether players want to keep or remove catgirls
- the poll got filtered to weed out non /tg/ players
- the result turned out invalid, so oranges started another poll with more precise wording

If he had an agenda against or for catgirls, he could have simply merged or closed the PR without doing any of the above.

Nilons · Post by **Nilons** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:47 pm #448027

its clementines

Post by **oranges** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:29 pm #448033

watch out guys, my agenda of actually asking people what they want is going to completely destroy /tg/ and subvert it's commmunity and admins! don't you know it's best to just listen to only the headadmins! How dare I subvert their authority by asking the people they're beholden to what they think. This is a total dictatorship of democracy and we need to stop it

edit: oh also, if you want someone to blame for the poll

bman · Post by **bman** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:50 pm #448035

Shezza, I must thank you, for making the impossible seem possible......... who woulda thunk it a catgirl player is the reason cats might be removed

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:51 pm #448038

Yakumo_Chen wrote:As I believe Kevin has pointed out, the only people who ever unironcally use the phrase "separation of code and server" are the people with control over both.

I use it a lot

Shezza · Post by **Shezza** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:53 pm #448040

bman wrote:Shezza, I must thank you, for making the impossible seem possible......... who woulda thunk it a catgirl player is the reason cats might be removed

i love ruining everything

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:07 pm #448044

Shezza wrote:
bman wrote:Shezza, I must thank you, for making the impossible seem possible......... who woulda thunk it a catgirl player is the reason cats might be removed
i love ruining everything

It's great, actually. Thanks for admitting you were intentionally shit-stirring!

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:27 pm #448049

He was nyat

obscolene · Post by **obscolene** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:31 pm #448050

Lazengann wrote:He was nyat

I did not hit her, it's not true. It's bullshit, I did not hit her. I did not.

bman · Post by **bman** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:01 pm #448053

oh hi :B:ark

Yakumo_Chen · Post by **Yakumo_Chen** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:10 pm #448054

Admins: Oranges acted in bad faith here's what we're doing about catgirls

Oranges: fuck you my poll won I do what I want if you don't like it tell MSO

Admins: Actually you lost the poll

Also Oranges: Actually I'm working with admins on this issue and there will be a new poll (I will not put this to rest even though my poll lost)

Players: LMAO it's oranges he's a memer he's excusable.

Chilling.

confused rock · Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:13 pm

this really straws my man

wesoda25 · Post by **wesoda25** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:17 pm #448056

Yakumo_Chen wrote:Admins: Oranges acted in bad faith here's what we're doing about catgirls

Oranges: fuck you my poll won I do what I want if you don't like it tell MSO

Admins: Actually you lost the poll

Also Oranges: Actually I'm working with admins on this issue and there will be a new poll (I will not put this to rest even though my poll lost)

Players: LMAO it's oranges he's a memer he's excusable.

Chilling.

Actually

Oranges: Plans to remove cats because the clearly worded option won the majority vote.

Headmins: uhh dispute its half and half!!

Oranges: No you lost the poll take it to MSO

Headmins: Weird poll make a new one.

Oranges: fine

And then it became apparent that cats in fact won the poll

So in conclusion you’re dumb as shit.

Post by **oranges** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:22 pm #448057

absolutely basking in yakumo making such a fool of themself rn

Yakumo_Chen · Post by **Yakumo_Chen** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:37 pm #448061

The fact oranges can brazenly declare a headman decision does not matter based on the results of a poll that isn't based on a code issue (it's a configuration issue) in the first place shouldn't be ignored regardless of backpedaling.

Post by **oranges** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:57 pm #448064

You clearly don't understand what the separation means, or how it works.

Both the code base and administration are independent of each other, and both are able to force the other party to the negotiating table via the use of their independent authority.

This is a worst case option given that it's usually Mutually Assured Destruction on both sides, but it's well within my powers to make changes without consulting the headadmins.

Of course I would always prefer to communicate and cooperate and we did eventually manage to do that.

This is not a mistake, this is not an oversight, it was intentionally designed this way to prevent anyone set of people having absolute power outside of the Host. You seem to be operating under the assumption that I cannot do this, but that would be wrong.

CreationPro · Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:03 pm

oranges wrote:You clearly don't understand what the separation means, or how it works.

Both the code base and administration are independent of each other, and both are able to force the other party to the negotiating table via the use of their independent authority.

This is a worst case option given that it's usually Mutually Assured Destruction on both sides, but it's well within my powers to make changes without consulting the headadmins.

Of course I would always prefer to communicate and cooperate and we did eventually manage to do that.

This is not a mistake, this is not an oversight, it was intentionally designed this way to prevent anyone set of people having absolute power outside of the Host. You seem to be operating under the assumption that I cannot do this, but that would be wrong.

I hope push never comes to shove and everyone can always come to a consensus. I don't see the server operating without the codebase and the codebase operating without the server, both are interdependent.
I'm glad Oranges doesn't pull an errorage and start flexing on everybody. It's not pretty when it happens.

iamgoofball · Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:08 pm

CreationPro wrote:
oranges wrote:You clearly don't understand what the separation means, or how it works.

Both the code base and administration are independent of each other, and both are able to force the other party to the negotiating table via the use of their independent authority.

This is a worst case option given that it's usually Mutually Assured Destruction on both sides, but it's well within my powers to make changes without consulting the headadmins.

Of course I would always prefer to communicate and cooperate and we did eventually manage to do that.

This is not a mistake, this is not an oversight, it was intentionally designed this way to prevent anyone set of people having absolute power outside of the Host. You seem to be operating under the assumption that I cannot do this, but that would be wrong.
I hope push never comes to shove and everyone can always come to a consensus. I don't see the server operating without the codebase and the codebase operating without the server, both are interdependent.
I'm glad Oranges doesn't pull an errorage and start flexing on everybody. It's not pretty when it happens.

its oranges and he can flex all he wants

CreationPro · Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:10 pm

iamgoofball wrote: its oranges and he can flex all he wants

He hates it when I capitalize the O and he's not flexing.

obscolene · Post by **obscolene** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:23 pm #448089

Yakumo_Chen wrote:a bunch of retarded shit

>oranges made poll to decide whether to merge or close removal PR
>catpeople lost
>headmins try to damage control
>oranges says "okay if you guys didn't like this poll then we can make a new one soon"
>it turns out the filter was wrong
>massive backpedaling by catpeople supporters
i'm havin a big laffo @ ur expense rn chief

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:26 pm #448090

I've never seen a more uninformed person such as obscolene

Post by **oranges** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:27 pm #448092

that's how it went down

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:27 pm #448093

You are missing some steps but ok

IkeTG · Post by **IkeTG** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:28 pm #448094

we should just remove catpeople

Doctor Pork · Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:29 pm

iamgoofball wrote:
CreationPro wrote:
oranges wrote:You clearly don't understand what the separation means, or how it works.

Both the code base and administration are independent of each other, and both are able to force the other party to the negotiating table via the use of their independent authority.

This is a worst case option given that it's usually Mutually Assured Destruction on both sides, but it's well within my powers to make changes without consulting the headadmins.

Of course I would always prefer to communicate and cooperate and we did eventually manage to do that.

This is not a mistake, this is not an oversight, it was intentionally designed this way to prevent anyone set of people having absolute power outside of the Host. You seem to be operating under the assumption that I cannot do this, but that would be wrong.
I hope push never comes to shove and everyone can always come to a consensus. I don't see the server operating without the codebase and the codebase operating without the server, both are interdependent.
I'm glad Oranges doesn't pull an errorage and start flexing on everybody. It's not pretty when it happens.
its oranges and he can flex all he wants

i stopped correcting people about the O they never learn smdh

CreationPro · Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:03 pm

Doctor Pork wrote: i stopped correcting people about the O they never learn smdh

I will never not capitalize proper nouns
It's his damn fault he decided to use oranges as a proper noun, doctor pork

Qustinnus · Post by **Qustinnus** » Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:50 pm #448103

NikNakFlak wrote:You are missing some steps but ok

ok list them

RobustAndRun · Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:49 am

The cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics from the anime avatars in this thread is fucking *incredible*

Rustledjimm · Post by **Rustledjimm** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:08 am #448136

Why argue so much about who "deserves" more say in the server.

Goofball and Shezza are both shit and neither should have a say. They are the worst each side of the debate has to offer.

Shezza · Post by **Shezza** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:42 am #448173

Rustledjimm wrote:Why argue so much about who "deserves" more say in the server.

Goofball and Shezza are both shit and neither should have a say. They are the worst each side of the debate has to offer.

You're permanently banned from catcord for this.

lmwevil · Post by **lmwevil** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:00 am #448186

nobody deserves more say than anyone else, the policy has always been that permabanned people can still be in the community just not the game. If someone is such a shitstain they get blacklisted that's a different matter entirely, and saying someone should have a more valid opinion than someone else is a rabbithole that is out of scope from catpeople. don't engage with people if you can't have clear and calm civil discourse

or you can just rage about catpeople because this is tg :^)

Screemonster · Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:52 am

If you want to go the "doesn't play here but plays on a downstream" route then that applies just as much to the hippie guys that were pushing for cat removal as it does to shezza playing on nyanstation13 or wherever they are now

sure the cat downstreams can just not merge the removal PR but likewise non-cat downstreams can turn the config off or declare cats valid

all are punish'd

Ayy Lemoh · Post by **Ayy Lemoh** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:16 am #448205

I honestly bet that someone here would kill another person if it meant that it would make keeping/removing catpeople easier.

Worst part about this situation is that the only real middle ground is kitten ear hats (if you believe it should be removed then what about rabbit ears) since it removes any resemblance to a race, has a disadvantage, and keeps your dream of being a cat. Sadly, that clearly isn't enough. It also has the flaw that catpeople would then be human. I think that would just be a petty thing though since if catpeople were removed then the old cat players would still be human if they stayed but whatever.

Godzillan · Post by **Godzillan** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:01 pm #448212

Ayy Lemoh wrote:I honestly bet that someone here would kill another person if it meant that it would make keeping/removing catpeople easier.

Worst part about this situation is that the only real middle ground is kitten ear hats (if you believe it should be removed then what about rabbit ears) since it removes any resemblance to a race, has a disadvantage, and keeps your dream of being a cat. Sadly, that clearly isn't enough. It also has the flaw that catpeople would then be human. I think that would just be a petty thing though since if catpeople were removed then the old cat players would still be human if they stayed but whatever.

Yes but then again there's 1-2 kitten ears on the station every round, and if you see someone wearing them you can robust them and steal the kitten ears. Pretty acceptable middle ground in my opinion, but I wouldn't be surprised if the headmins kept filibustering the whole thing until cats are still in the game two months from now and no vote was ever held on the matter.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:05 pm #448214

Godzillan wrote:
Ayy Lemoh wrote:I honestly bet that someone here would kill another person if it meant that it would make keeping/removing catpeople easier.

Worst part about this situation is that the only real middle ground is kitten ear hats (if you believe it should be removed then what about rabbit ears) since it removes any resemblance to a race, has a disadvantage, and keeps your dream of being a cat. Sadly, that clearly isn't enough. It also has the flaw that catpeople would then be human. I think that would just be a petty thing though since if catpeople were removed then the old cat players would still be human if they stayed but whatever.
Yes but then again there's 1-2 kitten ears on the station every round, and if you see someone wearing them you can robust them and steal the kitten ears. Pretty acceptable middle ground in my opinion, but I wouldn't be surprised if the headmins kept filibustering the whole thing until cats are still in the game two months from now and no vote was ever held on the matter.

>muh headmin conspiracy
wasn't this a code vote

Karp · Post by **Karp** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:06 pm #448237

Godzillan wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if the headmins kept filibustering the whole thing until cats are still in the game two months from now and no vote was ever held on the matter.

cats never won, huh?

Nice revisionist history

Cant believe i actually wanted cats gone in the first vote and now i'm defending them due to the garbage arguments against them post victory

bman · Post by **bman** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:32 pm #448261

dont mind karp he got high off the tailpipe of a city bus

Karp · Post by **Karp** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:49 pm #448271

bman wrote:dont mind karp he got high off the tailpipe of a city bus

bumba

Denton · Post by **Denton** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:53 pm #448276

Godzillan wrote:Yes but then again there's 1-2 kitten ears on the station every round

Delta has two free pairs lying around plus five autodrobes
The catspiracy is real

delaron · Post by **delaron** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:55 pm #448322

What the hell?!

This argument again?

Since back in 2014 the different race meme issue has been a raging garbage fire. First lizards, for a hot take plasma peps and now for a long haul the cat/felinids.

Seriously who the fuck really cares?! Let those that wanna be cat peps be cat peps. Honestly what affect does it have on your ability to have fun? I've never been a cat person but if a player that enjoys being a cat person adds to the overall gameplay and rp of a round then cool more power to them.

Can we focus our energy on worthwhile improvements and code changes?

This fight is honestly a waste of time and energy and isn't all that great or funny of a meme.

Post by **Dax Dupont** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:06 pm #448325

i miss kor

Gamarr · Post by **Gamarr** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:30 pm #448330

Dax Dupont wrote:i miss kor

Nilons · Post by **Nilons** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:32 pm #448331

Gamarr wrote:
Dax Dupont wrote:i miss kor

iksyp · Post by **iksyp** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:32 pm #448332

Nilons wrote:
Gamarr wrote:
Dax Dupont wrote:i miss kor

Screemonster · Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:36 pm

delaron wrote:This fight is honestly a waste of time and energy and isn't all that great or funny of a meme.

the fact that it's such a pointless argument with only cosmetic implications is why so many people are drawn to argue so strongly about it
if it actually had an effect on game balance in any way then people might have to consider whether they know jack shit about things like game balance or coding before they ventured their opinions on it, but "should people be allowed to have cosmetic ears y/n" is a very simple question that anyone can grasp

it's a classic bikeshed argument only instead of a bikeshed it's the ntr hut