Faiths and religions

[Rumpelstiltskin3]

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I'm an Atheist. I hate the idea of a God, and believe that men themselves are the superior being. We have created civilization, language, writing, technology, and have dominated almost every species known.A man is god to all it creates and destroys.

[Kot]

doubts

I have a bit of trobule since i don't have any religious books near myself, but i'll try to get a quote in English. It's actually something i thought about before (God forgives, but if you die without telling some priest what you did, you fuckd) and i took it as just another hole in Christian beliefs. Also, you know, there might be a reason why all kinds of protestants exist.

tradiiitiooon

Kinda similar, while I really dislike some beliefs, stuff that Bible tells me, I really like how Christianity shaped (Polans) history

I'm an Atheist. I hate the idea of a God, and believe that men themselves are the superior being. We have created civilization, language, writing, technology, and have dominated almost every species known.A man is god to all it creates and destroys.

Humanity FUCK YEAH!

[miggles]

tip your fedora harder kot, i dont think the ladies have noticed your class yet

[nsos]

[deathhoof]

*tips mitre*

[Rumpelstiltskin3]

>"Atheist"
>more like "atheist"

*Greentexting out of 4chan*

[Snake2512]

It's weird how most Christians have heard "god is everywhere" and "heaven is within you", but still talk about "going" to heaven after they die, and god "watching" you, pointing upwards, etc.

I'm not too sure what you mean by your first sentence, but it simply sounds to me like a cultural thing/saying.

I mean the way people talk about things.
The easiest way (and a very popular way) to understand heaven and hell is that they're "some places located somewhere", but (I had to look it up) Jesus himself said that kingdom of God is within you. I think this should be taken very literally, they're inside our mind.

In my opinion the words can be changed from heaven --> enlightenment and hell --> suffering. They're right here, right now. Your choice. If you're not satisfied about your current situation, you're in hell. If you're truly content about your situation, you're enlightened. And suddenly this becomes something very similar to Buddhism. But this is just my view on this, to make sense out of a prophet's words.

I think most of the biggest things you can learn from life can be learned from the simplest facts: I will die. All of this is temporary, this keyboard and this screen are slowly rusting etc.

Those are the words of a certain philosopher I can't remember the name of, so it can't really relate to spirituality if that makes sense.

How is this all of a sudden some incomprehensible spirituality and not similar to religions? These are the simplest observations of our existence, I'm quite sure you can at least partly relate.
And sure, some philosopher must've said that sometime, but the point was that anyone of us can see these facts: No one has lived forever, everything slowly breaks if given enough time, death of my body is extremely certain, losing all my wealth, property and stuff.

What can I make of these simple things? Well, why hoard money to myself if I'm going to lose it? Why be angry at someone if we're both going to be dead very soon (in a wide perspective)? Should I take things seriously? Why hold up an ego?

Well, if we want to hit the real deep ends of philosophical discussion then technically you can only prove that you exist, in the words of Rene Descartes 'I think therefore I am'. Remember, philosophy and religion are still different, the only religion that is inherently a philosophy is Buddhism I believe. AS you said for your first part it is your opinion, I can't really argue with an opinion as you just think this is what the Lord/prophet meant. As for the very last part the answer is very simple, you want wealth because you are human, you feel anger because you are human, you take life seriously because you are human and you maintain some sort of ego because you are..... you guessed it human. Since you are thinking right now, you can prove that you are human.

I'm an Atheist. I hate the idea of a God, and believe that men themselves are the superior being. We have created civilization, language, writing, technology, and have dominated almost every species known.A man is god to all it creates and destroys.

And God created man, to think we are the be all and end all is a very shallow thought. If we want to look at the history of Earth and the universe we are very insignificant.

[Skorvold]

Religion is necessary for low and high functioning societies. A lot of people would do whatever they want if they didn't believe there was an afterlife.

[ColonicAcid]

I don't understand people who say that "it's not really that I believe in god its just that without religion we would be a barbaric species."
Uh? Okay?
So every human doesn't have the self control and the moral right and wrong to know that maybe killing a person is bad not because the big fairy in the sky is going to send him to eternal damnation but because yknow, it's not a good thing to do? As I've said before in this thread, gott is tot. There is no need for a god as a central figure for moral rights because we have a centralised court system. We know that if we kill that person we will go to prison and prison is bad. I'm not being le fedora tipper here since idgaf if you follow a god but saying that we humans at this current day and age require a god is pretty dumbfounded.

[fleure]

I don't understand people who say that "it's not really that I believe in god its just that without religion we would be a barbaric species."
Uh? Okay?
So every human doesn't have the self control and the moral right and wrong to know that maybe killing a person is bad not because the big fairy in the sky is going to send him to eternal damnation but because yknow, it's not a good thing to do? As I've said before in this thread, gott is tot. There is no need for a god as a central figure for moral rights because we have a centralised court system. We know that if we kill that person we will go to prison and prison is bad. I'm not being le fedora tipper here since idgaf if you follow a god but saying that we humans at this current day and age require a god is pretty dumbfounded.

I'm of the opinion that morality is not innate or absolute. I'm sure there have been societies in human history that have decided murder is a-ok and truly believed that, and not lasted very long. A civilization flourishes when it isn't killing the people who make it up or withholding all resources from those who can or do contribute to it. For whatever the source of today's dominant religions and faiths code of altruism and compassion, it's their ethical code that has allowed for civilization to develop. It's "memetic selection" as much as genetic. We are at our point today where we can say killing a person is bad because that idea has kept us going as a civilization and culture for so long.

But as I said, I don't think there is an absolute moral code. What one society thinks is goodness is going to differ to another, and in the pursuit of resources and expansion, that can only lead to one thing. Despite all the talk of turning the other cheek, might makes right.

[kosmos]

Well, if we want to hit the real deep ends of philosophical discussion then technically you can only prove that you exist, in the words of Rene Descartes 'I think therefore I am'. Remember, philosophy and religion are still different, the only religion that is inherently a philosophy is Buddhism I believe. AS you said for your first part it is your opinion, I can't really argue with an opinion as you just think this is what the Lord/prophet meant. As for the very last part the answer is very simple, you want wealth because you are human, you feel anger because you are human, you take life seriously because you are human and you maintain some sort of ego because you are..... you guessed it human. Since you are thinking right now, you can prove that you are human.

I don't know what the technicality here is, but in my opinion: we don't know anything, we can't know anything, we can't prove anything. Religion and philosophy are both a way to look at the world, so I see them inseparable.
And yes, "I" (because I is the ego, only an illusion of myself comprised from the past & future, nothing to do with the present, and in reality, doesn't exist at all in this very moment) want money because I'm human, we have a tendency to grow an ego, but does that mean I should really devote my life to gain money, or realize that it's something only ego wants and will ultimately not satisfy its need? No. To truly realize there's a chance we won't be here tomorrow gives the ultimate freedom of that ego shit. And all that can be seen from a simple fact: everything I see, perishes, if given enough time. This is what I was aiming for.

[Kavaloosh]

why don't we go back to fighting about standing or sitting while wiping your ass like civilized people

[nsos]

my dick long but painfully thin

[miggles]

>"Atheist"
>more like "atheist"

*Greentexting out of 4chan*

[Incomptinence]

Faith/Place Tract: Unlimited Good Works.

[Vekter]

If we can't have this thread without being civil, we won't have it at all.

[Maccus]

Do you expect anyone to be civil on a thread about religion? Look at how we reacted to a thread about the imperial system.

[Perakp]

I like hanging out with religious folks, they are well-mannered, honest, helpful, welcoming, friendly, all round good people.

Except in the army there was this higher ranking dude that decided we had to read our soldier's manual on planting landmines or w/e while the others were doing church-service, so we didn't get special treatment just because we weren't part of the church. What a waste of time.

[miggles]

43 days left until Mythmas!
And I still can't believe how many retards worship an imaginary deity and/or some idiot philosopher that claimed he was one 2000 years ago. I have deduced however that since idiot is higher than retard on the mental disabilities scale, religious people must have been outsmarted. So go ahead and waste your money on stupid gifts that will be returned. Raise your electric bills by attempting to make your house look like the Manhattan skyline at night. Oh, and please gorge on turkey and ham making yourselves fatter and fatter all the while spending time with relatives that you don't contact the rest of the year and couldn't give two shits about besides. As for me, I'll be right here laughing at all of you for doing so.

[Steelpoint]

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Someone got a lump of coal for Christmas.

[miggles]

no didnt you read my post its called mythmas and its dumb obviously
it was invented by a guy 20000 years ago and he was dumb cus he said to be nice to people

[Kraso]

ateism

nice meme

I award you the golden fedora of ateism