Disguising OOC terms icly

[wesoda25]

So headmin elections and lots of candidates have mentioned roleplay and the separation of OOC and IC. Not a headmin thingy, just wanna get admin consensus on disguised OOC terms. If other people have questions we could make this a running thread or something.

Bans
- Is referring to bans as “being fired by centcomm” acceptable

Other Servers/Bagil-Terry-Sybil
- If we mention other servers, can we refer to them like this: “Yeah I’m from the hippie sector of space” or “I come from hippie station” or can we not mention server names like that?

Admins
- Referring to the admins collectively as centcomm is generally acceptable I know, but what about the other common variant, calling them Gods?

Previous Rounds
- I know this one is pretty much against the rules, but is it even enforced? Say Joe Schmoe kills off the station as viro last round, do admins get on people for saying round start: “Oh God who let Joe be viro again”, things of that nature.

Feel free to snowball.

[Stickymayhem]

At least dressing up OOC terms like this is a modicum of effort to be honest. I'd generally be ok with any of these options.

What I'd avoid are hints at clearly OOC things in game, like the roundtype "We've found traitors already, I doubt there are any nuke ops", for example.

[Cobby]

Why are you bringing up bans in IC, but being suspended/fired/etc is sufficient

Sybil/Terry you can use their station names or “Sybil sector”, don’t really care. Absolutely no one cares if you’re from X server

Centcomm / Gods is fine

You can refer to past rounds but you can’t act on actions done in the past. May require some creativity, IE If you want to talk about a traitor round you can open up with you were in nt intelligence or something, I wouldn’t say you’re an ex syndicate as that’s just bait that I personally won’t entertain if someone acts on.

[bandit]

These are kind of borderline, but if you absolutely have to talk about this kind of thing IC, it's better than nothing.

[NoxVS]

You can refer to past rounds but you can’t act on actions done in the past. May require some creativity, IE If you want to talk about a traitor round you can open up with you were in nt intelligence or something, I wouldn’t say you’re an ex syndicate as that’s just bait that I personally won’t entertain if someone acts on.

In my head I always just imagined Nanotrasen keeping our DNA saved and just making a new clone and sending it out to every new station. Nanotrasen saves logs of all station activity which clones can access at any time to see what their past clones, and other's past clones, have done. Antags are just "sabotaged" clones brainwashed or converted by whoever wanted the station activity interfered with. So it wasn't "you" who was a traitor in a previous round, it was a past clone who was hijacked.

[subject217]

These are kind of borderline, but if you absolutely have to talk about this kind of thing IC, it's better than nothing.

[Qbmax32]

These are funny and at least putting a modicum of effort into hiding OOC terms is okay by me. "You're gonna get fired by centcomm" or something similar always makes me chuckle.

[BeeSting12]

My favorite is arresting a guy and then he gets really salty and says "I'm talking to the gods right now, id release me if i were you."

[Screemonster]

My favorite is arresting a guy and then he gets really salty and says "I'm talking to the gods right now, id release me if i were you."

and all I can think of is that vid of the guy on the riding mower yelling "I HAVE THE POWER OF GOD" as he points a gun at a cop car

[PKPenguin321]

My favorite is arresting a guy and then he gets really salty and says "I'm talking to the gods right now, id release me if i were you."

this is not the same thing as it's hardly IC unless it's the chaplain or whatever

[RandomMarine]

My favorite is arresting a guy and then he gets really salty and says "I'm talking to the gods right now, id release me if i were you."

This kind of thing from non-chaplains should be grounds for sticking them in the loony ward.

[kevinz000]

"ayyy lmao" ---> "ayyy elmayo"/"ayyyy lemoh" is one of my favorite examples.

[iamgoofball]

stop getting mad over people saying dumb abbreviations, people do it IRL

source: work a job where you have to listen to shithead teenagers

[NikNakFlak]

this is a game

[iamgoofball]

this is a game

then why are you getting mad over people using lingo common in gamer communities?

[Rustledjimm]

stop getting mad over people saying dumb abbreviations, people do it IRL

source: work a job where you have to listen to shithead teenagers

t. teenager


Personally I actually dislike the term Gods, it's almost always used by someone as a threat.

[Ayy Lemoh]

"ayyy lmao" ---> "ayyy elmayo"/"ayyyy lemoh" is one of my favorite examples.

Yeah, I always use 'ayy lemoh' so admins don't ban me.

ayy lemoh kev likes me

[Atlanta-Ned]

nothing fills me with a white-hot, seething rage more than someone telling me they're talking to the gods. fuck you, you immersion bending fucks.

[Lumbermancer]

Is Despacito an OOC term?

[BeeSting12]

Well I've seen a lizard named Des-Pa-Cito and a human named Despa Cito so no, it's not.

[Lumbermancer]

So you're saying I just have to force something, and avoid being caught in the process?

[bandit]

oh my god do you all have actual brain damage

"ayy elmao" = dressing up chatspeak with extra syllables is still chatspeak, don't fucking do it

"despacito" = in case you weren't aware this is an actual name of an actual song that exists and can be said, and is also literally an actual word in spanish, so why the fuck wouldn't it be okay

this has been your rda of salt

[wesoda25]

oh my god do you all have actual brain damage

"ayy elmao" = dressing up chatspeak with extra syllables is still chatspeak, don't fucking do it

"despacito" = in case you weren't aware this is an actual name of an actual song that exists and can be said, and is also literally an actual word in spanish, so why the fuck wouldn't it be okay

this has been your rda of salt

SPEAKING OTHER LANGUAGES THAN ENGLISH IS PROBIBITED AS IT GIVES AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE TO THE MULTI-LINGUAL. THEREFORE SAYING DESPACITO = SEVERE POWERGAMING

[PKPenguin321]

oh my god do you all have actual brain damage

"ayy elmao" = dressing up chatspeak with extra syllables is still chatspeak, don't fucking do it

but it's absolutely something you can say in real life

[DemonFiren]

I can also say "George Melons is griffing me" in real life

[Arianya]

oh my god do you all have actual brain damage

"ayy elmao" = dressing up chatspeak with extra syllables is still chatspeak, don't fucking do it

but it's absolutely something you can say in real life

This has always been a shitty defense of low effort netspeak in IC.

You are playing a game that is ostensibly about roleplaying. While we don't enforce many rules as far as that goes, it's not much to ask people to please refrain from using netspeak in IC, even if they would, in fact, say "brb"/"lol"/etc. in real life.

No one's asking you to crack out a thesaurus and get all poetic about it, just use complete sentences with full words.

I realize this deprives certain people of the extremely funny and original joke of going "ayyy lmao" but I think somehow our community will survive this challenge.

[PKPenguin321]

oh my god do you all have actual brain damage

"ayy elmao" = dressing up chatspeak with extra syllables is still chatspeak, don't fucking do it

but it's absolutely something you can say in real life

This has always been a shitty defense of low effort netspeak in IC.

You are playing a game that is ostensibly about roleplaying. While we don't enforce many rules as far as that goes, it's not much to ask people to please refrain from using netspeak in IC, even if they would, in fact, say "brb"/"lol"/etc. in real life.

But if you would say it in real life, doesn't that make it even more like roleplaying?
I agree that we shouldn't have people going "tbh smh irl famalam lmao" IC but if some silly shit happens it's totally within the realm of reality to hit it with a sarcastic "El em ay oh" or something

[DemonFiren]

>sarcasm
as if
no one's gonna use it that way
people will only use to be SiLlY aNd WaCkY xD

[PKPenguin321]

Oh nooo

[Lumbermancer]

"despacito" = in case you weren't aware this is an actual name of an actual song that exists and can be said, and is also literally an actual word in spanish, so why the fuck wouldn't it be okay

AI play despacito 2

[Ayy Lemoh]

This has always been a shitty defense of low effort netspeak in IC.

You are playing a game that is ostensibly about roleplaying. While we don't enforce many rules as far as that goes, it's not much to ask people to please refrain from using netspeak in IC, even if they would, in fact, say "brb"/"lol"/etc. in real life.

No one's asking you to crack out a thesaurus and get all poetic about it, just use complete sentences with full words.

I realize this deprives certain people of the extremely funny and original joke of going "ayyy lmao" but I think somehow our community will survive this challenge.

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If you're not an abductor or there are no abductors at all and you go 'eyy lomeh' then that's bad.

If you're an abductor and you emote something that is basically 'ayy lmaos' then I feel it is fine since they can't talk and is better than just them silently fucking staring at you doing nothing or flipping where you could miss it if you blinked. You could say 'mimes don't fucking talk and they don't emote MIMES' however no one would really care if all they emoted was 'mimes.'

If you're not an abductor and you see one then go 'ayy laughing my ass off' then I can understand the idea of you getting punished but I wouldn't see it as top priority. The only thing I've ever seen happen from an abductor that isn't being stealthy is people saying 'ayy lmao'. I could stand still, doing nothing, and someone would still say it. No one has ever gone down a slippery slope of 'lmao smh irl famalam XD' because of someone saying 'ayy luhmaouh' or some disguised version of fucking 'ayy lmao'.

Am I biased on this? yes. I remember someone calling me a retard or something, I think, because I just spout what is apparently a tumblr meme as an abductor however I enjoy doing it.

Best solution, imo, would be banning lmao or any disguised netspeak version HOWEVER you can still say 'ayy'.

Because you gotta be fucking kidding me if you say the entire phrase is banned. People even call fucking xenomorphs 'ayyliens' despite me thinking that's the wrong term.

[Cobby]

Again, if you want to enforce this put it on a filter via code.

It doesn't make sense one can realistically (and people do) say it IRL and is perfectly allowed via message systems within the game world (pda for example) but saying it in conversation is an admin-worthy issue.

[bandit]

Best solution, imo, would be banning lmao or any disguised netspeak version HOWEVER you can still say 'ayy'.

Because you gotta be fucking kidding me if you say the entire phrase is banned. People even call fucking xenomorphs 'ayyliens' despite me thinking that's the wrong term.

this is literally the rule though

[Arianya]

Again, if you want to enforce this put it on a filter via code.

It doesn't make sense one can realistically (and people do) say it IRL and is perfectly allowed via message systems within the game world (pda for example) but saying it in conversation is an admin-worthy issue.

Code text filters almost always end up with false positives and other shit which invariably end up being worse then the thing they aim to fix.

No one's gotten banned over textspeak and I severely doubt many have even gotten notes, it's just one of those simple small things which people should do to make SS13 slightly more immersive and I don't think we need to be delineating specific words that are okay or trying to reinvent the wheel when it comes to enforcing it.

[bandit]

No one's gotten banned over textspeak and I severely doubt many have even gotten notes

they do and they have, but they're generally 5-15 minute bans like IC in OOC would be

[Cobby]

Again, if you want to enforce this put it on a filter via code.

It doesn't make sense one can realistically (and people do) say it IRL and is perfectly allowed via message systems within the game world (pda for example) but saying it in conversation is an admin-worthy issue.

Code text filters almost always end up with false positives and other shit which invariably end up being worse then the thing they aim to fix.

No one's gotten banned over textspeak and I severely doubt many have even gotten notes, it's just one of those simple small things which people should do to make SS13 slightly more immersive and I don't think we need to be delineating specific words that are okay or trying to reinvent the wheel when it comes to enforcing it.

I'm certain you can code it in a way that it looks for the entirety of the word and not within a word. Even then we're talking about netspeak here, it's not like you're going to commonly use a word with "rofl" or "lol" or "ayyyy" in it...

SS13 is meant to be in a setting centuries from now, I'm not sure if I think removing internet culture or "memes" makes it more immersive. Surely they would have had access to the contents of the internet. I dunno I just think it's a bit silly to get upset to the point of bwoinking/noting/banning about netspeak in a roleplay of this setting.

[bandit]

I'm certain you can code it in a way that it looks for the entirety of the word and not within a word. Even then we're talking about netspeak here, it's not like you're going to commonly use a word with "rofl" or "lol" or "ayyyy" in it...

ironic coming from someone whose main is called Lola Cobblestone

also good luck if you want to talk about the borg's lollipops

[Cobby]

Didn’t even consider my name I’ve been out-thunked.

Still the entirety of the word is plausible to my knowledge, we already use it for speech modifiers like the beret, mustache, lucha mask etc. I don’t think it’s going to be a big issue as the people on this thread suggest.

[Nilons]

I think people threatening to call god on you as soon as their timer goes over 10 minutes is THE FUNNIEST thing please don't take it away

[SpaceManiac]

Code-side word filters are a terrible idea even without considering the fact that what is ok/what isn't is largely contextual and changes over time, sometimes rapidly.

[Cobby]

Code-side word filters are a terrible idea even without considering the fact that what is ok/what isn't is largely contextual and changes over time, sometimes rapidly.

For the most offensive things, particularly smileys, it would be alright as those will never be acceptable since we have me's.

For netspeak I'm of the opinion it shouldn't really be handled at all oocly as long as it's not "rofl lol tbh fam" or something so gamer-bound you can't help to smite them with brain damage, but we keep getting 5000 flavors of this dumb thread so i'd prefer the solution that doesn't get people banned/blackmar... i mean noted.

[Nilons]

Every time I try to type an emoticon into ooc the game tries to trick me into getting banned by asking if I meant to say that IC

[Cobby]

With the amount of accidental ic in ooc, I take the feature with the grain of salt tbh

[bandit]

in all seriousness chat filters are a bad idea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scunthorpe_problem

[Cobby]

Agreed, not excluding admin-enforced ones.

[Arianya]

Cobby I realize the thought of people being bwoinked breaks you out in hives but if you start allowing people to use "sry" "thx" and so on and so forth it'll be a race to the bottom to see who can put less effort in.

Ultimately as far as our rules go its a pretty minor request and one that doesn't even really come up with people other then maybe a few times when they're new to the server, and which is easy enough to correct.

Let's not make mountains out of molehills by overblowing the "omg admin bwoinking me FNR"

[oranges]

Just don't play when dax or ari are on the server, you'll save yourself a lot of grief.

[Iatots]

Maybe it's because I am not a native english speaker, but I don't associate the "lmao" in ayy lmao with the actual words it stands for. It's just a funny vocalization an alien makes when something amusing happens.

[Cobby]

Cobby I realize the thought of people being bwoinked breaks you out in hives but if you start allowing people to use "sry" "thx" and so on and so forth it'll be a race to the bottom to see who can put less effort in.

Ultimately as far as our rules go its a pretty minor request and one that doesn't even really come up with people other then maybe a few times when they're new to the server, and which is easy enough to correct.

Let's not make mountains out of molehills by overblowing the "omg admin bwoinking me FNR"

Typically when someone shorthands like an idiot I say in character "what is sry?" so they automatically correct themselves, without any admin intervention required. I personally would like to see someone continue so they get sent to medical for a lobotomy or something. We should encourage self-administration (to a degree) and staying within character since *bwoink* got a moment? is just as immersion-breaking as someone dropping the evil "sry" or "thx" out of habit on rare occasion.

[bandit]

I bwoink people regularly for this and I have very rarely gotten pushback, probably since I frame it as a reminder and not a YOU'RE IN TROUBLE NOW FAM