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[Incomptinence]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Why are you such a sad lad let's have a quick looksie at wikipedia.

First vote
The first vote allows the elector to vote for a direct candidate of their constituency, who applies for a direct mandate in the Bundestag (see illustration above, no. 2). Relative majority voting is used, which means that the candidate who receives most of the votes gets the mandate. If the vote results in a tie, the lot drawn by the leader of the regional election is decisive. In this case, the votes for the other candidates are invalid.

Oh obfuscated FPP you poor wretch living in a proto-democracy must be hard.

[DemonFiren]

ah, okay, so you're just here to shitpost

[Iatots]

Thank dog for all those shitstirring embassy interns on twitter.

[IkeTG]

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A nice interview.

that tv host should've been careful, stefan could have compared the interview to the fall of rome and shut him down 500%

[Takeguru]

I actually agree with some of his statements in there
Allowing businesses to choose whether or not they ban face coverings inside is a good idea

And anything government related, too, there should be no one with a covered face in proximity to a public official

[XSI]

Considering the SAS has managed to kill an ISIS leader by infiltrating in full burkas, I'd say it's fair that any government would ban face-covering or full-body covering clothing from being allowed in government buildings or during big events

[XSI]

Double post-
America needs a full check on their voting system. Badly.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/201 ... -precinct/

Come on, get with the times
Make it so any voting machines must have their software on file by gov and an observer entity and randomly inspected across the country without prior warning for tampering. Las Vegas gambling machines are more secure than your elections
Make it so you need an ID to vote so you can't bullshit your way through it
And make it so There's accountability in the entire thing so a specific person or group of people can be pointed to if it goes wrong

This is the bare minimum to have elections, otherwise why even bother?
I know the article says its because the county's residents were told to go vote elsewhere. Just saying it's still a huge issue if the election system does not work as intended and also has no security involved

[Super Aggro Crag]

New Mexico black muslim extremist compound raided, starving children that were being trained to kill in state custody, remains of other children found onsite.

[Grazyn]

You should be afraid of those who completed their training and were sent over the border.

[ShadowDimentio]

Make it so you need an ID to vote so you can't bullshit your way through it

A lot of people (read: dems) are against voter ID because they're racist (read: prevent illegals from voting). Some states have it, a lot don't though.

[DemonFiren]

welcome to another episode of "things shadowmemes actually believes"

[Super Aggro Crag]

How can you post so much in this thread and yet say nothing

[XSI]

Every single country in Europe has voter ID
It does not stop the vulnerable people in society from voting
If they stop illegal immigrants from voting, that's the entire point because these are not citizens and you're not letting Russians vote either, are you?

Also that New Mexico camp- Isn't New Mexico a US state? They won't have to cross any sort of protected border

[ShadowDimentio]

welcome to another episode of "things shadowmemes actually believes"

I wrote an entire paper about voter ID for a history class in college a few semesters ago. I don't just believe it, I know it's the truth. Educate yourself shitlord.

[ShadowDimentio]

New Mexico is rightful Mexican clay and the same system goes for New Spain and New England.

It was until America conquered that bitch and threw out the Spanish. Praise Manifest Destiny!

[DemonFiren]

welcome to another episode of "things shadowmemes actually believes"

I wrote an entire paper about voter ID for a history class in college a few semesters ago. I don't just believe it, I know it's the truth. Educate yourself shitlord.

welcome to another episode of "things shadowmemes actually considers the truth"

[Grazyn]

Every single country in Europe has voter ID
It does not stop the vulnerable people in society from voting
If they stop illegal immigrants from voting, that's the entire point because these are not citizens and you're not letting Russians vote either, are you?

Also that New Mexico camp- Isn't New Mexico a US state? They won't have to cross any sort of protected border

My bad, I missed the New.

Voter IDs are fine, as long as they're free and not another poll tax

[ShadowDimentio]

welcome to another episode of "things shadowmemes actually considers the truth"

The truth is unconditional dumb lizard

[Super Aggro Crag]

There is no truth

[Anonmare]

The truth is whatever the talking heads on the propaganda box says it is you stupid goyim

[XSI]

All the talking heads are fake
Speaking of talking heads, have a clearly opinionated ´article´

https://www.dailywire.com/news/34314/17 ... n-saavedra
But at least its got its sources linked

"170 registered voters listed as being over 116 years old [that] still existed on the [voter] rolls."

This kinda makes the US democracy a joke
This and a whole lot of other things that is

[Takeguru]

US Democracy is a joke until we get rid of FPTP and/or gut the electoral college

And make the big cities their own, separate governing sectors from the states they exist in

[FantasticFwoosh]

And make the big cities their own, separate governing sectors from the states they exist in

Sorry, but that's idiotic, the states already represent your cities constituents and taken for granted the operating laws within them vary already, granting cities legal juristdiction would be considerably worse. Russian Federation and the USA are big (UK formerly the biggest counting entire continents) because they delegate political posts, else they would be overwhelmed and neglected while a further level of introspection to giving landmark cities independence effectively reverts them into the colonial/village model that may rely on local councils with considerably little framework and accountability without re-enforcing them into the US government again.

Would you trust Bill de Blasio to run New York after disbanding local elections because the US government loses legal right to infringe on their soveriegnty without a official diplomatic or military intervention? Or to possess their own New York state militia. I hope your comment was being sarcastic because the reality is tough to swallow, and i feel sorry for you to believe that. On the other hand could you trust the Governor of California Jerry Brown to stop this mega-wildfire himself without any greater government intervention and resources being pulled across the country.

A mixture of idiotic lack of accountability & ineptitude consolidates it as a stupid idea.

[Takeguru]

Yeah but then all of New York wouldn't be paying for a stupid windfarm that only NYC gets to use

They can keep the power, but how about we keep the fresh water they get from upstate

And more importantly, I was referring to splitting them from the states electoral college votes
Almost all of New York votes republican except for NYC and the other 2, but because they exist the entire state goes democrat, which just adds on to the problem that is first past the post

Or just look at commifornia, a huge portion of it votes republican, but lol LA gives the dems a free 55 votes every election

[IkeTG]

Or just look at commifornia, a huge portion of it votes republican, but lol LA gives the dems a free 55 votes every election

29% doesn't really fall into the "Huge portion" territory. CA just votes predominantly democrat, regardless of where the district lines fall.

[XSI]

>Illegal immigrants vote for the party that wants less border security

In other news, sky remains blue

[Anonmare]

In minor astrological news, scientists report that the solar system we're presently occupying is moving through a large cloud of hydrogen which has resulted in some interesting data on the outskirts of our heliosphere.



And as a minor aside, tomorrow is the last chance of seeing an eclipse if you're in the UK or a country in the same general location as it.

[Malkevin]

The moon eclipse?

[ThanatosRa]

So like. I'm half Puerto Rican does that me my ancestors were conquered?

[Drynwyn]

Every single country in Europe has voter ID
It does not stop the vulnerable people in society from voting
If they stop illegal immigrants from voting, that's the entire point because these are not citizens and you're not letting Russians vote either, are you?

Also that New Mexico camp- Isn't New Mexico a US state? They won't have to cross any sort of protected border

Yes, but Europe has adequate public transport, and adequate numbers of offices, to make ID offices accessible to vulnerable people. In the U.S, poor and black areas are disproportionately under-served by these institutions due to how funds for them are acquired.
Would it bet better to fix this problem by having voter ID laws AND accessible ID? Absolutely!! But that's not what's being put on the table- what's being put on the table are laws that use the lack of adequate governmental services for the economically vulnerable as a political weapon to disenfranchise them.

Voter ID laws in the U.S would not change whether illegal immigrants could vote- they can't vote now because they can't register to vote, because they aren't citizens.

[Malkevin]

A voting system that means less blacks can vote...

Sorry, what was the problem again?

[XSI]

Same as alternate/preference voting
Why would they do that when they're in power now and the new system won't benefit them?

But aside from that, sounds to me like a consistent problem.
Voter ID is absolutely necessary for a democracy, just as removing dead people from voting lists, having a system to count votes that actually works and is transparent (No secrets for the software used in machines, or just good old paper and pen, impartial observers and/or votes reported immediately after the count is complete, a system that does not make people wait hours to vote, and so on)
And most importantly

People who care about society as a whole
But I know that last one is impossible to ask of people these days

[Grazyn]

A voting system that means less blacks can vote...

Sorry, what was the problem again?

AFAIK they don't vote already and black turnout is always extremely low. When they do, they all vote democrat, but the greatest challenge for democrats in every election is to get them to go out and actually cast their vote. Correct me if I'm wrong

[Malkevin]

I thought they'd already worked that out by tricking the blacks into voting for a half Arabian Kenyan

[Grazyn]

Yeah but that only worked once and turnout fell again at the last election, despite the republican candidate being Adolf Hitler reborn. Dems have to literally ferry them to polling stations by charter bus else they just don't vote.

[Super Aggro Crag]

Maybe if they wanted yon blackvote they shouldn't have chosen a candidate who said disenfranchised black youth are rapist superpredators that must be crushed under the heel.

[XSI]

That does tend to make them want to vote for that candidate less

[Takeguru]

The democrats could not have had a worse candidate in 2016

The one person they could have fielded that had a chance at losing against Trump

If only Libertarians had any shot at a federal level seat

[ShadowDimentio]

Tbh Bernie wasn't any better.

[ShadowDimentio]

What did he want to do? Give you better employment security?

He wanted to socialism it up, but all of his ideas were poorly thought out. Worse still he was incapable of making an argument that wasn't demonizing the 1% (which he ironically belongs to with his fucking 3 houses) or insubstantial emotional appeals.

[Takeguru]

The problem with people like Bernie is that they have all these grandiose plans

But never have a plan for where the money will come from

And it's not gonna come from the rich like they want, it's just going to fuck the middle class over because that's who both parties kick around

[XSI]

I've yet to hear a single Trump supporter say they like the tax cuts for the rich or the net neutrality repeals
Still no wall
Still loads of illegal immigrants
Still loads of legal ones too, coming in daily
Still a whole lot of leftism in government and institutions

So Trump's only real victories are small victories, while nothing has really changed.
Maybe during his second term these small victories may grow into bigger ones, but for now it's just business as usual

[ShadowDimentio]

I've yet to hear a single Trump supporter say they like the tax cuts for the rich or the net neutrality repeals

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As to the rest Trump's doing most all he really can as president, it's up to congress to do their jobs and their part but, ha, good luck with that.

[Malkevin]

I'm still not convinced leftism isn't a mental illness.

[youtube]OJ61mQjZvn8[/youtube]

[ShadowDimentio]

Seig heil, fellow centrists

[XSI]

I consider myself to be a centrist. Though I've been called both left wing and right wing a lot

This purely because I consider left-right to be economical and believe the social stuff of lgbt and so on should be on a different scale of progressive-traditional
In which I also consider myself to be centrist. I don't really give a shit about having any of that enforced, just do your own thing and don't bother everyone else with it, then we won't have to put laws in place to force people to do something either
This is considered oppression to the extreme progressives though, how dare I tell gay people to keep it in their homes!

[XSI]

Double post!
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-mexico ... 018-08-08/

Man at filthy New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings, prosecutors say

30 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/ ... 7644348417

BREAKING: Judge allows release of suspects linked to 'extremist Muslim' New Mexico compound ahead of trial.

Judge said although she was concerned by "troubling facts," prosecutors failed to articulate any specific threats to the community

I suppose training school shooters is not a threat to the community?

[Super Aggro Crag]

Literally starve children to death while training them to be terrorists

[Drynwyn]

I consider myself to be a centrist. Though I've been called both left wing and right wing a lot

This purely because I consider left-right to be economical and believe the social stuff of lgbt and so on should be on a different scale of progressive-traditional
In which I also consider myself to be centrist. I don't really give a shit about having any of that enforced, just do your own thing and don't bother everyone else with it, then we won't have to put laws in place to force people to do something either
This is considered oppression to the extreme progressives though, how dare I tell gay people to keep it in their homes!

The issue is that non-intervention in an already slanted scenario is not the same as neutrality.

[ShadowDimentio]

Judges are a joke anyways.

[XSI]

My form of non-intervention is in 'stop other people from intervening as well because otherwise one side will just dominate the other and force them to live by their rules', at which point whichever side isn't winning is going to be very unhappy
Like I'm going to be okay with laws saying they're not allowed to kill/hurt/intimidate or otherwise just fuck with other people purely because of their lifestyle
But I also don't want to force churches to do gay marriage since that's directly against most religious customs. Also won't be forcing a synagogue to hold a christian wedding or anything silly like that
At that point things should be mostly good for both sides, assuming that people actually stick with the laws. Neither side will be 100% happy with this, but I think that the majority will be content enough to not push the matter onto attempting to dominate the other side and at the same time they will be able to live their own life

Though for (gay) marriage, I'd say a good start would be the removal of tax perks and government related bonuses people get for marrying. Clean up the tax code a bit and at the same time disconnect a religious service from the state, thus honouring the separation of church and state found throughout the western world. At that point gay people can go marry in any church that accepts them or have a secular ceremony and traditionalists can keep their own traditions.