[daxyeen] Dawson Kanaga - banned after explaining a major exploit to alexch2

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[daxyeen] Dawson Kanaga - banned after explaining a major exploit to alexch2

Post by cxmu » #417155

Byond account: cxmu

Banning admin:
daxyeen

Ban type (What are you banned from?):
the server

Ban reason and length:
See:
While in VR, bought a couple hundred carp and a syndicate quantum teleporter and spent a while teleporting them back and forth while they were absolutely destroying the server with lag. I'm not sure I would've found him if another player hadn't seen it and adminhelped about it. Asked how I found him when bwoinked, which sounds... Bad.

All around rule 1 ban. Has a history of being abusive against others, has at least 4 alts and tried crashing the server. Only for someone else to ahelp about it.

Hippie might be more suited for you.

This is a permanent ban. The round ID is 89253.
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 8 AM EST

Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): Bagil


Your side of the story: daxyeen did not handle this, speak to me or interact with me at all beyond issuing the ban.
If anyone issued a ban, it should have been alexch2 who was the one who actually spoke and interacted with me in-game regarding the issue. The way the ban is phrased is outright disingenuous.

I stopped about after a minute, was egged on by this alleged 'hero' of a player, who 'reported' me, to continue doing it and after getting pinged explained it in full to alexch2 how it was being done, and even set it up again at the request of alexch2.

My biggest concern is: "Asked how I found him when bwoinked, which sounds... Bad." is apparently daxyeen's interpretation of
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As if I am in total awe and shock that the admins have access to the ghost chat and could see a player talking about how he was lagging the server to another player who was laughing about it as well. I can understand this if english isn't his first language, but god damn, how you miss the twenty period ellipsis is beyond my comprehension.


If I hadn't been bwoinked I would have ahelped or talked to someone on Discord about it directly. Not as if I have other things to deal with outside of SS13!

Nowhere in the ban is it specified he had zero interaction with me

& 'Has a history of being abusive against others, has at least 4 alts' has no relevance to this. The 'abusiveness' is setting my name to Zoey Weeb for a single round and getting attacked by an SJW admin which I made an appeal with several people agreeing it is completely ridiculous & the reason I have 4 alts all named cxmu# is because the BYOND Keysmith is an enormous pile of shit.

Why you think you should be unbanned: I discovered a major issue with the VR sleeper (and traitors in general) that could be used to DDoS the server during peak hours, I played around with it at 7 AM, spoke loudly regarding it in the player chat, and instead of being thanked I was banned by a trail admin never even spoke to me (despite what is implied by the ban). If I wanted to be a dick, I could have just gone ahead and set it up in the corner of the map and not said anything in game where every single ghost and admin could see it.

It's not as if I have a history of reporting issues.
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Re: [daxyeen] Dawson Kanaga - banned after explaining a major exploit to alexch2

Post by oranges » #417156

I've spoken to some length regarding this in adminbus but I think the ban is overly hasty, there's no indication that the OP intended to do it maliciously or repeatedly, dax chose to ban them because they didn't like the way the person spoke in ahelps and apparently have had previous history with this guy.

As cap says the punishment should come after the crime, never before.

I'm fully prepared to accept some level of server lag/crashing from players testing exploits as long as they report the exploit and don't continually abuse it.

It is my weighted experience that this leads to faster issue resolution and fix.

I'd rather this than certain underage frenchmen finding the issue and exploiting it repeatedly to crash the server until people figure out what they're doing.

edit: oh and yes this person has reported a server crash exploit to me in the past
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Re: [daxyeen] Dawson Kanaga - banned after explaining a major exploit to alexch2

Post by Dax Dupont » #417157

Alexch2 notified the adminbus about the situation and I took it over.

You've have a bad history, didn't ahelp before/after the thing you knew would lag/crash the server and did it on the busiest server instead of the dedicated testing server we have.

Not notifying the admins and expecting them to just browse logs really feels like it's done in bad faith.

It's evident that you tend to do things mostly to be an ass to people. Things like starting plasma fires like drones, and I'm pretty suspicious about having multiple accounts regardless of you blaming it on byond.

Also I did lower the ban to a month, wilfully trying to crash the server is bad, even under the guise of """"""testing"""""".

Threatening to get an admin deadminned for banning you seems in pretty bad faith as well.

Alas, I'll let the headmins decide this one.

PS: Do note that NO attempt was made to reporting this issue.
PPS: The first part of the ban reason was written by alexch2's, who did interact with you.
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Re: [daxyeen] Dawson Kanaga - banned after explaining a major exploit to alexch2

Post by Dax Dupont » #417158

Also with rule 1 bans prior history is indeed important.
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Re: [daxyeen] Dawson Kanaga - banned after explaining a major exploit to alexch2

Post by cxmu » #417163

The reason I didn't ahelp prior was I didn't expect it to do anything, and thought it was just creating an insanely hot room at first, but as more carps were added, it started lagging and I stopped.

>did it on the busiest server at 7 am when noone is on any of the servers.
Right.

It's evident that you tend to presume things mostly because you can't accept being wrong. You're going through my notes with zero context and quoting the time I tried to set up the incinerator as a drone but had the welder on when refueling it and blew myself up. It got added as a note. Big deal.

The reason I said you would probably end up getting in trouble with this is because you wrote the ban as if you personally were the one who interacted with me instead of being clear that alexch did, did not mention that I explained the entire process to alexch, or that you never once interacted with me regarding the issue except for the moment I let you know on Discord that I would be making an appeal to give you a chance to handle the issue directly. If someone did that in a professional setting and not on a BYOND game from 2002, I can guarantee you that they would be looking for a new job.
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Re: [daxyeen] Dawson Kanaga - banned after explaining a major exploit to alexch2

Post by cxmu » #417164

Dax Dupont wrote:Also with rule 1 bans prior history is indeed important.
No. It's not - it's an appearance ban: I set my name to Zoey Weeb for a single round. Zoey Webb did not complain as far as I know. I specifically asked Arianya if that was the case and it was ignored; the only reason I was banned is because I questioned Arianya's authority and s/he decided to go batshit to prove how powerful they are on a BYOND game.

If I was doing it for multiple rounds and being a real dick, sure, it'd be relevant.



This is also kind of linked to the appeal I made about it, and the rapid decline of tgstation's admin culture. I'd like to add the only times I have been actually banned was twice: once for killing a traitor who ahelped and okand didn't even bother checking their antag status, and the other time after really shitty security pushed me to the point of throwing a grenade they left next to my cell.
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Re: [daxyeen] Dawson Kanaga - banned after explaining a major exploit to alexch2

Post by Dax Dupont » #417165

cxmu wrote:The reason I didn't ahelp prior was I didn't expect it to do anything, and thought it was just creating an insanely hot room at first, but as more carps were added, it started lagging and I stopped.

>did it on the busiest server at 7 am when noone is on any of the servers.
Right.

It's evident that you tend to presume things mostly because you can't accept being wrong. You're going through my notes with zero context and quoting the time I tried to set up the incinerator as a drone but had the welder on when refueling it and blew myself up. It got added as a note. Big deal.

The reason I said you would probably end up getting in trouble with this is because you wrote the ban as if you personally were the one who interacted with me instead of being clear that alexch did, did not mention that I explained the entire process to alexch, or that you never once interacted with me regarding the issue except for the moment I let you know on Discord that I would be making an appeal to give you a chance to handle the issue directly. If someone did that in a professional setting and not on a BYOND game from 2002, I can guarantee you that they would be looking for a new job.
1. 61 people were on at the server at the time
2. You got drone banned, it was not a note.
3. Both me and alex warned you about the rules regarding contacting admins on discord and you ignored it.
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Re: [daxyeen] Dawson Kanaga - banned after explaining a major exploit to alexch2

Post by cxmu » #417166

Dax Dupont wrote:
cxmu wrote:The reason I didn't ahelp prior was I didn't expect it to do anything, and thought it was just creating an insanely hot room at first, but as more carps were added, it started lagging and I stopped.

>did it on the busiest server at 7 am when noone is on any of the servers.
Right.

It's evident that you tend to presume things mostly because you can't accept being wrong. You're going through my notes with zero context and quoting the time I tried to set up the incinerator as a drone but had the welder on when refueling it and blew myself up. It got added as a note. Big deal.

The reason I said you would probably end up getting in trouble with this is because you wrote the ban as if you personally were the one who interacted with me instead of being clear that alexch did, did not mention that I explained the entire process to alexch, or that you never once interacted with me regarding the issue except for the moment I let you know on Discord that I would be making an appeal to give you a chance to handle the issue directly. If someone did that in a professional setting and not on a BYOND game from 2002, I can guarantee you that they would be looking for a new job.
1. 61 people were on at the server at the time
2. You got drone banned, it was not a note.
3. Both me and alex warned you about the rules regarding contacting admins on discord and you ignored it.
I could be mistaken, and there really could have been 61 active players at 7 AM on a Sunday, but I find this kind of hard to believe.

I blew myself up setting up an incinerator and never appealed it because being a drone sucks.

And you "warned me" by being a complete asshole after I gave you a venue to deal with me directly instead of having to do it in public where everyone can see what a mental hobbit you are.

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Re: [daxyeen] Dawson Kanaga - banned after explaining a major exploit to alexch2

Post by Dax Dupont » #417167

At least post your threat.
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You also ignored alexch2's warning in discord.

Yet another, but minor this time, rule violation.
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Re: [daxyeen] Dawson Kanaga - banned after explaining a major exploit to alexch2

Post by Dax Dupont » #417173

Right since you're just gonna shitpost I'll just lock the thread till the headmins have a time to respond it.

As an additional note he keeps sending messages on discord even after being warned again.
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Re: [daxyeen] Dawson Kanaga - banned after explaining a major exploit to alexch2

Post by Armhulen » #417188

i'm with dax here this is denied
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Re: [daxyeen] Dawson Kanaga - banned after explaining a major exploit to alexch2

Post by Rustledjimm » #417312

you know this probably would've been accepted if you hadn't been such a cunt elsewhere.

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