okay sir/madam/preferred pronoun, how would you like your mock meat done?

[Qbmax32]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Don’t care it tastes good

[Lazengann]

Sure but buying a high quality food with wild boar is fine, wild boars get shot from helicopters because their breeding is ridiculous and they keep eating people's crops

[Incomptinence]

a pig is as smart as a 5 year old child
and just as cruel

pepper that pig chopperdave

[captain sawrge]

I declared the flame war over and I wake up and it is still going shame on you

[Qbmax32]

I declared the flame war over and I wake up and it is still going shame on you

Hey man I’m just eating a burger and enjoying the ride

[oranges]

The internet says you can feed a dog a vegan diet, but you should seek expert veterinarian advice first otherwise you will kill your dog

[onleavedontatme]

meat eaters so btfo they can only respond with "I a-ate food!! Y-you t-triggered yet??"

Losing an argument to stickymayhem, how embarassing

[oranges]

take your b12 pills you diet deficient moron

[onleavedontatme]

I eat meat though

[Lazengann]

Murderer

[onleavedontatme]

This but unironically

[Stickymayhem]

Final unbeatable argument:

You have lost an argument against the dumbest person on the server, what is more likely?:

A. You are stupider than Stickymayhem

B. The argument for veganism is so objectively correct and obvious that even a total retard can win arguments with it

Your honor I rest my case

[Lazengann]

I mean you're slinging scientific studies like yugioh cards so I don't know about that one

[SpaceInaba]

animals are gay so I don't value their lives

[Incomptinence]

The more animals we eat the less gay animals there are in the world.

We must absorb them of their sins.

[Stickymayhem]

[img]https://thumb.ibb.co/h5FCeH/A1_FEDAAE_31_CA_4_EE5_894_E_A1_BA86601_A99.jpg[/img]

Good I’m having another just for this thread

Spoiler:

This is a burg nerd

[Lazengann]

Bun doesn't look toasted sir

[oranges]

Final unbeatable argument:

You have lost an argument against the dumbest person on the server, what is more likely?:

A. You are stupider than Stickymayhem

B. The argument for veganism is so objectively correct and obvious that even a total retard can win arguments with it

Your honor I rest my case

C) the smart people aren't bothering to engage with your nonsense

[Stickymayhem]

Bun doesn't look toasted sir

I would normally toast the bun, but I prefer my red onion chutney base on a soft bun. It has been warmed briefly, however. Had I used butter, I would have toasted it.

[Stickymayhem]

Final unbeatable argument:

You have lost an argument against the dumbest person on the server, what is more likely?:

A. You are stupider than Stickymayhem

B. The argument for veganism is so objectively correct and obvious that even a total retard can win arguments with it

Your honor I rest my case

C) the smart people aren't bothering to engage with your nonsense

>450 replies

[oranges]

both burgers look good

[onleavedontatme]

[img]https://thumb.ibb.co/h5FCeH/A1_FEDAAE_31_CA_4_EE5_894_E_A1_BA86601_A99.jpg[/img]

Good I’m having another just for this thread

This is an incredibly sad looking burger

[Lazengann]

Yeah sticky's burger was way better I wouldn't even call qbmax's a burger

[Grazyn]

My serious take on the issue: vegans don't consume anything animal, not just food, they don't use those products because it's healthier, but because they care about animals suffering and don't want to be part of the system. Dumping tons of studies to convince non-vegans of the negative health effects of animal products is futile because it obviously doesn't include everything from meat to honey and silk. It's a radical ideology and if someone doesn't care about animals in the first place they won't be convinced by bogus studies.

Vegetarianism, on the other hand, is actually a healthier lifestyle than meat-eating and doesn't require an ideology behind it, you could give no fucks about animals and still enjoy vegetarianism for the tangible benefits it will have on your health.

[oranges]

Final unbeatable argument:

You have lost an argument against the dumbest person on the server, what is more likely?:

A. You are stupider than Stickymayhem

B. The argument for veganism is so objectively correct and obvious that even a total retard can win arguments with it

Your honor I rest my case

C) the smart people aren't bothering to engage with your nonsense

>450 replies

I said the smart people

[captain sawrge]

Sticky I still have half a block of tofu what should I cook with it send tweet

[Stickymayhem]

My serious take on the issue: vegans don't consume anything animal, not just food, they don't use those products because it's healthier, but because they care about animals suffering and don't want to be part of the system. Dumping tons of studies to convince non-vegans of the negative health effects of animal products is futile because it obviously doesn't include everything from meat to honey and silk. It's a radical ideology and if someone doesn't care about animals in the first place they won't be convinced by bogus studies.

Vegetarianism, on the other hand, is actually a healthier lifestyle than meat-eating and doesn't require an ideology behind it, you could give no fucks about animals and still enjoy vegetarianism for the tangible benefits it will have on your health.

Veganism is healthier than vegetarianism without question

>Remove half the cholesterol and fat garbage from your diet
>Improvement
>Remove all the cholesterol and fat garbage from your diet
>Somehow less healthy!?!?!

The animal nazis tricked you

If you don't care about animals to the extent that you wouldn't intervene in preventing animal abuse you're aware of you're psychopathic enough that I'd probably avoid you anyway

Just because that animal abuse has been distanced from you doesn't make it better

[captain sawrge]

Not at all what I asked but thanks for the answer nonetheless

[Grazyn]

The other problem with veganism: it's a gateway eating disorder to other, more serious eating disorders. You start with veganism, you are exposed to the usual echo chambers and you may progress to raw veganism, then to fruitarianism, then to apple-only diet, and finally to breatharianism and death.

[Stickymayhem]

Sticky I still have half a block of tofu what should I cook with it send tweet

A dusting of cornflour before frying up tofu makes it amazingly crispy and delicious. Do it with your meaty flavouring of choice and throw it in with some rice or noodles, or just have on the side as crispy tofu steaks if you want bigger slices.

[captain sawrge]

I don't have any corn flour just normal kind should I go try to find some or will something else work

By meaty flavouring do you mean like steak spice?

[Stickymayhem]

The other problem with veganism: it's a gateway eating disorder to other, more serious eating disorders. You start with veganism, you are exposed to the usual echo chambers and you may progress to raw veganism, then to fruitarianism, then to apple-only diet, and finally to breatharianism and death.

This is a problem with DIETARY VEGANISM really known as a plant-based diet. And it's true of any other fad diet. Many bad vegan diets exist, but veganism is not a diet, it's a lifestyle for preventing harm and exploitation to animals wherever you reasonably can.

Eliminating the carcinogenic, cholesterol filled, fatty, high-sodium foods from your diet are always going to make you healthier. And oh look, it happens to be that the vast majority of these are most prevalent in common animal products like dairy, eggs and meat. Even the 'healthiest' meats are only healthy by comparison with the worst, and not with plant-based alternatives (Disregarding vegan junk food).

I don't like to argue about the health benefits TOO much because it's boring and selfish and relapse rates for people on a plant-based diet who call themselves vegan is much higher than those doing it for selfless reasons like the environment or the animals.

[Stickymayhem]

I don't have any corn flour just normal kind should I go try to find some or will something else work

By meaty flavouring do you mean like steak spice?

yeah whatever stuff you'd put on meat to flavour it how you want.

I swear by vegeta which is a Croatian spice my mum used to put on chicken. It's vegan and makes tofu taste fucking delicious, but you can use whatever you prefer.

Steak spice sounds like it'd work fine.

Regular flour is ok, but it's not thin enough to stick to it without some kind of liquid base that would normally be egg, so you might need to consult the egg replacement chart for a batter

[Grazyn]

What about liquid smoke?

[Stickymayhem]

What about liquid smoke?

I bought this liquid smoke as a marinade for a piece of tofu. It absorbed readily, the white bean-flesh slurping up the dark, salty, resinous tar of Stubb's Hickory Liquid Smoke. There was something brutally poetic about the combination - a ying and yang of empty solid and fluid congested with flavour. This was a taste I will not soon forget. I am a vegetarian and I owe it to reading lyrics by anarchy-punk bands when I was very young. That’s a political decision, it was then and I still think it is now. Most politics link to dogma and stance and, for me, a philosophy of living is more important than a political stance. Music helps that, to encourage living and fostering a philosophy of life. Can music bring about change? I’ve seen this argument before. I don’t think so. It can start a few fires, cause triggers in the mind. Without music at that young age I wouldn’t have been a vegetarian which I am very proud and happy to be. Music can be an influence.

In some ways this liquid smoke imitated the flavours of meat scorched into my early childhood memories, but in doing so becomes imbued with shame. Is it wrong for me, as a vegetarian and cutting-edge dub producer with countless releases on labels like Ninja Tune, to crave the tastes of barbecued flesh? Perhaps, and this is why this product lost a star.

For some reason this was the first review on amazon

[Grazyn]

I was mostly thinking about french fries which taste kinda good with liquid smoke topping

[Lazengann]

cholesterol is the building block for your cells so eating as much as possible must be good for muscle growth right

[Stickymayhem]

cholesterol is the building block for your cells so eating as much as possible must be good for muscle growth right

kek

btw sawrge here's another option for your half a tofu: https://minimalistbaker.com/southwest-tofu-scramble/

Kale is ok but I always substitute baby spinach leaves just cos I like it better

[Grazyn]

The brain is just a big lump of fat if you think about it

[Stickymayhem]

The brain is just a big lump of fat if you think about it

if you think the brain is just a big lump of fat your brain might actually be just a big lump of fat

[Grazyn]

aren't lipids fat? Actually, if you think about it, everything is fat

woah

[Lazengann]

cholesterol is the building block for your cells so eating as much as possible must be good for muscle growth right

this cant be refuted

[Stickymayhem]

I read about 20% of that and it was really badly wrong but not really solveable without solving some deepseated issues you seem to have about this and I've run out of effort

so im only pretending to be retarded haha epic troll

ok you can go home now

ok fine just one thing

your whole rape rant is totally irrelevant i think your comprehension failed a bit there

reread what I wrote. I did not say rape was a perfect 1-to-1 parallel...

actually ive already given up its just no use why bother. you've strawmanned everything i've written you're not even arguing with me you're arguing with bizarro sticky that you concocted in your head that hasnt said 80% of the things you claim ive said

this whole thing started with a retardo strawman and I guess it ends with one so large you could fit 10 nicholas cages inside

[Stickymayhem]

C) the smart people aren't bothering to engage with your nonsense

SHUT UP SHUT UP LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAAAR YOOOOU

My serious take on the issue: vegans don't consume anything animal, not just food, they don't use those products because it's healthier, but because they care about animals suffering and don't want to be part of the system. Dumping tons of studies to convince non-vegans of the negative health effects of animal products is futile because it obviously doesn't include everything from meat to honey and silk. It's a radical ideology and if someone doesn't care about animals in the first place they won't be convinced by bogus studies.

Vegetarianism, on the other hand, is actually a healthier lifestyle than meat-eating and doesn't require an ideology behind it, you could give no fucks about animals and still enjoy vegetarianism for the tangible benefits it will have on your health.

Thank you for saying it's radical. I can accept vegetarianism more than Sticky's veganism because it does not get rid of any animal except perhaps pigs. Though everyone says pigs are intelligent. And I don't know why anyone would keep pigs around once bacon's off the menu. I still don't understand the ethics of "Killing for food isn't ethical" whilst dooming the species to go the way of the British lynx is.

I also don't understand why Sticky claims you can have a well balanced vegan diet whilst claiming you can't have a well balanced omnivorous diet. That and he's in the camp of fat = bad.

You posted the same "but animals die in nature" thing again without answering the question nice

>lol it barely happens

The industries themselves seem to disagree with you since they push laws criminalizing the undercover filming of the abuse.

>they are dumb it doesnt matter

Have you ever actually interacted with an animal?

Tell me. Do you believe in the vegan mindset. To remove everything for the animal to exist because it is killed early in life or because some people abuse their animals?

Or do you believe in better industrial regulation? Sticky does not, Sticky cares only for removal. Pull your finger out and stop calling everyone else evil with rhetorical questions.

meat eaters so btfo they can only respond with "I a-ate food!! Y-you t-triggered yet??"

Losing an argument to stickymayhem, how embarassing

I wish you weren't here just to shitpost whilst defending someone who isn't shitposting. I feel people who come here and say they ate meat brought more to the table of this problem than you have.

strawman strawman strawman madman

I also don't understand why Sticky claims you can have a well balanced vegan diet whilst claiming you can't have a well balanced omnivorous diet. That and he's in the camp of fat = bad.

strawman strawman strawman madman

[oranges]

stop validating his lack of b12 cosmic you mongloid

[Stickymayhem]

I read about 20% of that and it was really badly wrong but not really solveable without solving some deepseated issues you seem to have about this and I've run out of effort

so im only pretending to be retarded haha epic troll

ok you can go home now

The vegan is faced with an argument that vegan ethics are deeply and inherently flawed. The vegan gives up.

You think that because animals get hurt they should not. The method of preventing harm is to remove the reason for their existence. The perfect and final solution.

The problem is your arguments are based on compassion and the horrible feelings the industry generates yet your solution is equally grim. You demand everyone to choose between perpetual removal or a final removal.

Tell me why the middle ground of industrial regulation is wrong? Why we cannot still have beef, pork, chicken, egg, leather, feather, wool, milk, silk and honey? These things bring joy to the world and are cheaper or have differing qualities to alternative products.

You never answered me about pets, recreation, law enforcement, medical testing and now I shall add zoos. You never said if these must go or if they must not go. You demand removal of animal harm. That will remove these.

the madman constructs reams of madness I never said to create a strawman that somehow reproduces more strawmen into a full colony of strawmen

the vegan sees the army of strawmen and exasperated, gives up, because he doesn't even exist in the same reality as the madman

if i wasnt protein deficient I might have the energy for this fight but sooooo weaaaaak

[oranges]

he's not responding to your arguments because he's not really committed to the cause, he just brings up the three same arguments about calf's, chicken and pigs until you either get bored and tell him to stfu or he wins out of sheer intolerableness

[Incomptinence]

Did you know there is a REAL vegan meat?
Human!

The more humans you eat the less animals suffer being exploited to supply those carnist scum.
Jeffrey Dahmer deserves a posthumous nobel peace prize for his humanitarian work.

[oranges]

Then can he be banned from the forums and the discord?

I said time and again, he only talks to spout veganism and then dive into I was just pretending to be retarded, thus invalidating everything he and you said. Which is also why I got so passionate about this. He produces nothing of good intent here.

bro where do you think you are, it's the NTR hut, just post memes like the rest of us

[Stickymayhem]

I read about 20% of that and it was really badly wrong but not really solveable without solving some deepseated issues you seem to have about this and I've run out of effort

so im only pretending to be retarded haha epic troll

ok you can go home now

The vegan is faced with an argument that vegan ethics are deeply and inherently flawed. The vegan gives up.

You think that because animals get hurt they should not. The method of preventing harm is to remove the reason for their existence. The perfect and final solution.

The problem is your arguments are based on compassion and the horrible feelings the industry generates yet your solution is equally grim. You demand everyone to choose between perpetual removal or a final removal.

Tell me why the middle ground of industrial regulation is wrong? Why we cannot still have beef, pork, chicken, egg, leather, feather, wool, milk, silk and honey? These things bring joy to the world and are cheaper or have differing qualities to alternative products.

You never answered me about pets, recreation, law enforcement, medical testing and now I shall add zoos. You never said if these must go or if they must not go. You demand removal of animal harm. That will remove these.

Actually to be fair you summed up your points reasonably here lets keep it from getting over bloated

I think we should stop DELIBERATELY INTENTIONALLY hurting animals. Veganism is about preventing harm and exploitation. The biggest harm and exploitation is the billions of animals we breed to exploit and harm. Veganism is almost entirely focused on this aspect because it's the biggest problem to solve first. Once it's solved we'll worry about the next biggest thing and so on. This is where the fight is.

The problem is your arguments are based on compassion and the horrible feelings the industry generates yet your solution is equally grim. You demand everyone to choose between perpetual removal or a final removal.

My solution is simple: Stop paying people to intentionally deliberately harm animals. This is where 90% of your harm to animals comes from: Your diet. So improve the situation by 90%. That's all. No world scale deletion. Calm down

Tell me why the middle ground of industrial regulation is wrong? Why we cannot still have beef, pork, chicken, egg, leather, feather, wool, milk, silk and honey? These things bring joy to the world and are cheaper or have differing qualities to alternative products.

They are inefficient due to the basic energy economy of the food chain. There are alternatives that may not taste identical but serve the same purpose, and the exact taste is not worth the suffering and inefficiency. The joy to the world is not worth the suffering they caused, and profit does not mix well with ethics. As long as there is a profit motive to commodifying animals there will be abuse somewhere for the sake of that profit. It's not worth the risk, and I believe the killing is inherently wrong and realistically cannot be done quickly, painlessly with regard for their ethical well being while being done for profit.

I am anti-zoo, I am pro pets that can be put on a vegan diet (So not cats and other obligate carnivores basically) but I believe we should adopt and stop breeding them until we bring the numbers down. Zoos are bad you can research that yourself, the animals get bored out of their minds in many of them. Medical testing is ineffective on animals I elaborated on this elsewhere. I have no opinion on law enforcement I suppose it depends on how the dog is treated and injury rates for them I haven't looked up.

[Stickymayhem]

Then can he be banned from the forums and the discord?

I said time and again, he only talks to spout veganism and then dive into I was just pretending to be retarded, thus invalidating everything he and you said. Which is also why I got so passionate about this. He produces nothing of good intent here.

I don't even know how to format a response to 500 words of your strawman stuff without it being 1000 words of corrections and counter arguments but you kept it simple in that summary so I kept my response simple