Headmin Election General

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:52 pm #39095

Bottom post of the previous page:

>39 votes for HG

I don't even.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:28 pm #39105

IKARRUS VS ANONE

THE RAGE CAGE IS ON

A CHUTES AND LADDERS MATCH

Nienhaus · Post by **Nienhaus** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:11 am #39144

What's going to happen to the votes for HG, are they just gone?

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:26 am #39148

It's a run-off vote. Login to the server, click player votes, and vote again

This time there are only three candidates to vote for.

Nienhaus · Post by **Nienhaus** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:30 am #39150

An0n3 wrote:It's a run-off vote. Login to the server, click player votes, and vote again

This time there are only three candidates to vote for.

Oh, I'll have to do that then. Thanks.

Post by **oranges** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:16 pm #39289

I would just like to post a round of applause for our Fat Controller QuartzCrystal, for taking the time to kick the boulder until it rolled down the hill.

(OOC WAS MUTED FOR THIS POST)

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:51 am #39309

To be fair SG had a bit of an angry tirade that started everything rolling.

Quartz has been good about organizing this portion of the forums and keeping people informed.

QuartzCrystal · Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:39 am

An0n3 wrote:To be fair SG had a bit of an angry tirade that started everything rolling.

Quartz has been good about organizing this portion of the forums and keeping people informed.

>not giving me full credit

No but yeah, Subtle started this with the Headminstration 2.0 thread, I just kept it going to the logical conclusion.

Bluespace · Post by **Bluespace** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:58 pm #39379

When does the second vote end? I've heard differing information.

QuartzCrystal · Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:35 pm

If you go into the poll ingame it says it ends at 2014-10-31 23:59:59 server time.

Pandarsenic · Post by **Pandarsenic** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:21 pm #39394

For the admins' vote: if we use Preferential/Instant-Runoff (Australia style woop woop), sent to 1-2 coordinators + SoS for verification, we can have an anonymous list of preferences sent to the people taking the votes, then post the individual ballots but not the names attached, so each person can (in theory) recognize their own ballot and have our total listing verified by hostman. We would then, well, use an instant runoff process as mentioned. We can even run it concurrently with the vote for HG to be the coder Headmin so that we can simply eliminate the coder headmin from the listing because Instant Runoff is basically the best electoral system.

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:46 pm #39402

We should use whatever system allows us to sidestep the perceived necessity for "strategic" voting.

Aurx · Post by **Aurx** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:00 pm #39428

Ikarrus wrote:We should use whatever system allows us to sidestep the perceived necessity for "strategic" voting.

That'd be instant runoff. Completely and utterly negates all voting strategy other than "List my preferences in order".

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:57 pm #39433

The problem with instant runoff is that only the second choices of the least desirable candidate are counted.

Lets say there are four candidates. A & B have similar stances (stance X), as do C & D (stance y)

Stance X is more popular with the electorate so first round of voting is thus:
A - 32%
B - 28%
C - 22%
D - 18%

So A is in the lead after the first count but stance X is split between A and B so neither has a majority
D is eliminated but guess who they voted as second choice.

So second round ends up being :
A - 32%
B - 28%
C - 40%

So the candidate which 60% of voters didn't want ends up being elected.

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:08 pm #39436

Yyyyup. Democracy is broken.

QuartzCrystal · Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:30 pm

lol guys everyone knows the best system is proportional representation.

Anyways, admins have a thread to discuss how we'll vote in the secret admin forums.

Incomptinence · Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:35 pm

Your example is incorrect. C would actually be eliminated before ballot conclusion leading to a next step where the next preference of their vote would decide the ultimate conclusion and at the last 2 runner step A or B are likely to have a majority. *

Glorious compulsory vote would be optimal too. Don't vote don't play.

*rare equal number of votes scenario means a perfect 50 50 split could still happen

Post by **MisterPerson** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:50 pm #39445

Malkevin wrote: So second round ends up being :
A - 32%
B - 28%
C - 40%

Then clearly the solution is to simply hold a second runoff and get rid of B. Assuming everyone who voted for B has A as their second choice, you get

A - 60%
C - 40%

Which I think about matches up with what the electors wanted, really.

Incomptinence · Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:54 pm

Why do you only have two preferences initially? Limited pencils due to poverty? Poor numeracy skills?

ABearInTheWoods · Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:28 am

I never got around to posting the post clean votes of round 1:

Code: Select all

+-------+-------------+
| votes | candidate   |
+-------+-------------+
|    39 | AN0n3       |
|    38 | Bluespace   |
|    31 | Ikarrus     |
|    29 | Hornygranny |
|    19 | Pandarsenic |
|    10 | MisterStaub |
|     4 | Comrade Leo |
+-------+-------------+

In sort: Excludes new accounts and throwaway/idle accounts who have not played the game much or at all (ie: likely throwaway/alt accounts). Also excludes all admin and .txt coder votes.
While this likely caught some false positives, any changes to the vote ranking from the pre-clean actually gets investigated to ensure legit votes are counted.

In this case, this did not actually change the ranking at all, as votes of new players, inactive players were evenly spread about. And there doesn't seem to be any suggestions someone tried to rig it. HG/ikky losing so votes was mainly from having admin's vote not counted.

No votes were removed, just excluded from the count. So sos can check all my numbers himself. (nor do I have write access to the game database.)

peoplearestrange · Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:24 pm

MrStonedOne wrote: In sort: Excludes new accounts and throwaway/idle accounts who have not played the game much or at all (ie: likely throwaway/alt accounts). Also excludes all admin and .txt coder votes.

When you say admin votes removed I assume you mean In Game Admins only right? Or does that include ALL admins?

Post by **Jordie0608** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:42 pm #39575

Anyone on the admins.txt.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:41 am #39883

Update on this..?

ABearInTheWoods · Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:10 am

Pre-clean:

Code: Select all

mysql> select count(*) as votes, c.candidate from erro_poll_vote as v left join (select o.id, o.text as candidate, o.percentagecalc from erro_poll_option as o where o.pollid = 105) as c on (c.id = v.optionid) where v.pollid = 105 and c.percentagecalc != 0 group by optionid order by votes desc;
+-------+-----------+
| votes | candidate |
+-------+-----------+
|    97 | Bluespace |
|    96 | AN0n3     |
|    73 | Ikarrus   |
+-------+-----------+
3 rows in set (0.12 sec)

Post-Clean:

Code: Select all

mysql> select count(*) as votes, c.candidate from erro_poll_vote as v left join (select o.id, o.text as candidate, o.percentagecalc from erro_poll_option as o where o.pollid = 105) as c on (c.id = v.optionid) left join (select pp.firstseen, pp.ckey, pp.lastadminrank from erro_player as pp) as p on (p.ckey = v.ckey) where v.pollid = 105 and c.percentagecalc != 0 and p.firstseen < "2014-10-24" and p.lastadminrank = "Player" and p.ckey in (select ckey from erro_connection_log where datetime between "2014-07-24" and "2014-10-24" group by ckey having count(ckey) > 10) group by optionid order by votes desc;
+-------+-----------+
| votes | candidate |
+-------+-----------+
|    78 | AN0n3     |
|    77 | Bluespace |
|    46 | Ikarrus   |
+-------+-----------+
3 rows in set (0.89 sec)

scaredofshadows> yeah let's do another runoff between the two but it should only go until monday around 6pm EST

EDIT: actual sql used to calculate the results have been edited in

Post by **oranges** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:19 am #39895

MMP is the best democratic system

Post by **oranges** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:20 am #39896

17:20 <+oranges> MrStonedOne: are you able to expand on why ikkarus had so many
bogus votes?
17:20 < Ikarrus> admin votes
17:20 <%MrStonedOne> admin votes were excluded

Bluespace · Post by **Bluespace** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 5:15 am #39901

I asked many an idler to vote for me, no wonder so many votes disappeared.

AN0n3 one-upping me like a pro.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 5:53 am #39904

Yeah this is a bit whacked. I just walked in the door and sat down to a bunch of people like "HAIL THE NEW HEADMIN" and there's only a single vote margin. That's not cool.

If it's alright with everyone I think we should do a third runoff vote just between Bluespace and myself. For all intents and purposes 78 vs 77 is just another tie.

Bluespace · Post by **Bluespace** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:40 am #39934

After a fair bit of thought, i've decided to concede to An0n3. (who won anyway)
All hail new headmin An0n3.
Here's to the future.

QuartzCrystal · Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:38 pm

And that concludes the player vote for headmin.

Stay tuned for the results of the coder and admin votes, soon we will have our triumvirate.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 6:32 pm #40000

I appreciate everyone voting for me, but I'm also aware of the many number of people who didn't. I'm going to do my best to look at Bluespace's platform and incorporate as much of that as I can in an effort to provide a result that more players can be satisfied with. I'm aware you can't make everyone happy all the time, but looking at the numbers I'm keenly aware that there are more people who did not vote for me than did.

It's the goal of a good leader to do right by everyone, not just their constituents. So I'll strive to maintain a policy that is true to my own standards while also incorporating more of the ideas of my competitors.

Thank you.

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:51 pm #40032

An0n3 wrote:I appreciate everyone voting for me, but I'm also aware of the many number of people who didn't. I'm going to do my best to look at Bluespace's platform and incorporate as much of that as I can in an effort to provide a result that more players can be satisfied with. I'm aware you can't make everyone happy all the time, but looking at the numbers I'm keenly aware that there are more people who did not vote for me than did.

It's the goal of a good leader to do right by everyone, not just their constituents. So I'll strive to maintain a policy that is true to my own standards while also incorporating more of the ideas of my competitors.

Thank you.

this right here is why you deserve this position
you actually care about the players and what they think is right

Post by **Jordie0608** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 5:42 am #40144

How many abstain votes were there?

jyxpe · Post by **jyxpe** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:38 am #40174

Why the hell are having a triumvirate for a bloody futuristic space station?

Comrade Leo · Post by **Comrade Leo** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:12 am #40195

jyxpe wrote:Why the hell are having a triumvirate for a bloody futuristic space station?

Check out this guy who hates murica and freedums.

Comrade Leo · Post by **Comrade Leo** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:21 am #40200

Violaceus wrote:>murica
>freedoms

Pick one, you silly.

You are the reason the e-terrorists win against this glorious G-d fearing nation.

QuartzCrystal · Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:31 pm

I'll be updating the second OP with the results from the coder and admin votes as they become official.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:08 pm #41544

I dunno I think tonto's gonna win the coder vote guys HG has some real competition

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:16 pm #41584

QuartzCrystal wrote:IT WOULD APPEAR HORNYGRANNY HAS WON THE CODER VOTE!

So surprise. Many shocking.

peoplearestrange · Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:57 pm

Though I did not vote for you, I'm happy with the result. Good luck with the new position!

QuartzCrystal · Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:07 pm

QuartzCrystal wrote:THE ADMIN VOTE HAPPENED OVER THE WEEKEND, THEY HAVE VOTED FOR IKARRUS!

Triumvirate complete. Thanks for coming out everybody.

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:51 pm #42496

and nobody was surprised about any of the results

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:36 pm #42519

At least it happened.