Character traits

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:48 am #386533

The traits PR was recently merged, so it should hit the live servers soon. Feel free to report any bugs, give ideas, thoughts, and feedback, and suggest improvements here.
Wiki page for anyone who isn't aware what they are.

Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:43 am

Very excited to try these out. Can't wait for moodlet integration

Post by **MMMiracles** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:34 am #386584

This doesn't seem to warrant enough of an issue as it feels more like oversight/intentional design, but traits you lose upon becoming an antag aren't given back if you happen to be de-converted back to the crew side. This is mainly an issue with mid-round conversions where a person can easily flip-flip between crew/antag depending on the situation. Maybe mid-round conversions shouldn't remove applicable traits? It might cause an issue for the converter getting a potentially shittier convert, but that is already basically a thing when you account for individual player skill.

SpaceInaba · Post by **SpaceInaba** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:27 pm #386661

I think it should only strip traits for nuke ops tbh

Hathkar · Post by **Hathkar** » Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:26 am #386965

Pacifists aren't able to perform surgery as easy: Can't aggressive grab to get someone onto the surgery table. You either need someone else to put the patient there, or if you're lucky, have the patient conscious.

Bawhoppennn · Post by **Bawhoppennn** » Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:50 am #386980

A coder made the wiki page for their feature? What year is this, 3018?

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:49 am #386999

A lot of small crap doesn't have much of an impact, but this is a feature that affects every character, every round, all the time. It's kind of necessary to add some sort of documentation for it.

EagleWiz · Post by **EagleWiz** » Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:10 am #387040

Xhuis wrote:A lot of small crap doesn't have much of an impact, but this is a feature that affects every character, every round, all the time. It's kind of necessary to add some sort of documentation for it.

someone tell kevin

Lumbermancer · Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:29 am

Xhuis wrote:but this is a feature that affects every character, every round

Could It be separated for Clowns and Mimes?

EagleWiz · Post by **EagleWiz** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:13 pm #387396

Heavy sleep is a free point.
Social Anxiety is a free point if you don't intend to do much talking. This is an actual playstyle, and its awful and really shouldnt be rewarded. Especially bad is when I see heads of staff with Social Anxiety - it doesn't add RP, it lets people take communication as a dump stat. Remove that trait.

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:11 pm #387412

Fuck that, I love social anxiety, it's probably one of the best traits in the game right now. Even if you're so thick that you never breathe a sentence to people that isn't "HELP" or "OPEN", if you retreat into yourself as you get prodded and stripped of your headset you're fucked, which is a real downside (that has happened to me)

SpaceInaba · Post by **SpaceInaba** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:21 pm #388636

dumb trait idea I thought of that would add interesting gameplay maybe idk im just posting this before I forget: ocd +2 points
gives you like 2-3 random nervous habits you have to conform to or you'll have a panic attack which stuns you for a bit
examples could include:
have to open and close a door 3 times before walking through it
when you wash your hands you have to wash them 5 times
you always have to take off your shoes before going through a doorway
you must have an odd/even number of items in your inventory
you cant open red doors without having gloves on
and more

Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:29 am

Autism trait that you acquire by spending over 20 minutes in atmospherics

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:40 pm #388855

Tunnel Vision: Using any console/vending machine/etc reduces your vision range to only your present tile until you stop using the machine.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:49 pm #388995

Is the low light vision still broken? Because I can't tell the difference at all

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:03 am #388998

NV isn't broken, it should work fine

Post by **Armhulen** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:23 am #389002

cedarbridge wrote:Tunnel Vision: Using any console/vending machine/etc reduces your vision range to only your present tile until you stop using the machine.

actually a fucking awesome idea

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:55 am #389062

Wimpy: a watered down version of pacifist, firing a gun gives you a temporary form of PTSD (eg. vision shakes, you vomit and hallucinate people attacking you). Also the recoil bruises your shoulder giving you 1-2 brute damage per shot. And you get a negative moodlet on top of that

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:10 am #389063

Grazyn wrote:Wimpy: a watered down version of pacifist, firing a gun gives you a temporary form of PTSD (eg. vision shakes, you vomit and hallucinate people attacking you). Also the recoil bruises your shoulder giving you 1-2 brute damage per shot. And you get a negative moodlet on top of that

Reminds me of
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Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:17 am #389064

it's actually inspired by http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/f ... -1.2673201

Super Aggro Crag · Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:15 pm

@xhuis new trait idea
Dander Allergy: Touching or being touched by Ian, runtime, or a catpetson causes your body to create histamine so you get itchy and sneezy

JStheguy · Post by **JStheguy** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:53 pm #389659

Grazyn wrote:it's actually inspired by http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/f ... -1.2673201

So basically the wimpy trait should also make you call every weapon an AR-15?

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:05 pm #389665

Super Aggro Crag wrote:@xhuis new trait idea
Dander Allergy: Touching or being touched by Ian, runtime, or a catpetson causes your body to create histamine so you get itchy and sneezy

how many allergies hav we got, anyway?

Post by **Cobby** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:31 pm #389767

Bring back the gay trait and have it so hugging opposite sex (straight) or same sex (gay) gives you a slightly larger boost to mood (non-stacking) but makes you stutter sometimes (they're cute and you're nervous~)

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:54 pm #389784

Cobby wrote:Bring back the gay trait and have it so hugging opposite sex (straight) or same sex (gay) gives you a slightly larger boost to mood (non-stacking) but makes you stutter sometimes (they're cute and you're nervous~)

Add an asex trait that lowers your mood every time someone tries to hug you, along with potentially stunning you for a second due to cringe.
It's automatically added to wizards.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:19 am #390275

DemonFiren wrote:
Cobby wrote:Bring back the gay trait and have it so hugging opposite sex (straight) or same sex (gay) gives you a slightly larger boost to mood (non-stacking) but makes you stutter sometimes (they're cute and you're nervous~)
Add an asex trait that lowers your mood every time someone tries to hug you, along with potentially stunning you for a second due to cringe.
It's automatically added to wizards.

Slopes

Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:58 pm

Devastatingly Claustrophobic: Can't willingly enter closets, crates, sleepers, DNA scanners, cryo tubes, mechs, etc

Nyctophobia: Only able to walk if in the dark, as you move cautiously and very nervously. Mood debuff as well

Monochromacy: See the world in black and white.

Dr_bee · Post by **Dr_bee** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:23 pm #390544

PKPenguin321 wrote:Devastatingly Claustrophobic: Can't willingly enter closets, crates, sleepers, DNA scanners, cryo tubes, mechs, etc
Nyctophobia: Only able to walk if in the dark, as you move cautiously and very nervously. Mood debuff as well

Monochromacy: See the world in black and white.

these are actually interesting traits. though Claustrophobia would have to be mutually exclusive with skittish, or else you would have people running into lockers and then passing out from the fear of enclosed spaces.

wait. actually, dont do what I just said. That sounds hilarious!

Polyphynx · Post by **Polyphynx** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:38 am #390588

I think getting muted with social anxiety happens too often, or lasts too long.
It feels like playing as a mime half the time, rather than a stammering bowl of spaghetti.

Also it would make a bit more sense to get nervous and screw up talking when you're close to someone/a group of people, instead of also happening when you're alone.

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:55 pm #390778

Polyphynx wrote:I think getting muted with social anxiety happens too often, or lasts too long.
It feels like playing as a mime half the time, rather than a stammering bowl of spaghetti.

Also it would make a bit more sense to get nervous and screw up talking when you're close to someone/a group of people, instead of also happening when you're alone.

That's a really good point!

captain sawrge · Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:05 pm

cedarbridge wrote:
DemonFiren wrote:
Cobby wrote:Bring back the gay trait and have it so hugging opposite sex (straight) or same sex (gay) gives you a slightly larger boost to mood (non-stacking) but makes you stutter sometimes (they're cute and you're nervous~)
Add an asex trait that lowers your mood every time someone tries to hug you, along with potentially stunning you for a second due to cringe.
It's automatically added to wizards.
Slopes

Dont be racist

Super Aggro Crag · Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:19 pm

New trait: racist

If you touch a lizard you get mad and have a seizure

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:57 pm #390802

false
speciesist: if you touch anyone outside your species this applies
racist: if you touch anyone whose skin colour is too different from your own, probably a milder effect

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:15 pm #390807

Fashion plate: You insist upon wearing a certain item of clothing (cosmetic stuff only, no insulated gloves or anything like that; may be best as a whitelist, stocked with some of the more silly stuff). You spawn with it, and get a negative moodlet if it is removed.

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:19 pm #390809

In that vein, something like "Family Heirloom" that makes you spawn with a random doodad would be interesting, that gives you a positive mood if you have it on your person and a negative one if you don't.

Qustinnus · Post by **Qustinnus** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:28 pm #390813

I can't wait to be that dick that steals random relics from people just to fuck with their free moodies >:^)

makes sure there is a horrid moodlet linked to having your relic destroyed, and having an omega side ruin that lets you restore your relic :^))

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:23 pm #390833

I made a PR with some of the traits and balances suggested in this thread: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/36426

Added Family Heirloom, which makes you start with an item based on your job or at random. If you don't have this item on your person, you will have a mood debuff. On April Fools' this can be any item in the game.
Added Nyctophobia, which forces you to walk in darkness and gives a mood debuff while you're in it.
Added Monochromacy, which makes everything appear black-and-white except for lights.
Rebalanced Social Anxiety to function based on people near you.

Image of Monochromacy in action:

Spoiler:

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:02 am #390847

Monochromacy belongs to mimes and detectives.

Dr_bee · Post by **Dr_bee** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:10 am #390852

Make Monochromacy allow you to see red blood for the dramatic effect.

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:14 am #390854

If I knew how to do that, I would, but I don't currently have the knowledge to.

Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:51 am #390949

Detectives need to have sepia vision.

Mickyan · Post by **Mickyan** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:58 pm #391491

Please change the Social Anxiety trait by adding a visible message when you try to speak("*spessman* mumbles something") and/or show the player a message when they can talk ("You feel like speaking again"). Right now when you're trying to talk to someone you have to spam the same message until the anxiety wears off.

Also a Mute trait would be nice for roleplay. Make it start with a stack of paper in the backpack.

Alcoholic trait: start with a bottle of booze, get a negative moodlet whenever your alcohol level is 0

Swagbringer · Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:40 pm

What about a weak heart trait . Getting stunbatoned or tazes has a good chance to put you into cardiac arrest.

A good way to get sec officer's who blaze an taze boinked.

Post by **MMMiracles** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:24 am #392166

Swagbringer wrote:What about a weak heart trait . Getting stunbatoned or tazes has a good chance to put you into cardiac arrest.

A good way to get sec officer's who blaze an taze boinked.

Sounds more like a good way to die 5 minutes in with no fault on the officer's part unless they're actively going around tazing everyone until one drops dead.

Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:36 am

Mickyan wrote:Also a Mute trait would be nice for roleplay. Make it start with a stack of paper in the backpack.

make it so

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:06 pm #392346

Shaps-cloud wrote:
Mickyan wrote:Also a Mute trait would be nice for roleplay. Make it start with a stack of paper in the backpack.

make it so

just play mime lol

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:29 pm #392353

Swagbringer wrote:A good way to get sec officer's who blaze an taze boinked.

I also look forward to the ban baiting.

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:39 pm #392396

Qbopper wrote:
Shaps-cloud wrote:
Mickyan wrote:Also a Mute trait would be nice for roleplay. Make it start with a stack of paper in the backpack.

make it so
just play mime lol

Using a PDA as a mime is cheating

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:20 pm #392460

your mom is cheating

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:10 pm #392513

DemonFiren wrote:Monochromacy belongs to mimes and detectives.

skyrim belongs to the nords