why should drones be valid

[captain sawrge]

Bottom post of the previous page:

I feel like this policy only causes headaches and shitty situations. Assuming drones are just doing drone things why should people get to fuck with them especially considering they have zero recourse

[Cobby]

I thought we explicitly allowed for validing drones when they had something you wanted, you just can't kill them for LITERALLY NO REASON?

[cedarbridge]

I thought we explicitly allowed for validing drones when they had something you wanted, you just can't kill them for LITERALLY NO REASON?

This is what I understood too. Drones are presumed valid so long as there is something that passes for a reason beyond "Fuck drone lmao"

[Dax Dupont]

I thought we explicitly allowed for validing drones when they had something you wanted, you just can't kill them for LITERALLY NO REASON?

This is what I understood too. Drones are presumed valid so long as there is something that passes for a reason beyond "Fuck drone lmao"

Like all of the ghost roles.
Well except for ashwalkers, those are valid salid.

[ShadowDimentio]

I feel like this policy only causes headaches and shitty situations. Assuming drones are just doing drone things why should people get to fuck with them especially considering they have zero recourse

Because drones can be extremely annoying sometimes and there's pretty much no way to stop them short of killing them or ahelping.

[Dr_bee]

I feel like this policy only causes headaches and shitty situations. Assuming drones are just doing drone things why should people get to fuck with them especially considering they have zero recourse

Because drones can be extremely annoying sometimes and there's pretty much no way to stop them short of killing them or ahelping.

The problem of being able to kill them for reasons besides "they stole from me or fucked with my stuff" is that you can never tell if they are murdering the drones 4noraisen because they can just use any excuse and get away with it.

Drones can be dicks sometimes, I know, I play one a lot. Best policy I would have would be just stupidly relaxed escalation rules. If you start shit with drones, you are in the wrong, but if the drone wrongs you then you can smack it.

So basically you cant murder them to loot them unless you are an antagonist.

Or maybe remove the vision filter on drones so they can better stay away from people, you cant tell if someone is hostile to anything with that damn filter.

[feem]

I never said it was bannable

Not everything players do is bannable but not everything players do is something players should make a habit of doing

Someone who walks down the hall coming up with every reason they can to kill a drone is fucking up and will get bwoinked

Someone who does it once who cares, sure

But each of those instances is one where, if it's repeated, doesn't have sufficient justification in and of itself to justify continuing to do so

and that was the point I was trying to make

Those things are not justifications to say "i must and will kill this drone now," they're reasons why you COULD end up killing a drone

Literally no one's going to give you shit if you do the things I didn't bwoink at, but if you do the things I did bwoink at it'd better be situational instead of 'well obviously i killed them' and that's the attitude the player i was responding to was giving off.

[PKPenguin321]

Backpedaling

*bwoink*

[ShadowDimentio]

There's no reason for drones to not be valid besides some dicks hunting them for loot, which I would argue is fair enough. It's a meme ghost role centered around minimal involvement, the drones being valid gives them incentive to stay the hell away from everyone because at any moment someone could kill you for loot.

[feem]

Backpedaling

*bwoink*

no, you just played the stupid fucking "everything is a ban" and "all situations are identical" card that meme players pull

everything I just said is literally the same as what I meant this morning when talking to a player who was describing all the ways he gets his rocks off killing drones, and before you decided to do whatever it is you did

[oranges]

the problem is if you unvalid them, then you have to deal with the reverse situation where they fuck about and break their laws and players can't just make them blow up

It's a toss up as to which generates more ahelps

[feem]

yeah and this really all just comes down to rule 1 anyway

dear players: just don't be the kind of dick that deprives people of their game

[CPTANT]

The only major contribution drones seem to make to the game is producing salt and policy discussion threads.

[Atlanta-Ned]

dear players: just don't be the kind of dick that deprives people of their game

Excuse me how dare you

The only major contribution drones seem to make to the game is producing salt and policy discussion threads.

[oranges]

On the balance of it, given that drones can pretty easily respawn and run away from humans, I think they should be left valid, with rule 1 used to give out day bans for people who go out of their way to fuck with them.

socialise that people can ahelp really bad incidences of abuse and they should die off.

[Dr_bee]

On the balance of it, given that drones can pretty easily respawn and run away from humans, I think they should be left valid, with rule 1 used to give out day bans for people who go out of their way to fuck with them.

socialise that people can ahelp really bad incidences of abuse and they should die off.

They cant run as fast as they used to and it makes running away significantly harder. You cant even reliably run away from mobs anymore.

[cedarbridge]

On the balance of it, given that drones can pretty easily respawn and run away from humans, I think they should be left valid, with rule 1 used to give out day bans for people who go out of their way to fuck with them.

socialise that people can ahelp really bad incidences of abuse and they should die off.

They cant run as fast as they used to and it makes running away significantly harder. You cant even reliably run away from mobs anymore.

You're not intended to ever be anywhere that you should have to run away from anything.

[RandomMarine]

You're not intended to ever be anywhere that you should have to run away from anything.

If you're not regularly running away from carp that you can't even tell is dead or not then you haven't played drone much, have you?

[Dr_bee]

On the balance of it, given that drones can pretty easily respawn and run away from humans, I think they should be left valid, with rule 1 used to give out day bans for people who go out of their way to fuck with them.

socialise that people can ahelp really bad incidences of abuse and they should die off.

They cant run as fast as they used to and it makes running away significantly harder. You cant even reliably run away from mobs anymore.

You're not intended to ever be anywhere that you should have to run away from anything.

I once was murdered as a drone while repairing the brig by the HoS's damn spider.
And carp are a constant threat when you do repairs.

Do you even play drone? you have one defense, running away, you cant kill the mob and you cant call for help.

[cedarbridge]

Do you even play drone? you have one defense, running away, you cant kill the mob and you cant call for help.

I was part of the original animus for adding drones to the game and played them near constantly for several months. Yes, I've played drone a few times and know how they respond and react.

[feem]

the last three rounds i've attempted to play drone i was killed for no reason; repeatedly by detonation fnr in the same round by a non-antag AI, by a non-antag assistant while i was repairing windows in escape that had been hit by a meteor, and again by a non-antag assistant who'd broken into science when i was repairing damage from a toxins explosion.

a lot of the people i've seen who kill drones nonstop really seem to be the same people who go out of their way to valid anyone they can and who start fights randomly around the station so they can robust whoever takes the bait, or have to be talked out of doing so and have taken killing ghost roles in general to be their new free reign murder simulator.

ghost roles totally have relaxed escalation rules against them, and there are a shitton of situations where you're definitely not going to take any flak for killing any of them, but fucking follow rule 1 and have reasons for your actions

[Slignerd]

Last time I was valided as a drone, it was a lizard warden trying to kill me over a section of gold/silver floors while R&D was starving for minerals, and a borg persistently standing by a robotics console blowing up any and all drones the moment they activated.

So, whenever I hear "keep drones valid, drone lives are cheap", it always raises a number of red flags for me.

[BeeSting12]

Lizard warden: Valid.

Cyborg: Eh, possibly if one drone kept respawning and acting shit.

[Qbopper]

a borg persistently standing by a robotics console blowing up any and all drones the moment they activated.

it's usually a 50/50 chance that when I ask "did you ahelp that" after hearing stuff like this people will say "no" and then I laugh

[Slignerd]

I did, but there were no admins.

[Steelpoint]

People who attack and destroy Drones for no discernible reason at all should be discouraged from doing so. Its disappointing and discouraging to see when people go out of their way to kill a player entity such as a Drone simply because they can.