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ShadowDimentio · Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:16 pm

Bottom post of the previous page:

Yeah man it's my filthy western bias yelling in my ear that people shouldn't be worked like slaves and then discarded and replaced when inevitably something goes wrong

Super Aggro Crag · Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:26 pm

What are you a fucking commie

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:59 pm #340228

ShadowDimentio wrote:Yeah man it's my filthy western bias yelling in my ear that people shouldn't be worked like slaves and then discarded and replaced when inevitably something goes wrong

do you think any government actually fundamentally cares about you or me?

we're fucking statistics to them, the only reason our quality of living is so high was because of the early 20th century forced governments to make our quality of living better because they needed healthy soldiers for total war. if governments could take that away and save money they would 100% do it without a second thought but we don't like people giving us something and then pulling it from under us. in a democracy that would be political suicide.

look at all the current developing countries, NONE of them are trying to make quality of living better, because they don't need it to make the economy better. focus on the upper echelon because thats what brings the money. you want healthy soldiers? why lol, just get drones, tanks, aircrafts and special forces and you can win any war.

wanting to increase everyones quality of life is a very liberal thought m8, which is something you are VERY VERY against.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:01 pm #340229

u cant just pick and choose "m-muh liberuls" here.

you're either a liberal or youre not lol

ShadowDimentio · Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:30 pm

>Does any government care about you or me

Trick question. They're SUPPOSED to care about you or me, though that doesn't always mean they do, and as far as offenders of this go China is near the top.

Also >I'm not a liberal

Good to know, thanks for telling me what I am

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:34 pm #340237

>they're supposed to care about you

hell no lol you understand everything they do is to extract wealth from us? we're educated because a more educated population produces more wealth. food is subsidised because healthy people are more productive and extract wealth.

don't be so naive to think that for one second any upper level politician is losing sleep over people suffering. they're losing sleep over GDP not reaching target levels or losing sleep over being out competed on the world stage.

you can't have a government in this day and age and still care about people on a personal level. the only way to successfully run a government is to not look at singular cases but look at society as a whole.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:35 pm #340239

if it quacks like a duck and it walks like a duck its probably a duck no?

everything you've posted has been reactionary and neo-conservative as fuck, what do you want me to do? close my eyes disregard everything and state that you're a liberal?

pls bruh

bman · Post by **bman** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:59 pm #340243

>fighting with labels

zionist af tbh

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:02 pm #340244

muslims are all disgusting subhumans and undocumented immigrants are LITERALLY worse than hitler.

but im liberal guys fr fr

ShadowDimentio · Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:07 pm

Don't blow people up and don't break the law

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:16 pm #340247

and above all else
don't try to discuss anything with shadowmemes

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:21 pm #340270

ShadowDimentio wrote:Don't blow people up and don't break the law

what about buddhists tho

should they stop literally genociding people purely on religion?

don't give me that shtick you greasy gremlin, you don't have a problem with people blowing each other up, you have a problem purely with muslims.

ShadowDimentio · Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:28 pm

Them poor muslims who dindu nuffin to deserve any hate RELIGION OF PEAS

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:35 pm #340276

wait

wait

did i just hear the religious equivalent of "she was asking for it?"

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:50 pm #340284

no, because there's nothing like making people vote than saying outright you're going to remove the benefits that people have enjoyed.

im telling you right now, if the government plainly went out today and said "we're going to remove all benefits and the NHS is going to be privatised" the tory party would not get voted in, in fact they would probably lose nearly all seats.

humans are built on the concept of if you give me an inch ill try and take a mile and if you try and take that away im going to be very VERY angry.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:12 pm #340302

Whenever someone is called a liberal

Clarify if you mean modern day liberal(US progressives), or classical liberal(19th century free market advocate) or neo-liberal(Essentially actively trying to get a corporate-ruled dystopia with gems such as 'privatise the water supply!')

ShadowDimentio · Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:30 pm

CosmicScientist wrote:inferiority complex fascist

I don't hate the blacks/jews/gays, BUT

cedarbridge · Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:33 pm

ColonicAcid wrote:euro vs dollar has always been fucked.

tho tbh just because it translate to a lower price than dollars doesn't mean shit lol

1000 korean won translate to less than 1 american dollar but you dont see people going "SOUTH KOREA IS LITERALLY GOING TO CRASH AND BURN"

Nobody says this because the Nork economy is a meme

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:58 pm #340354

Asian currency seems to have this thing about bigger numbers, with Yen and such being big numbers
Actually that might just be Asia in general, western RPGs tend to have small numbers for your health like you get 15 boxes of health or something to fill in when you take damage it's generally a small amount
But Asian RPG stuff gives you a few thousand hitpoints and attacks similarly throw out huge numbers

Super Aggro Crag · Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:43 am

Oh my god

lntigracy · Post by **lntigracy** » Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:32 am #340367

a yen is basically the equivilant of a cent

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:23 am #340419

XSI wrote:Asian currency seems to have this thing about bigger numbers, with Yen and such being big numbers
Actually that might just be Asia in general, western RPGs tend to have small numbers for your health like you get 15 boxes of health or something to fill in when you take damage it's generally a small amount
But Asian RPG stuff gives you a few thousand hitpoints and attacks similarly throw out huge numbers

almost like they're compensating for something...

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:58 pm #340441

Election day.

I can't wait for another four years of leftist conservatives and right-wing social democrats.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:01 pm #340459

DemonFiren wrote:Election day.

I can't wait for another four years of leftist conservatives and right-wing social democrats.

Given the two front runners are a woman and Angela Merkel and both hold up the same policies, Germany is pretty much on course to keep up its downward spiral.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:25 pm #340465

"downward spiral"

so you believe everything you hear from neo-conservatives uh?

well i got a beach house in Nevada to sell you buddy

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:01 pm #340475

Yeah, it's not a downward spiral

It's more like a free-fall without parachute

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:24 pm #340482

ColonicAcid wrote:"downward spiral"

so you believe everything you hear from neo-conservatives uh?

well i got a beach house in Nevada to sell you buddy

you have no fucking idea how rich you're gonna be in this economy

starmute · Post by **starmute** » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:10 pm #340492

DemonFiren wrote:
ColonicAcid wrote:"downward spiral"

so you believe everything you hear from neo-conservatives uh?

well i got a beach house in Nevada to sell you buddy
you have no fucking idea how rich you're gonna be in this economy

Aren't neo conservatives about buying gold and shit like that? I'd have to research it but buying gold was a big thing on both infowars and bill o riley.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:27 pm #340518

starmute wrote:
DemonFiren wrote:
ColonicAcid wrote:"downward spiral"

so you believe everything you hear from neo-conservatives uh?

well i got a beach house in Nevada to sell you buddy
you have no fucking idea how rich you're gonna be in this economy
Aren't neo conservatives about buying gold and shit like that? I'd have to research it but buying gold was a big thing on both infowars and bill o riley.

Neo-conservatives are about WOO MURRICA WORLD POLICE! LETS HELP ISRAEL BY KILLING OFF ALL DEM MUSLIM COUNTRIES! BOMB IRAN!
Non-ironic world police, anti-communism straight from the cold war and being best buds with globalists, bankers and corporations
Buying gold is a theme with them occasionally, but it's more for the alternative-right like ancaps and libertarians who want the gold standard back

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:25 pm #340541

CosmicScientist wrote:
DemonFiren wrote:Election day.

I can't wait for another four years of leftist conservatives and right-wing social democrats.

pls give info only a native knows. Such as what each party is and why the biggest one is black. Black isn't normally associated as being a good colour... or lack of colour.

From what you said I'm going to assume the only colour that's representative is the green party being the environmental/shut down the nuclear plants party. That and the party's name is green. One party simply being called left is an odd one to see.

Union is Conservative, right-of-centre and so Christian it's part of their name (CDU/CSU being Christian Democratic and Christian Social Union, respectively). Under Merkel they've become almost left.
CSU (Bavaria) and CDU (the rest of Germany) don't really like each other that much thanks to Angie's various interesting strategic choices, but they can't really be separated.

SPD is Social Democrats, left-of-centre. Not very far left, though, and willing to bend over backwards if it makes them compatible with the Union because being with the opposition sucks.
Like the Union they've pretty much lost their defining characteristics over the years. Grand Coalition does that to you.

Linke is a whole lot more left than SPD, closer to socialists but mostly not commies (MLPD is for those.)
The only real choice if you're left-wing but don't like the EU. Have trouble distancing themselves from their more violent supporters, as seen in the aftermath of Hamburg.

Grüne, yes, are green.
Fractured, they don't really know what they're doing; they are the other only party you can vote for if you're left-wing and like the EU.

FDP is economic liberal and pretty much a joke.
They were utterly demolished in 2013 and haven't really recovered, but are trying to sell themselves. Trying too hard, and it kinda shows.

AfD started as anti-EU bureaucracy, quickly turned anti-refugee, from there on anti-Islam, anti-Merkel, and anti-establishment.
Pretty unstable, change leadership fairly often and don't know if they want to be moderate right or more extreme. As of now it seems they're gonna be more extreme, but that may change very rapidly.

starmute · Post by **starmute** » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:31 pm #340545

XSI wrote:
starmute wrote:
DemonFiren wrote:
ColonicAcid wrote:"downward spiral"

so you believe everything you hear from neo-conservatives uh?

well i got a beach house in Nevada to sell you buddy
you have no fucking idea how rich you're gonna be in this economy
Aren't neo conservatives about buying gold and shit like that? I'd have to research it but buying gold was a big thing on both infowars and bill o riley.
Neo-conservatives are about WOO MURRICA WORLD POLICE! LETS HELP ISRAEL BY KILLING OFF ALL DEM MUSLIM COUNTRIES! BOMB IRAN!
Non-ironic world police, anti-communism straight from the cold war and being best buds with globalists, bankers and corporations
Buying gold is a theme with them occasionally, but it's more for the alternative-right like ancaps and libertarians who want the gold standard back

I was talking about what they advertise, not their world views. I kinda lumped alt-right and neo cons together. Sorry if that offended you.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:11 pm #340555

XSI wrote:anti-communism straight from the cold war

You say that likes its a bad thing

DemonFiren wrote: Grüne, yes, are green.
Fractured, they don't really know what they're doing;

So... every country's green party then.

cedarbridge · Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:45 am

XSI wrote:Yeah, it's not a downward spiral

It's more like a free-fall without parachute

Yeah basically.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:04 am #340579

starmute wrote:I was talking about what they advertise, not their world views. I kinda lumped alt-right and neo cons together. Sorry if that offended you.

Naw, it's just one of those things that helps to get clarified. Neocons tend to flip flop between 'Buy gold everything is fucked' and 'Gold is useless dollars forever'

Malkevin wrote:
XSI wrote:anti-communism straight from the cold war
You say that likes its a bad thing

No judgement on my part. They do tend to be very strongly in favour of capitalism and very strongly opposed to communism though, in practically every way they can be. Even modern ones, though they've learned to not show it as much after being told the cold war is over a billion times

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:49 am #340590

XSI wrote:
starmute wrote:I was talking about what they advertise, not their world views. I kinda lumped alt-right and neo cons together. Sorry if that offended you.
Naw, it's just one of those things that helps to get clarified. Neocons tend to flip flop between 'Buy gold everything is fucked' and 'Gold is useless dollars forever'

Malkevin wrote:
XSI wrote:anti-communism straight from the cold war
You say that likes its a bad thing
No judgement on my part. They do tend to be very strongly in favour of capitalism and very strongly opposed to communism though, in practically every way they can be. Even modern ones, though they've learned to not show it as much after being told the cold war is over a billion times

It usually manifests more of being anti-Russia than anti-communism. Anything to relive those Cold War glory days™ though constantly poking Putin in the chest and fighting stupid proxy wars over bullshit.

starmute · Post by **starmute** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:00 am #340623

cedarbridge wrote: It usually manifests more of being anti-Russia than anti-communism. Anything to relive those Cold War glory days™ though constantly poking Putin in the chest and fighting stupid proxy wars over bullshit.

Anyone in their right mind would be anti-Russia considering our history with them and how they basically have went from "pseudo" communism to a near fascist state. Honestly it really is a irony considering their state propaganda. (in before angry russians)

Proxy wars are fought due to competition between countries for limited resources. Both territorial instinct and competition are part of the human condition; as a result proxy wars are common.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:28 am #340631

i've always said if you think that islam is the end of western civilisation as we know it then you also need to have that same opinion with russia.

because ever since the soviet union has fallen all of russias foreign policy has been "try and become a superpower again" and as soon as they do goodbye west.

InsaneHyena · Post by **InsaneHyena** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:49 am #340635

starmute wrote: Anyone in their right mind would be anti-Russia

Every time I think "Starmute can't possibly top the previous retarded thing it said", and every time I turn out to be wrong.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:41 am #340638

InsaneHyena wrote:
starmute wrote: Anyone in their right mind would be anti-Russia
Every time I think "Starmute can't possibly top the previous retarded thing it said", and every time I turn out to be wrong.

Every time I think "Starmute is easily rivalling Shadowmemes in retardation" and "Hyena might be approaching Craghood in terms of factual correctness" and every time I turn out to be wrong.

lntigracy · Post by **lntigracy** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:53 am #340648

ColonicAcid wrote:i've always said if you think that islam is the end of western civilisation as we know it then you also need to have that same opinion with rrussia

One's a cultural war that's very obviously going on right now, the other is a theorized economic and political war that can be avoided by not pissing in Russia's Cheerios at every given opportunity.

I wonder why people care more about the Islam one??????

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:19 pm #340654

>implying that the last five decades if not more of world history, and definitely the last two, have not involved various countries collectively pissing in the Middle East's cheerios

captain sawrge · Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:51 pm

it is hot as fuck today

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:07 pm #340666

CosmicScientist wrote:Don't worry Firen, you and the French will recreate Charlemagne's holdings and then Russia probably won't have a strong enough military spirit to retake the Baltic states, Belarus, Ukraine and eastern Poland. Or if they do I'd ask if Austria got swole again.

Oh oh oh! Political question time! Why does Russia have Kaliningrad and the surrounding area above Poland and to the west of Lithuania? Is it because Poland needs to hold that land to pass the decision to become the Polish-Lithuanian Republican Commonwealth with permanent claims on all of Lithuania's current holdings? Or is that where Prussian rebels will spawn first because it's under rule of a foreign culture group and Russia would be willing to let them capture the land and form Prussia instead of letting them spawn in Germany because the leader player there would let the rebels siege Berlin to shift the country back to a monarchy with heavy military tendencies? I mean, if Poland had it, the rebels would stomp Poland and tear away the north and west of Poland rather than under Russia's solution, just take Königsberg, rebuild the impossible bridge problem and have to fight Poland for their cores with a measly OPM stack rather than an event spawned doomstack.

Kaliningrad is basically an armed tripwire in the middle of Europe. It's a fortress brimming with nuclear missiles, state-of-the-art SAMs and anti-ship batteries, at the first sign of trouble Kaliningrad will be able to wipe out a good chunk of European forces with conventional power alone before NATO can react and squash it. Nothing says "don't overstep" like a bunch of Iskander missiles aimed at Berlin.

Incomptinence · Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:42 pm

bandit wrote:>implying that the last five decades if not more of world history, and definitely the last two, have not involved various countries collectively pissing in the Middle East's cheerios

Wrong wrong wrong wrong.

The middle east is made of pissed cheerios from the ground up.

The fertile crescent is important to ancient history and shit but at this point entire place has been a mess for centuries before the ottoman's or post ww1 map drawing ever happened.

Fighting over this shitty region is so pointless I say just get it over with exile all humans from the manifestly unholy land then salt the earth / glass the shit pile so our species expends no more resources on this geographical time waster.

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:48 pm #340685

Incomptinence wrote:
bandit wrote:>implying that the last five decades if not more of world history, and definitely the last two, have not involved various countries collectively pissing in the Middle East's cheerios
Wrong wrong wrong wrong.

The middle east is made of pissed cheerios from the ground up.

The fertile crescent is important to ancient history and shit but at this point entire place has been a mess for centuries before the ottoman's or post ww1 map drawing ever happened.

Fighting over this shitty region is so pointless I say just get it over with exile all humans from the manifestly unholy land then salt the earth / glass the shit pile so our species expends no more resources on this geographical time waster.

>forgetting about oil

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:42 pm #340697

careful not to cut yourself on that edge

Super Aggro Crag · Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:35 pm

Why don't we just tell islama that north Korea hates mohammed

FantasticFwoosh · Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:07 pm

Super Aggro Crag wrote:Why don't we just tell islama that north Korea hates mohammed

There was actually a rumored plot to hack the missiles of Iraq and North Korea and make them fire at each other on purpose. Might just be inflammatory shitposting i heard around but yeah, cool beans.

starmute · Post by **starmute** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:08 pm #340750

InsaneHyena wrote:
starmute wrote: Anyone in their right mind would be anti-Russia
Every time I think "Starmute can't possibly top the previous retarded thing it said", and every time I turn out to be wrong.

Russian autism increases.

captain sawrge wrote:it is hot as fuck today

14 C here. 1 C when I woke up

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:33 pm #340768

CosmicScientist wrote: Oh oh oh! Political question time! Why does Russia have Kaliningrad and the surrounding area above Poland and to the west of Lithuania?

In complete honesty, they just sorta took it after WW2 and declared it to be a part of Russia. That's all there is to it. Beat other country, take clay
They've apparently offered to sell it back to Germany at one point but Germany (Read: German politicians worried about having to pander to more voters) didn't want it, so now it's just sorta there and they made the best of it by just building a bunch of army stuff on it
Of course this is not detailed or anything, but I've not really looked into it that much so that's what I can get you on it

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:43 pm #340773

Honestly, the only reason to want Königsberg it's not Kalniningrad fuckdammit back is because it was Immanuel Kant's hometown and Hannah Arendt's, I guess.

Aside from that I've been told it's a shithole.