Sum Ting Wong wrote:cedarbridge wrote:
If only that were true.
CCP has been slowly trying to push players out into nullsec over the last few years. This is important because their marketing MO for the longest time was player told stories and epic confrontations that originated from 0.0
The problem, then, is that CFC has CCP wrapped around their finger. Being the largest presence in the game has earned them friends within the company and the largest voice on the forums. Changes that threaten their monopoly end up being shouted back down or changed for the worse. Nullsec is slowly stagnating because of this.
Except most of those "changes that threaten their monopoly" were either suggested, championed by, or lobbied for by GSF/CFC. Tech? We told CCP that was going to be a problem before it first spiked and they did nothing until OTEC had already done its thing for an eon and we'd even run a stupid ad on the Alliance tourney making fun of it. Remote controlled drone blobs? We even mentioned in the fleet doctrine announcement when we started that stupid gimmick that we were going to abuse it until CCP listened and nerfed it. The forums are noise, we're influential because we're visible so we can effectively lampshade poor balance choices CCP makes and they have no real choice but to do something about it when an entity as large as us abuses it.
ColonicAcid wrote:?
no i'm pretty sure you were a third of the cause
n3dot and pl were the other cause.
you can't deny this, there's even a fuckin treaty you lot signed saying you will not hurt infastructure of any other coalition, plus lmao @ the rage coming from ur side after the jump changes.
Goons were also the main driving force pushing OTEC so yes, charges case set and point m8.
>he thinks the capital jump changes hurt us instead of turning Deklien into an unassailable fortress
Yep, we're super sad our ratters and home region can't be hotdropped from outside normal scouts range. Yep
OTEC was a hoot. It didn't stagnate anything as evidenced by the 3-5 major deployments we had against other coalitions per year while OTEC was active. The fact that we're still subsidizing things like carriers and suicide dreads is evidence that tech wasn't really the decider that everyone made it out to be.
An0n3 wrote:From a detached perspective though, they kind of ruined the game. By bringing such a large community of players from outside the game into the game, they changed the scale of confrontations in game and raised the bar required for trying to get a piece of a lot of what could be considered "end game" content.
It's become a new thing and that's fine but imagine how much better the game would be if all these major coalitions dissolved and were replaced by tiny fractured independents everywhere.
GS proper is only a fraction of the greater GS alliance. Its tricky because my actual corp Merch Industrial is actually a group from the Penny Arcade forums (formerly We Are Nice Guys.) Sure, there's a lot of SA guys and whatnot, but GSA (and moreso the entire CFC) is a pretty big patchwork of entirely different groups hooked by a culture we've actually spent a lot of time working on building. That's really the key to our longevity.
I'm less interested in the "more shitty little groups in a bigger shitfest of little groups" and more on focus on wanting to hold actual possessions. As it is now, space only has value in having a shitton of it and then landlording it out to others. That's how most of the vast null-empires make their gobs of isk now. Its far and away from what many (in GS/CFC especially) have suggested where actually having a home system matters for more than a major trade hub for allied buyers and sellers. As it is now, there's no reason to protect a home system from anything short of a protracted invasion because the "pirates" will just fuck off in an hour or whatever and the ratters can go back to shooting red crosses/running plexes whatever. Hell, most of the space around where I personally dock up is empty and unused (partially because its shit) and partially because nobody has a reason to ever use those systems for anything. If you want more and more compact empires in nullsec, you need to start considering why it is in the interest of those currently controlling large empire to keep them large (and mostly empty.)
