Freon in the vents

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:31 am #316731

I propose a new server rule that says to NEVER put freon in the vents, even as an antagonist, on the grounds of it lagging the server to shit enough to require a restart.

Discuss.

Post by **Armhulen** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:33 am #316732

ban people that use a feature, seems like we should be fixing the feature instead

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:36 am #316734

The only way to fix it would be to remove it, since freon by its very nature requires a huge amount of atmos processing

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:05 am #316736

Freon is a shitty server crashing grief gas

ShadowDimentio · Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:19 am

If a feature is so badly coded that it crashes the server every time it's used, it stands to reason that it should be removed.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:22 am #316767

freon is a goof thing to have around

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:42 am #316781

Banning people for a code issue that isn't a direct exploit is pretty retarded.

Not-Dorsidarf · Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am

Maybe we should ban goofball every time the server crashes / has to be rebooted.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:41 am #316790

But the division between server and codebase is absolute!

InsaneHyena · Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:36 am

>Freezing gas freezes the server
Everything seems fine to me

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:41 am #316796

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:Maybe we should ban goofball every time the server crashes / has to be rebooted.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:19 pm #316809

This is hilarious to me because goofball had a fucking literal fit when freon was removed while he was working on a "fix" but this was months ago and it still causes crashes

Aloraydrel · Post by **Aloraydrel** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:17 pm #316820

It's ok when goof does it.

ohnopigeons · Post by **ohnopigeons** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:46 pm #316825

Anonmare wrote:since freon by its very nature requires a huge amount of atmos processing

Do you have any PROOFS?

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:43 pm #316831

Armhulen wrote:ban people that use a feature, seems like we should be fixing the feature instead

And we also banned people that used pull space walk, and Centcomm shuttle invasions.

There's already precedent for this so I don't know why suddenly the uproar for this.

BeeSting12 · Post by **BeeSting12** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:04 pm #316884

We should still remove the feature until it's fixed or fix it. Having it work on a local server with barely any load for a few hours doesn't mean it'll work with 70 players

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:15 pm #316885

Lol here is a gas, it's only usage in game is now to get you banned.

So why the fuck does it still exist.....

Lumbermancer · Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:07 pm

For supermatter.

Bluespace · Post by **Bluespace** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:34 pm #316934

never forget the freon Shatter Chamber(tm)
so efficient it shatters time itself

kevinz000 · Post by **kevinz000** » Sat Jul 15, 2017 12:54 am #316967

whenever i cry about this i get told "correlation != causation"
go pin down which line of code fucks shit up so we have actual things to argue with.
imo it should be removed, though.

Post by **Armhulen** » Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:42 am #316987

i really like freon tho so pls fixey!

Post by **Cobby** » Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:55 pm #317119

clearly the answer is to replace it with BZ and make BZ have particles shaped like clown masks instead of being invisible.

Dr_bee · Post by **Dr_bee** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:30 pm #317257

I was thinking about water vapor, why not have superchilled water vapor act the same as freon in the supermatter, water can hold a shitload of heat, right?

ohnopigeons · Post by **ohnopigeons** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:50 pm #317273

Dr_bee wrote:I was thinking about water vapor, why not have superchilled water vapor act the same as freon in the supermatter, water can hold a shitload of heat, right?

Water doesn't really hold a shitload of heat, it just holds more than most substances.
The entire concept of freon is "very cold gas has an impossibly absurd heat capacity lol".

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:14 pm #317278

Aloraydrel wrote:It's ok when goof does it.

OhChildflayer · Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:17 pm

Fuck anyone who floods Freon (or plasma, for that matter). You're ruining the round for everyone.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:31 pm #317315

a well-made plasma flood is classic
a well-made freon flood is impossible

OhChildflayer · Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:25 pm

DemonFiren wrote: a well-made freon flood is impossible

Not back when Winter Wonderland was around

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:51 pm #317374

OhChildflayer wrote:
DemonFiren wrote: a well-made freon flood is impossible
Not back when Winter Wonderland was around

So sad I never rolled atmos traitor during the time this was a thing.

I would have just put a scrubber on the holodeck, fill the waste line with freon and then directly wrench it to distro.

Man that brings me back to the fusion times.

OhChildflayer · Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:13 pm

CPTANT wrote:
OhChildflayer wrote:
DemonFiren wrote: a well-made freon flood is impossible
Not back when Winter Wonderland was around
So sad I never rolled atmos traitor during the time this was a thing.

I would have just put a scrubber on the holodeck, fill the waste line with freon and then directly wrench it to distro.

Man that brings me back to the fusion times.

Attach a connector to the distro line, wrench down fan, set to In at max pressure, emag doors to holodeck, hit the freon.

kevinz000 · Post by **kevinz000** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:09 am #317432

OhChildflayer wrote:Fuck anyone who floods Freon (or plasma, for that matter). You're ruining the round for everyone.

Why the fuck did you do it every round then?

Post by **oranges** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:02 am #317464

none of you really have any concept of how the code works, so please refrain from making uninformed opinions.

that is my job

Post by **Cobby** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:30 am #317472

oranges wrote:making uninformed opinions.

that is my job

OhChildflayer · Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:01 am

kevinz000 wrote:
OhChildflayer wrote:Fuck anyone who floods Freon (or plasma, for that matter). You're ruining the round for everyone.
Why the fuck did you do it every round then?

That was the joke. I figured there would be a bigger, better payoff, but I got you instead. You are now my consolation prize.

Ghodere · Post by **Ghodere** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:16 am #317513

Holodeck flooding should be re-added to make people play plasmemes

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:53 am #317517

oranges wrote:none of you really have any concept of how the code works, so please refrain from making uninformed opinions.

that is my job

>Implying anyone understands how any of SS13's code works
We're living in a house of cards held up by RNG, denial and blu-tac.

Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:40 pm

I don't think this is a good idea, complain to the coders.

A hacky fix would be making it so freon entering a pipe destroys itself but freezes the pipe shut or something

starmute · Post by **starmute** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:02 am #320692

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:Maybe we should ban goofball every time the server crashes / has to be rebooted.

Yes

Reece · Post by **Reece** » Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:27 pm #322128

Crack open a server with the boys.

FantasticFwoosh · Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:36 am

As much as i hate to say it, we should probably just bin it since it is collectively making a detriment to the server.

The only other solution is to localise the gas entirely so it can't enter pipes at all under the excuse that the "particles are too dense for the pipes" by blacklisting it, in which case you would need to use gas filters with air canisters attached to effectively scrub out freon and return it to its (or another canister for containment) original canister without using pipe filtrations on the freon itself.

That requires atmos twiddling though.

Tokiko2 · Post by **Tokiko2** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:10 am #322291

I'm pretty sure it's atmos/LINDA , not freon.

Maybe it's worth reconsidering if you really need a costly complex gas simulation that 99% of players and 98% of coders don't even fully grasp or if you maybe should switch to something much simpler and faster. That would probably make balancing and maintaining new gasses like freon much, much easier aswell.

In fact, what use is a complex system if a gas like freon can't even properly utilize a feature said system offers without breaking the server?

Or I might be completely wrong, though this is based on a few hours of testing and profiling.