Addressing the stun meta

[danno]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Also specifically catering for low rp isn't the best

It's better than pretending like we have some kind of plan and continuing to pull the rope both ways the way we are now.
At least if we decide we're low-rp once and for all, we finally have a fucking direction to focus on.

[DemonFiren]

no direction is better than this direction tbh famalam

[Remie Richards]

The only way to make this shitty game and server good is to fire all the coders and retarded admins and have the code be controlled by one person like CM does. But dumbass ledditors like to say "HEH HE MENTIONED CM THAT MEANS HIS ARGUMENT IS WRONG BECAUSE I SAW A POST ON REDDIT SAYIMG THAT IT IS BAD HEH"

t. Someone who has not read this shitty thread at all and just posted because

CM's code isn't controlled by one person??
Wtf are you talking about.

[MisterPerson]

The best idea I came up with on this front is real simple. I don't even know if it's a good idea or not but hey!

You don't drop items just from being knocked down/stunned. You still can't move, but you can act normally otherwise. This includes pulling out items from your backpack, attacking, shooting guns, etc.

Obviously this has implications for security (greyshirts can beat you while you handcuff them, maybe make getting attacked in melee stop the handcuffing action?).

[Professor Hangar]

That's gonna kinda make arresting hard, given every greytider is going to be spamming Disarm like mad.

[MisterPerson]

That's gonna kinda make arresting hard, given every greytider is going to be spamming Disarm like mad.

Shout STOP RESISTING as you harmbaton them to death.

[lumipharon]

Not dropping items (or atleast a lower chance or something) when you get stunned, would actually be a fairly big deal.
Getting disarmed/stunned and then murdered/stunned more with your own weapon happens A LOT.

Still being able to fight/operate items normally while stunned would probably be too much though.
It would also hilariously mean that if you click fast enough/have better ping, you could cuff the officer trying to arrest you before they can do the same to you.

On a marginally related note, I am still waiting for trying to disarming someone armed with an e-sword to have a high chance to fail/cut your own hand off.

[calzilla1]

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can someone please tell me if it is worth it to open this post? Because I am thinking that it contributes nothing due to the person who made it.......

Nope

[Anonmare]

I thought you couldn't attack or disamr someone if you were on the ground? Like if you had both your legs cut off. You can move but you can't harm or disarm

[PKPenguin321]

I thought you couldn't attack or disamr someone if you were on the ground? Like if you had both your legs cut off. You can move but you can't harm or disarm

No, you can still attack from the ground, try resting and disarming somebody. You can't hold things when on the ground, however, meaning you can't really attack with weapons from the ground (exceptions exist, such as things you physically can't drop like chainsaw arms).

[CPTANT]

Hey look another stun thread that led to nothing.

What a surprise.

[Remie Richards]

They will always lead to nothing.
There is no solution to this.
All proposed solutions nobody want's to work on.

[CPTANT]

They will always lead to nothing.
There is no solution to this.
All proposed solutions nobody want's to work on.

Except the 2 shot taser was a perfectly fine change that could have been balanced just fine.

[Remie Richards]

That's just like, your opinion, man

[lzimann]

The 2 taser shot was really bad and pretty much plain stupid honestly.

[CPTANT]

The 2 taser shot was really bad and pretty much plain stupid honestly.

Thats like zero constructive.

You think a weapon that stuns you after 2 shots is fundamentally unusable?

[ShadowDimentio]

Yes when the entire game for the past forever has been designed off the taser being really good.

[D&B]

Maybe if we had a rapid fire burst weapon that stunned when shots are landed like disablers would be fun to test out, since the extra shots per trigger press would make it seem like the chance to hit is higher.

[ShadowDimentio]

That's just dual wielding disablers

[CPTANT]

Yes when the entire game for the past forever has been designed off the taser being really good.

And you are too scared to just take that first step and balance the rest after how it plays out?

[ShadowDimentio]

Why yes I'm very afraid of shattering the balance of the game because like 5 idiots on the forum can't deal with the tazer as it is, especially when you JUST ADMITTED you have NO IDEA how it would pan out

[CPTANT]

Why yes I'm very afraid of shattering the balance of the game because like 5 idiots on the forum can't deal with the tazer as it is, especially when you JUST ADMITTED you have NO IDEA how it would pan out

I did not say I had no Idea how it would play out. I have a pretty good idea of how it will. It will reduce the potency of the stun meta,but only slightly. Lethals will be somewhat more competitive in a firefight. Security might need some slight buff in another area, for example in their laser. Effectiveness change on fleeing targets will be minimal because against those disablers are usually preferred anyway.

[ChangelingRain]

Here's a simple thing; make getting stunned by stamina damage remove most or all of it, because see previous reasons why in the thread.

[CPTANT]

Here's a simple thing; make getting stunned by stamina damage remove most or all of it, because see previous reasons why in the thread.

Yes this is a very good idea.

[Cobby]

When the freeze is over remind me to do ^

I plan on removing 3/4ths of the stam damage you have after you've been knocked down.

[CPTANT]

When the freeze is over remind me to do ^

I plan on removing 3/4ths of the stam damage you have after you've been knocked down.

Personally I would go with half, but just see what you think is best.

The way stamina stuns would also need to be reworked though, currently you just stay stunned until you heal the stamina damage. But if half the damage is reduced after you get up things like getting 101 stamina damage would be weird.

I think Stamina should apply a fixed stun (7 seconds or so) after you reach 100 stamina (or combined) damage.

[Cobby]

When the freeze is over remind me to do ^

I plan on removing 3/4ths of the stam damage you have after you've been knocked down.

Personally I would go with half, but just see what you think is best.

The way stamina stuns would also need to be reworked though, currently you just stay stunned until you heal the stamina damage. But if half the damage is reduced after you get up things like getting 101 stamina damage would be weird.

I think Stamina should apply a fixed stun (7 seconds or so) after you reach 100 stamina (or combined) damage.

The stun is just a 10(100 ticks?) stun so it doesn't base the stun length off stamina damage. It just looks that way because stamina passively heals and the knockdown can be reapplied if you keep passing the threshold.

The point at which you fall over also is based on your health as well so lower health = less stamina damage needed to fall over.

What I didn't find out last night [well tbh I didn't check] was if stamina damage was clamped to 100 or if you could go over.

[AnonymousNow]

There's been various attempts over the years to fix the stun meta, and nothing has succeeded. Disablers put a sizeable dent in it, but then in the end only really contributed to more stuns.

The only way I can think of to actually achieve the aim of killing the stun meta is to throw ideas at the wall and see what sticks. Currently the only one I have is this - flat-out remove all stuns and replace them with more disabler-like functions. Or shorten stuns. Or change stuns to something like the new flash (before the revert).

I don't know, really. At this point, I don't think stuns can be fixed, at not without some radical change.

[CPTANT]

There's been various attempts over the years to fix the stun meta, and nothing has succeeded. Disablers put a sizeable dent in it, but then in the end only really contributed to more stuns.

The only way I can think of to actually achieve the aim of killing the stun meta is to throw ideas at the wall and see what sticks. Currently the only one I have is this - flat-out remove all stuns and replace them with more disabler-like functions. Or shorten stuns. Or change stuns to something like the new flash (before the revert).

I don't know, really. At this point, I don't think stuns can be fixed, at not without some radical change.

The solution is a not shit stamina system.

What objection to stamina based stuns is there when the slowdown from stamina damage is reduced and stamina is halved after the stun from reaching 100?

[FantasticFwoosh]

Strips the Disabler from Human/Cyborg use #29749

[CPTANT]

Strips the Disabler from Human/Cyborg use #29749

Well that is definitely a huge step in the wrong direction.

[Gun Hog]

May the freeze never end such that it may protect us from PRs like that. The less viable you make stuns, the more desired you make the ULTIMATE stun: Death.

[CPTANT]

May the freeze never end such that it may protect us from PRs like that. The less viable you make stuns, the more desired you make the ULTIMATE stun: Death.

Not really since stuns equal death in most situations now and actually critting someone is harder than applying 1 taser shot.

[Cobby]

May the freeze never end such that it may protect us from PRs like that. The less viable you make stuns, the more desired you make the ULTIMATE stun: Death.

Forever stun is a fate worse than death tho