MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Mon May 08, 2017 2:53 pm #300740

Bottom post of the previous page:

Qbopper wrote:so what's the plan operatives

their current legal defense is a hilariously stupid misinterpretation of the license that they could have read the FAQ and realized was wrong, so I'm curious if this will actually escalate

We're waiting for the lawsuit to go through which means lots of motions to dismiss and back and forth.
It's out of our hands technically speaking.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Mon May 08, 2017 3:15 pm #300741

J_Madison wrote:
Qbopper wrote:so what's the plan operatives

their current legal defense is a hilariously stupid misinterpretation of the license that they could have read the FAQ and realized was wrong, so I'm curious if this will actually escalate
We're waiting for the lawsuit to go through which means lots of motions to dismiss and back and forth.
It's out of our hands technically speaking.

Technically its still negotiations. There hasn't been a filing yet.

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Mon May 08, 2017 4:26 pm #300742

Then it's out of our hands unless someone wishes to take direct action.

kust · Post by **kust** » Mon May 08, 2017 5:22 pm #300743

whats the difference between fallout13 and goonstation ? or is goon coded from scratch ? while fallout13 is based of tg/ the old goon release ?

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Mon May 08, 2017 6:02 pm #300744

IIRC gonnstation code traces his lineage back to the original USB drive which was stolen from the creator of ss13

Remie Richards · Mon May 08, 2017 6:05 pm

Grazyn wrote:IIRC gonnstation code traces his lineage back to the original USB drive which was stolen from the creator of ss13

all SS13 does.

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Mon May 08, 2017 6:08 pm #300746

I mean, without branching. Are there even still surviving branches that forked before the first goonstation public release?

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Mon May 08, 2017 6:16 pm #300747

Goon isn't in violation because we're technically a fork of THEM. They can do whatever the fuck they want with their code since it's MIT, and not (A)GPLv3.

kust · Post by **kust** » Mon May 08, 2017 6:31 pm #300748

iamgoofball wrote:Goon isn't in violation because we're technically a fork of THEM. They can do whatever the fuck they want with their code since it's MIT, and not (A)GPLv3.

oh ok. I thought that goon and tg were based on the old build.

Post by **Thunder11** » Mon May 08, 2017 8:21 pm #300749

Grazyn wrote:I mean, without branching. Are there even still surviving branches that forked before the first goonstation public release?

OpenSS13

Bawhoppennn · Mon May 08, 2017 10:54 pm

this is too hype for me

Bawhoppennn · Mon May 08, 2017 10:59 pm

also isn't it DMCA not DCMA?

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Mon May 08, 2017 11:09 pm #300752

Bawhoppennn wrote:also isn't it DMCA not DCMA?

they already know
they just don't give a fuck

Tue May 09, 2017 1:32 am

Grazyn wrote:IIRC gonnstation code traces his lineage back to the original USB drive which was stolen from the creator of ss13

stolen USB story was a myth iirc but i don't remember where i heard that

paging icepacks the ancient one

Oldman Robustin · Tue May 09, 2017 2:20 am

Whats the status of the icons/art though? How much of it is totally original?

TheColdTurtle · Tue May 09, 2017 2:26 am

Ask d4no for how many sprites are original, I know he sprites some stuff like metal armor and leather jackets.

John_Oxford · Post by **John_Oxford** » Tue May 09, 2017 2:28 am #300756

four pages on a oxford shitpost

i've reached a new record

edit: false alarm gunsmithing had 8 pages

420weedscopes · Tue May 09, 2017 3:05 am

Oldman Robustin wrote:Whats the status of the icons/art though? How much of it is totally original?

extreme ballpark number, wjohnston would be able to answer more accurately: about 85% is original (aka: made by the coders, or me/WJ/nienhaus)
we still have turbo old sprites in there somewhere, walls come to mind

Danowar · Post by **Danowar** » Tue May 09, 2017 6:46 am #300758

I only did a chunk of the sprites. The old FO13 build already had a bunch of original assets, so I just contributed what I could. There's a handful of other people that have sprited for the project as well. I'm probably going to hold off on doing anymore work until all this blows over, though.

ABearInTheWoods · Tue May 09, 2017 6:58 am

Oldman Robustin wrote:Whats the status of the icons/art though? How much of it is totally original?

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation#license I'm not sure the art assets will be material when they are licensed under a different, and seemingly more lax, license that permits Fallout13's use of them.

Post by **oranges** » Tue May 09, 2017 7:03 am #300760

Danowar wrote:

I only did a chunk of the sprites. The old FO13 build already had a bunch of original assets, so I just contributed what I could. There's a handful of other people that have sprited for the project as well. I'm probably going to hold off on doing anymore work until all this blows over, though.

Why don't you want people to use your sprites?

Danowar · Post by **Danowar** » Tue May 09, 2017 7:41 am #300761

smugdog wrote:
Danowar wrote:

I only did a chunk of the sprites. The old FO13 build already had a bunch of original assets, so I just contributed what I could. There's a handful of other people that have sprited for the project as well. I'm probably going to hold off on doing anymore work until all this blows over, though.
Why don't you want people to use your sprites?

Would anyone on /tg/ actually use them, though? Or would they just dump all of the clothing into the costume vending machine and promptly forget about them? The only thing I made with /tg/ in mind were the e-sword sprites, but it didn't seem like anyone on the coderbus wanted them.

kevinz000 · Post by **kevinz000** » Tue May 09, 2017 1:57 pm #300762

Danowar wrote:
smugdog wrote:
Danowar wrote:

I only did a chunk of the sprites. The old FO13 build already had a bunch of original assets, so I just contributed what I could. There's a handful of other people that have sprited for the project as well. I'm probably going to hold off on doing anymore work until all this blows over, though.
Why don't you want people to use your sprites?
Would anyone on /tg/ actually use them, though? Or would they just dump all of the clothing into the costume vending machine and promptly forget about them? The only thing I made with /tg/ in mind were the e-sword sprites, but it didn't seem like anyone on the coderbus wanted them.

its more of no maintainer is going to accept my PR if i make it

Nilons · Post by **Nilons** » Tue May 09, 2017 2:25 pm #300763

I believe the bearded man will win for justice

IcePacks · Post by **IcePacks** » Tue May 09, 2017 6:21 pm #300764

PKPenguin321 wrote:
Grazyn wrote:IIRC gonnstation code traces his lineage back to the original USB drive which was stolen from the creator of ss13
stolen USB story was a myth iirc but i don't remember where i heard that

paging icepacks the ancient one

there was no stolen USB, an angry dev named AZA got pissy with another dev named Murrawhip and posted everything on the forums, AZA was banned and a month later the powers that were had a vote for an open source ss13, titled openss13, which saw numerous iterations before a goon recoded the game and it was hosted by a guy named persh

where did you get a USB drive?

Post by **Rockdtben** » Tue May 09, 2017 7:47 pm #300765

IcePacks wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:
Grazyn wrote:IIRC gonnstation code traces his lineage back to the original USB drive which was stolen from the creator of ss13
stolen USB story was a myth iirc but i don't remember where i heard that

paging icepacks the ancient one
there was no stolen USB, an angry dev named AZA got pissy with another dev named Murrawhip and posted everything on the forums, AZA was banned and a month later the powers that we're had a vote for an open source ss13, titled openss13, which saw numerous iterations before a goon recoded the game and it was hosted by a guy named persh

where did you get a USB drive?

Confirmed by oldfag. Double confirmed by 2nd oldfag. AZA was also a huge drunk. Probably still is. (USB thing is probably just urban legend crap.)

Post by **TehSteveo** » Tue May 09, 2017 8:08 pm #300766

USB Story is just something that gained traction over the years as a story that's be reported over and over. As to why, I'd argue it generally makes a better story that someone stole this USB thumb drive from their friend who trusted them, to release the code to the community at large after some sort of disagreement that they had. It sounds better than someone got drunk and angry then released the code on forums because...drunk and angry.

IcePacks · Post by **IcePacks** » Tue May 09, 2017 8:46 pm #300767

AZA might have had a lot of awkward temper tantrums but if he hadn't had such a shitty relationship with his crotchety friends we wouldn't be here

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Tue May 09, 2017 9:04 pm #300768

Who knows, maybe they would've perfected the ultimate atmospheric simulator and solved global warming

Post by **oranges** » Tue May 09, 2017 10:11 pm #300769

Danowar wrote:
smugdog wrote:
Danowar wrote:

I only did a chunk of the sprites. The old FO13 build already had a bunch of original assets, so I just contributed what I could. There's a handful of other people that have sprited for the project as well. I'm probably going to hold off on doing anymore work until all this blows over, though.
Why don't you want people to use your sprites?
Would anyone on /tg/ actually use them, though? Or would they just dump all of the clothing into the costume vending machine and promptly forget about them? The only thing I made with /tg/ in mind were the e-sword sprites, but it didn't seem like anyone on the coderbus wanted them.

That doesn't answer my question

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Tue May 09, 2017 11:36 pm #300770

I think the USB story is real though because the guy who created SS13 has been in coderbus a few times and talked about it?
Maybe I fabricated that memory...
if he ever joins again, we should ask

Tue May 09, 2017 11:39 pm

Rockdtben wrote:
IcePacks wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:
Grazyn wrote:IIRC gonnstation code traces his lineage back to the original USB drive which was stolen from the creator of ss13
stolen USB story was a myth iirc but i don't remember where i heard that

paging icepacks the ancient one
there was no stolen USB, an angry dev named AZA got pissy with another dev named Murrawhip and posted everything on the forums, AZA was banned and a month later the powers that we're had a vote for an open source ss13, titled openss13, which saw numerous iterations before a goon recoded the game and it was hosted by a guy named persh

where did you get a USB drive?
Confirmed by oldfag. Double confirmed by 2nd oldfag. AZA was also a huge drunk. Probably still is. (USB thing is probably just urban legend crap.)

USB story was on the history page on the wiki for a while iirc. Just a largely perpetuated myth

IcePacks · Post by **IcePacks** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:12 am #300772

Grazyn wrote:Who knows, maybe they would've perfected the ultimate atmospheric simulator and solved global warming

you did not see the original devs

EDIT:

NikNakFlak wrote:I think the USB story is real though because the guy who created SS13 has been in coderbus a few times and talked about it?
Maybe I fabricated that memory...
if he ever joins again, we should ask

exadv was not a member of that development team

John_Oxford · Post by **John_Oxford** » Thu May 11, 2017 9:19 pm #300773

bump cause oxford shitpost

ABearInTheWoods · Fri May 12, 2017 12:01 am

>bumping a sticky.

John_Oxford · Fri May 12, 2017 12:12 am

oh wait shit what i got stickied?

ABearInTheWoods · Fri May 12, 2017 12:19 am

dude not only that but this thread is linked on the front page.

Haevacht · Post by **Haevacht** » Fri May 12, 2017 12:23 am #300777

Bawhoppennn · Fri May 12, 2017 12:29 am

DrPillzRedux · Fri May 12, 2017 12:37 am

John_Oxford · Fri May 12, 2017 12:40 am

just gonna casually edit all the content to be shilling and shitposting, publicity noted i am now top shitposter you are to regard me as such or be deported @pillz

danno · Post by **danno** » Fri May 12, 2017 12:41 am #300781

ohnopigeons · Post by **ohnopigeons** » Fri May 12, 2017 1:17 am #300782

Are negotiations still ongoing?

imblyings · Post by **imblyings** » Fri May 12, 2017 4:35 am #300783

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kevinz000 · Post by **kevinz000** » Fri May 12, 2017 4:37 am #300784

Ouch.

ohnopigeons · Post by **ohnopigeons** » Fri May 12, 2017 5:52 am #300785

It's for legal fees but not for tg/the GPL DMCA, or so they proclaim.

Haevacht · Post by **Haevacht** » Fri May 12, 2017 6:10 am #300786

Saw something that mentioned there was a personal issue relating to custody. Can;t remember where I saw it so this is hell hearsay but sounds like Godsring is in several pickles.

One is easily solved.

(bump)

DrPillzRedux · Fri May 12, 2017 6:40 am

>godsring is too busy with another lawsuit to be able to deal with a tg one

Now is the time, MSO.

Danowar · Post by **Danowar** » Fri May 12, 2017 6:55 am #300788

Seems like the FO13 servers were getting ddos'd earlier. No clue who the perpetrator was, though.

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Fri May 12, 2017 1:27 pm #300789

He's got undeniable proof in the form of a confession that we're the ones behind the attack.

Nilons · Post by **Nilons** » Fri May 12, 2017 1:52 pm #300790

Sligneris wrote:

He's got undeniable proof in the form of a confession that we're the ones behind the attack.

He's got some random dickhead saying it. If it was mso, an admin, or a maintainer it would have weight. Tgstation is not responsible for what random dickheads say