Pet Peeves Thread - Little things that REALLY annoy you

InsaneHyena · Sat May 06, 2017 11:06 pm

Bottom post of the previous page:

Robustin's fixes should improve our suffering at least a little bit

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Sat May 06, 2017 11:45 pm #289434

People who suicide by SM

You fuckers destabilise the engine and make it at risk of exploding

Post by **Armhulen** » Sun May 07, 2017 12:49 am #289453

Anonmare wrote:People who suicide by SM

You fuckers destabilise the engine and make it at risk of exploding

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU REMOVE AIRTANK GIBBING

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Sun May 07, 2017 2:35 am #289508

Armhulen wrote:
Anonmare wrote:People who suicide by SM

You fuckers destabilise the engine and make it at risk of exploding
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU REMOVE AIRTANK GIBBING

They were doing it before.

Peeve: Roundstart suicides in general. Unless you suddenly realized "oh shit, I was supposed to be at my mom's funeral in 10 minutes I didn't mean to ready up" the only reason I can suspect that you're suiciding is to celebrate a failed antag roll.

TheColdTurtle · Sun May 07, 2017 2:45 am

Pretty much what cedar said, what reason is there to roundstart suicde other than failed antag roll?

InsaneHyena · Post by **InsaneHyena** » Sun May 07, 2017 1:54 pm #289798

I do it when I get a job I'm not really in the mood to do, like engineering (set the engine, then greytide for the entire round). I then hope that there is more exciting role on lavaland.

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Sun May 07, 2017 4:30 pm #289830

When an admin says there needs to be more paranoia in the game, but what they really mean is there needs to be more reasons to ban people for the slightest provocation in the game

Wulfe_L · Post by **Wulfe_L** » Sun May 07, 2017 11:36 pm #290030

cedarbridge wrote:
Armhulen wrote:
Anonmare wrote:People who suicide by SM

You fuckers destabilise the engine and make it at risk of exploding
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU REMOVE AIRTANK GIBBING
They were doing it before.

Peeve: Roundstart suicides in general. Unless you suddenly realized "oh shit, I was supposed to be at my mom's funeral in 10 minutes I didn't mean to ready up" the only reason I can suspect that you're suiciding is to celebrate a failed antag roll.

Seriously, I hate the fact that some moron who only wants to play if he gets to be the bad guy can run up to the HOPline and explode, creating a huge mess that someone else has to clean up. How do you even make yourself explode, anyway, and why is it a thing?

On topic: The main thing annoying me lately is greytiders wasting my time. I like to play Sec and HOP, and I enjoy talking through things with people, helping them get what they need or setting disputes, as well as dealing with antag threats.

But most of the time I can't do any of that, because I'm busy dealing with Lulz McRobusto #413 slipping people and throwing them into the bridge windows until they break before suiciding, for absolutely no reason they can provide. And of course, by the time I've caught them, brought them to Sec, searched them, re-caught them after they try to escape, set the timer, and added the crime to her records, I've spent three times longer arresting them than they'll be in the cell for.

I get it, some people get the most fun out of the game by stealing stuff and assaulting security while insulting them, good for them. But when it forces me to spend time that could be better served helping the GOOD crew, or combatting the antags, it can get... Irritating.

Dr_bee · Post by **Dr_bee** » Mon May 08, 2017 4:47 am #290194

cedarbridge wrote:
Armhulen wrote:
Anonmare wrote:People who suicide by SM

You fuckers destabilise the engine and make it at risk of exploding
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU REMOVE AIRTANK GIBBING
They were doing it before.

Peeve: Roundstart suicides in general. Unless you suddenly realized "oh shit, I was supposed to be at my mom's funeral in 10 minutes I didn't mean to ready up" the only reason I can suspect that you're suiciding is to celebrate a failed antag roll.

I only ever roundstart suicide if I want to play drone, load up the drone dispenser and suicide so I can play a round of building autism forts and acting cute. but yeah, airtank suicide was a mistake.

Nilons · Post by **Nilons** » Mon May 08, 2017 5:09 am #290209

cedarbridge wrote:
Armhulen wrote:
Anonmare wrote:People who suicide by SM

You fuckers destabilise the engine and make it at risk of exploding
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU REMOVE AIRTANK GIBBING
They were doing it before.

Peeve: Roundstart suicides in general. Unless you suddenly realized "oh shit, I was supposed to be at my mom's funeral in 10 minutes I didn't mean to ready up" the only reason I can suspect that you're suiciding is to celebrate a failed antag roll.

Not gonna lie I just think roundstart suicide is fucking hilarious, seeing the reaction of whoever runs the place you just turned into a red mess never fails to put a smile on my face.

Cuboos · Post by **Cuboos** » Mon May 08, 2017 8:59 am #290280

Also, this is probably been said a million times (maybe even by me in this very thread) but valid hunters and murderboners...

Nothing ruins a round more than some asshat looking for their valids. Now granted, dying can be fun most of the time. Like walking into a death chute an atmos tech set up, that's fucking hilarious. But when you're grinding research and nearly half way done only for some greysuit wearing fuck with a e-bow and an e-sword to randomly walk up from nowhere and chop you to death or NotaSec McSoapnSlip knocks you down with the janitor's soap bar and searches your gear to find your emag just feels like such a pointless loss. I didn't even get a chance to try or do anything before i'm forced into waiting an hour for the round to end or a decent ghost role to appear. The only exceptions to this is if the murderboner is wearing a ridiculous outfit or if the clown steals your gear. Because dying to a man in a bunny suit with a corgi head is too ridiculous to get mad at and if that clown takes your gear you know he's about to fuck up with his clumsy gene and get himself killed or lynched.

Nilons · Post by **Nilons** » Mon May 08, 2017 9:08 am #290282

Cuboos wrote:Also, this is probably been said a million times (maybe even by me in this very thread) but valid hunters and murderboners...

Nothing ruins a round more than some asshat looking for their valids. Now granted, dying can be fun most of the time. Like walking into a death chute an atmos tech set up, that's fucking hilarious. But when you're grinding research and nearly half way done only for some greysuit wearing fuck with a e-bow and an e-sword to randomly walk up from nowhere and chop you to death or NotaSec McSoapnSlip knocks you down with the janitor's soap bar and searches your gear to find your emag just feels like such a pointless loss. I didn't even get a chance to try or do anything before i'm forced into waiting an hour for the round to end or a decent ghost role to appear. The only exceptions to this is if the murderboner is wearing a ridiculous outfit or if the clown steals your gear. Because dying to a man in a bunny suit with a corgi head is too ridiculous to get mad at and if that clown takes your gear you know he's about to fuck up with his clumsy gene and get himself killed or lynched.

Most people agree with you but the tradeoff is that you also are able to do that if it pleases you and if murder bones start being punished its a slippery slope to rule 4 being abolished

XDTM · Post by **XDTM** » Mon May 08, 2017 6:39 pm #290563

Nilons wrote:
Cuboos wrote:Also, this is probably been said a million times (maybe even by me in this very thread) but valid hunters and murderboners...

Nothing ruins a round more than some asshat looking for their valids. Now granted, dying can be fun most of the time. Like walking into a death chute an atmos tech set up, that's fucking hilarious. But when you're grinding research and nearly half way done only for some greysuit wearing fuck with a e-bow and an e-sword to randomly walk up from nowhere and chop you to death or NotaSec McSoapnSlip knocks you down with the janitor's soap bar and searches your gear to find your emag just feels like such a pointless loss. I didn't even get a chance to try or do anything before i'm forced into waiting an hour for the round to end or a decent ghost role to appear. The only exceptions to this is if the murderboner is wearing a ridiculous outfit or if the clown steals your gear. Because dying to a man in a bunny suit with a corgi head is too ridiculous to get mad at and if that clown takes your gear you know he's about to fuck up with his clumsy gene and get himself killed or lynched.
Most people agree with you but the tradeoff is that you also are able to do that if it pleases you and if murder bones start being punished its a slippery slope to rule 4 being abolished

Which is why i think that the real issue is that we give the tools for murderbone at roundstart instead of making the wannabe murderboners find their weapon of choice. Not only that, the ones you can buy roundstart are also the most effective murderbone tools around. Of course you're going to see a lot of ebow+esword/desword/revolver if they're easily available AND powerful.

Post by **Dax Dupont** » Wed May 10, 2017 5:42 am #291500

Wulfe_L wrote: On topic: The main thing annoying me lately is greytiders wasting my time. I like to play Sec and HOP, and I enjoy talking through things with people, helping them get what they need or setting disputes, as well as dealing with antag threats.

But most of the time I can't do any of that, because I'm busy dealing with Lulz McRobusto #413 slipping people and throwing them into the bridge windows until they break before suiciding, for absolutely no reason they can provide. And of course, by the time I've caught them, brought them to Sec, searched them, re-caught them after they try to escape, set the timer, and added the crime to her records, I've spent three times longer arresting them than they'll be in the cell for.

I get it, some people get the most fun out of the game by stealing stuff and assaulting security while insulting them, good for them. But when it forces me to spend time that could be better served helping the GOOD crew, or combatting the antags, it can get... Irritating.

This so much.

People get surprised when I give heavy brig times for shittery like breaking into sec 4noraisin or if we're being harder on people because the last 40 minutes in this shift have been nothing but greytide.
Also when there's like 8 people tiding and you're alone as warden or some shit reeeeee.

If you're purposely helping antags being being shit or you're doing shit like spacing emitters and shit in bleb rounds/slipping and stealing sec's gear 4noraisin in nuke op rounds you're gonna get treated like an antag.

Also fucking AI like locking doors because one sec officer is shit and harmed some prisoner and that prisoner is dying. Trying to fucking plead with the AI to unbolt the doors so I could grab the fucking medkit. "NO THAT OFFICER WILL CAUSE HARM". I AM NOT THE ONE THAT HARMED THEM FOR FUCKS SAKE DON'T BOLT PERMA DOWN WHEN I AM TRYING TO GET A MEDKIT AND PREVENT THIS MAN FROM DYING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. Then the AI unbolts after a minute of arguing and the prisoner collapses and dies.

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Thu May 11, 2017 3:14 am #291987

the problem is that being hard on tiders leads to them doubling down and then everyone is unhappy and then FUCK

this discussion AGAIN

InsaneHyena · Post by **InsaneHyena** » Fri May 12, 2017 1:42 am #292578

Oh shit, this is wrong thread

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Fri May 12, 2017 7:42 pm #292893

15 minute multi-party ahelp chains to sort out grief that happened 20 minutes ago but I'm only alerted to after the round is over because they wanted to see the antag rolls first.

Stahp

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Fri May 12, 2017 7:54 pm #292902

Doctors who don't know how to ghetto cryo. Sometimes cryo gets blown up and most of the time I see doctors throw their arms up in defeat and pretty much say "No more cloning for anyone".

Seriously, all you need to do is get the cryo fluid in someone and get them cold. A wrenched cold shower or space will work after makign them swallow, eat or inject the fluid into them

Fiz Bump · Post by **Fiz Bump** » Fri May 12, 2017 7:58 pm #292907

cedarbridge wrote:15 minute multi-party ahelp chains to sort out grief that happened 20 minutes ago but I'm only alerted to after the round is over because they wanted to see the antag rolls first.

Stahp

When a player server hops to ask you to investigate an incident that happened 20 minutes and one round prior because the Basil admins were all afk.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Fri May 12, 2017 8:00 pm #292911

Fiz Bump wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:15 minute multi-party ahelp chains to sort out grief that happened 20 minutes ago but I'm only alerted to after the round is over because they wanted to see the antag rolls first.

Stahp
When a player server hops to ask you to investigate an incident that happened 20 minutes and one round prior because the Basil admins were all afk.

Just got one of those earlier where it was rev anyway and there was no rulebreaking involved.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Fri May 12, 2017 8:02 pm #292913

Anonmare wrote:Doctors who don't know how to ghetto cryo. Sometimes cryo gets blown up and most of the time I see doctors throw their arms up in defeat and pretty much say "No more cloning for anyone".

Seriously, all you need to do is get the cryo fluid in someone and get them cold. A wrenched cold shower or space will work after makign them swallow, eat or inject the fluid into them

The number of Medstaff that still can't function without cryo is concerning anyway.

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Fri May 12, 2017 8:35 pm #292931

I prefer to use sleepers first because infinite chems. The medkits in storage are not for you plebians

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Fri May 12, 2017 8:43 pm #292938

Anonmare wrote:I prefer to use sleepers first because infinite chems. The medkits in storage are not for you plebians

Patient has suffocation damage, better stuff him into cryo instead of just zapping him down to 35 damage with a shot of epinephrine.

One of these days I'm going to make all the MDs attend a seminar on proper medbay use and practices.

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Fri May 12, 2017 10:05 pm #292954

Suffocation is literally salbutamol, or CPR if you and they have lungs.
If the suffocation is caused by bloodloss, determine how severe it is.
If it's >85% - prescribe iron pills and send them on their way
If it's less <85%, saline-glucose and iron pills. If they're ~70%-75%, replace blood with transfusion.

cedarbridge · Fri May 12, 2017 10:14 pm

Anonmare wrote:Suffocation is literally salbutamol, or CPR if you and they have lungs.
If the suffocation is caused by bloodloss, determine how severe it is.
If it's >85% - prescribe iron pills and send them on their way
If it's less <85%, saline-glucose and iron pills. If they're ~70%-75%, replace blood with transfusion.

Literally just hit them with an epipen/sleeper.

Nilons · Post by **Nilons** » Fri May 12, 2017 10:16 pm #292960

cedarbridge wrote:
Anonmare wrote:Suffocation is literally salbutamol, or CPR if you and they have lungs.
If the suffocation is caused by bloodloss, determine how severe it is.
If it's >85% - prescribe iron pills and send them on their way
If it's less <85%, saline-glucose and iron pills. If they're ~70%-75%, replace blood with transfusion.
Literally just hit them with an epipen/sleeper.

I heard if someones dead you dont have to heal them you can throw them in cloning and not worry about it so why dont you just kill people who come into the medbay with oxyloss then clone them. all this talk about healing them its like you dont even play med smh

tacolizard · Post by **tacolizard** » Tue May 16, 2017 5:08 pm #294459

shitty greytiders that unironically call you shitcurity for being arrested and scream and whine the whole way to the brig.

I try to be nice as sec, my strategy is to be super lenient the first 1 or two times and then gulag after that. The problem is the dumb shitters who don't get the message and just continue to reoffend and get pissed getting gulagged when I warned them that would happen.

kek the word 's h i t t e r' gets corrected to shitter

Post by **Armhulen** » Tue May 16, 2017 5:10 pm #294462

>they ahelp getting killed after breaking into caps office

MUAHAHAHAAHAH VALID

BeeSting12 · Post by **BeeSting12** » Tue May 16, 2017 5:13 pm #294463

Nilons wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
Anonmare wrote:Suffocation is literally salbutamol, or CPR if you and they have lungs.
If the suffocation is caused by bloodloss, determine how severe it is.
If it's >85% - prescribe iron pills and send them on their way
If it's less <85%, saline-glucose and iron pills. If they're ~70%-75%, replace blood with transfusion.
Literally just hit them with an epipen/sleeper.
I heard if someones dead you dont have to heal them you can throw them in cloning and not worry about it so why dont you just kill people who come into the medbay with oxyloss then clone them. all this talk about healing them its like you dont even play med smh

you may laugh but i sat in the cloning scanner for almost five minutes in critical. (came to medical one point below the threshold.) the MD couldn't figure it out so he left me there until I died and it worked.

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Tue May 16, 2017 6:15 pm #294522

Armhulen wrote:>they ahelp getting killed after breaking into caps office

MUAHAHAHAAHAH VALID

I don't like sec jumping to lethals but if the grey roundstart bust into cap's office and get dunked I will always laugh

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Tue May 16, 2017 6:30 pm #294527

related to ahelping, the response that I get after 75% of ahelps that goes

"SO DOES THIS MEAN THAT IF [ACTION WITHOUT ANY OF THE CONTEXT OF THE ORIGINAL INCIDENT] THEN I CAN MURDER THEM?"

if I was headmin I would adjust the rules to make saying this automatically double the ban

Nilons · Post by **Nilons** » Tue May 16, 2017 6:39 pm #294531

bandit wrote:related to ahelping, the response that I get after 75% of ahelps that goes

"SO DOES THIS MEAN THAT IF [ACTION WITHOUT ANY OF THE CONTEXT OF THE ORIGINAL INCIDENT] THEN I CAN MURDER THEM?"

if I was headmin I would adjust the rules to make saying this automatically double the ban

I've done this twice and can confirm it already never goes well for the player

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Tue May 16, 2017 6:48 pm #294536

bandit wrote:related to ahelping, the response that I get after 75% of ahelps that goes

"SO DOES THIS MEAN THAT IF [ACTION WITHOUT ANY OF THE CONTEXT OF THE ORIGINAL INCIDENT] THEN I CAN MURDER THEM?"

if I was headmin I would adjust the rules to make saying this automatically double the ban

I fucking DESPISE this, this is an easy way to get on my bad side instantly

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue May 16, 2017 6:52 pm #294541

Qbopper wrote:
bandit wrote:related to ahelping, the response that I get after 75% of ahelps that goes

"SO DOES THIS MEAN THAT IF [ACTION WITHOUT ANY OF THE CONTEXT OF THE ORIGINAL INCIDENT] THEN I CAN MURDER THEM?"

if I was headmin I would adjust the rules to make saying this automatically double the ban
I fucking DESPISE this, this is an easy way to get on my bad side instantly

is there anyone who doesn't

Post by **Armhulen** » Tue May 16, 2017 7:32 pm #294555

>captain
>trying to call, station is messed up by lings
>some guy repeatability recalls
>bsa him please centcom (RULE 0.2 EXISTS

)
>lolnoresponse
>recall location some sat
>get laughed at by centcom for going to the wrong one
>finally arrive
>engineer sitting alone there right on the area where it was called
>must be him!
>murder the SHIT out of him
>bwoink
>"I'm not even going to yell at you that it was the wrong guy, i'll just adminheal him"
>i'm on thin ice
>thanks kev
>CE arrives
>nothing here could have called it but it has to be him
>oh well, go back to my office
>call
>recalled
>>PLEASE BSA HIM CENTCOM FOR THE LOVE OF GOD EVERYONE WANTS TO GO HOME
>call
>run out to catch him
>klara and a bunch of people slow me down
>didn't catch him, recalled
>talk with the CE, planning to shoot him with a fellow minebot
>"HELP HOS KILLING ME"
>ok klara 'slow me down more' ellstrom
>start shooting CE
>minebot helping
>minebot shoots me once
>fuk
>ce escapes and hides in space
>bleeding a lot
>I
>MUST
>CALL IT
>call shuttle
>destroy all consoles on the CE's autismspacebase
>one of them was secretly a recall thing
>nice
>this shuttle is staying called B)
>hum dee doo
>doop dee dooooo
>plasma everywhereeee
>tank ran out of airrrrrr
>fuuuuuck
>oh, autocloner!
>>>naked and locked in science
>ship leaves without me
>thanks, kev

Post by **Dax Dupont** » Tue May 16, 2017 9:23 pm #294657

Armhulen wrote:
>captain
>trying to call, station is messed up by lings
>some guy repeatability recalls
>thanks, kev

That round was such a shitfest

Swindly · Post by **Swindly** » Sat May 20, 2017 6:35 pm #296659

People taking patches and applying them until they're fully healed as if greater volumes of styptic powder heal faster.

Nilons · Post by **Nilons** » Sat May 20, 2017 6:53 pm #296665

Swindly wrote:People taking patches and applying them until they're fully healed as if greater volumes of styptic powder heal faster.

Ahahaha I totally do this

Dr_bee · Post by **Dr_bee** » Sat May 20, 2017 7:17 pm #296672

Swindly wrote:People taking patches and applying them until they're fully healed as if greater volumes of styptic powder heal faster.

Syptic doesnt work like bicaridine, it has a front end, instant heal, and then a longer heal over time.

so applying more patches does, in fact, healing you faster as you keep reapplying the instant heal.

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Sat May 20, 2017 7:42 pm #296684

Just make synthflesh, it heals instantly. 50u of synthflesh will instantly heal 50 bute/burn damage. The recipe for it even uses styptic powder, just mix it with carbon and some blood (which you can just borrow from the monkeys, either the chef or genetics. Even your own blood can work as long as you take some iron pills to replenish your blood loss).

XDTM · Post by **XDTM** » Sat May 20, 2017 11:45 pm #296771

Styptic is more efficient tho since a 20u patch gives 20 instant brute heal plus about 120 over time if i did the math right.

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Sun May 21, 2017 1:57 pm #296908

When there's no admins on and drones and borgs use this as carte blanche to be absolutely shit.

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Fri May 26, 2017 10:08 pm #299360

When players pray for shit and then they WON'T STOP MOVING so I can spawn it

DrWoofington · Sat May 27, 2017 8:24 am

when bgo asks me to give him $20

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Mon May 29, 2017 3:26 am #300080

If you're gonna try to make sec work with you as an antagonist traitor or IAA, have some decency and try to make a deal BEFORE you get caught.

And if you're a mime and you break the oath to try and save your ass, please, don't.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Mon May 29, 2017 7:47 am #300121

D&B wrote:If you're gonna try to make sec work with you as an antagonist traitor or IAA, have some decency and try to make a deal BEFORE you get caught.

And if you're a mime and you break the oath to try and save your ass, please, don't.

My gimmick as traitor clown is putting my uplink code in reversed order as PDA ringtone.

InsaneHyena · Post by **InsaneHyena** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:11 am #300129

If you're gonna try to make sec work with you as an antagonist traitor or IAA, have some decency and try to make a deal BEFORE you get caught.

>Sec, I'm a traitor. Let's make a dea-
>:s CAUGHT TRAITOR IN BRIG *CRACK* *WHOOSH* *WHOOSH* *WHOOSH*

Doctor Pork · Post by **Doctor Pork** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:48 am #300130

D&B wrote:If you're gonna try to make sec work with you as an antagonist traitor or IAA, have some decency and try to make a deal BEFORE you get caught.

And if you're a mime and you break the oath to try and save your ass, please, don't.

I have a story about this.
>Be sec
>Rolled cargo in deltameme nice
>Doing my rounds
>Go up to arrivals
>Find a greyshit beating the fuck out of the mime
>"Aye what do we have 'ere den laddie?"
>Vicious beating stops
>"Well officer it's like this..."
>Mime immediately starts screaming about the greyshit/sec being rogue
>"Oh."
>We both start beating the shit out of mime again
>Mime goes into crit
>Greyshit helps me drag her to med
>Go to the bar and crack open some cold ones
>pretty cool duder tbqh
>tell my boys down at the station
>We have a good laugh
>Round ends
>Traitor mime
>it's Klara

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Tue May 30, 2017 1:48 am #300392

InsaneHyena wrote:
If you're gonna try to make sec work with you as an antagonist traitor or IAA, have some decency and try to make a deal BEFORE you get caught.
>Sec, I'm a traitor. Let's make a dea-
>:s CAUGHT TRAITOR IN BRIG *CRACK* *WHOOSH* *WHOOSH* *WHOOSH*

What prompted this was

>HoS
>They bring in anime who bought s revolver and shot someone to death in plain sight
>Prepare to perma them
>"I'm an IAA hired by NT and you MUST release me"
>Oh sure
>Shutter crushed him while I asked him to count

Swindly · Post by **Swindly** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:10 pm #302739

People going on murder sprees when antagonist and then complaining about rounds being too short when not antagonist.

InsaneHyena · Post by **InsaneHyena** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:40 pm #302747

>"I'm an IAA hired by NT and you MUST release me"
>Oh sure
>Shutter crushed him while I asked him to count

>Not releasing him into space