Chemistry reinforcement on box

Post by **Dax Dupont** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:24 am #275635

Compared to meta, box chemistry is very unprotected.
It's hella easy to break in, either by all the regular walls or the chemistry fridge.
Meta has shutters that mostly keeps the greytide out and is less exposed on the public sides, way harder to break in.

This is a bit

but almost every round someone breaks in and tries to steal dispensers, especially botanists since that seems the new meta. Nobody bothers asking for stuff anymore, they literally just break in and steal the entire dispenser even when there's two chemists or chemist and cmos doing chemistry. Security almost never bothers to go grab it back and it just leads to escalation.

Rwalls and shutters would be grand, because this is just getting ridiculous.
Also I guess IC it makes sense too because 1. drugs 2. thermite being dangerous.
Feel free to move it if it's better in mapping, I wasn't sure what forum would be best because that one seems less suggest-y.

Other more code based options would be making them longer to unwrench since it literally takes a second, same with the smartfridge.
Takes about 30 seconds to break in and nab a chem dispenser and get out.

kevinz000 · Post by **kevinz000** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:46 am #275701

>leads to escalation
If someone tries to steal my dispensers they're going to be in for a bad, bad time.

Cheridan · Post by **Cheridan** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:01 am #275708

hugbox

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:43 am #275725

The botanists need it more than you do

TrustyGun · Post by **TrustyGun** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:14 pm #275743

Lazengann wrote:The botanists need it more than you do

The people who make meme plants need it more than the people whose job is to use the damn thing?!

Give me a break, reinforce Chemistry.

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:16 pm #275744

TrustyGun wrote:
Lazengann wrote:The botanists need it more than you do
The people who make meme plants need it more than the people whose job is to use the damn thing?!

Yeah. Botanists use more chemicals. Chemistry has two dispensers anyway.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:18 pm #275745

Some forward facing shutters would not be the worst thing. You could still break in from the south entrance or wield in via the normal walls.

TrustyGun · Post by **TrustyGun** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:23 pm #275747

They have two dispensers so two chemists can work fluidly. Two chemists cant work off one.

They arent meant to be stolen by the botanists.

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:27 pm #275748

TrustyGun wrote:They have two dispensers so two chemists can work fluidly. Two chemists cant work off one.

They arent meant to be stolen by the botanists.

I'm sorry I slowed you down from making your morphine syringe gun and carpet grenades so I could mass produce plants that heal every damage type and let you survive space walks with no negative side effects. Potency is capped on the DNA manipulator and science rarely upgrades it to maximum so I'm going to need a shitload of saltpetre if I want any actually potent plants.

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:29 pm #275749

Lazengann wrote:
TrustyGun wrote:They have two dispensers so two chemists can work fluidly. Two chemists cant work off one.

They arent meant to be stolen by the botanists.
I'm sorry I slowed you down from making your morphine syringe gun and carpet grenades so I could mass produce plants that heal every damage type and let you survive space walks with no negative side effects. Potency is capped on the DNA manipulator and science rarely upgrades it to maximum so I'm going to need a shitload of saltpetre if I want any actually potent plants.

If i see you stealing the dispencer, even if im not a chemist, and there are chemists there I will nuke your department

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:36 pm #275750

calzilla1 wrote:
Lazengann wrote:
TrustyGun wrote:They have two dispensers so two chemists can work fluidly. Two chemists cant work off one.

They arent meant to be stolen by the botanists.
I'm sorry I slowed you down from making your morphine syringe gun and carpet grenades so I could mass produce plants that heal every damage type and let you survive space walks with no negative side effects. Potency is capped on the DNA manipulator and science rarely upgrades it to maximum so I'm going to need a shitload of saltpetre if I want any actually potent plants.
If i see you stealing the dispencer, even if im not a chemist, and there are chemists there I will nuke your department

Bring it on

I don't actually steal it if there are two living chemists though.

Post by **Dax Dupont** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:30 pm #275759

Lazengann wrote:
TrustyGun wrote:They have two dispensers so two chemists can work fluidly. Two chemists cant work off one.

They arent meant to be stolen by the botanists.
I'm sorry I slowed you down from making your morphine syringe gun and carpet grenades so I could mass produce plants that heal every damage type and let you survive space walks with no negative side effects. Potency is capped on the DNA manipulator and science rarely upgrades it to maximum so I'm going to need a shitload of saltpetre if I want any actually potent plants.

1. Botany never uses them other than to be shitters. Sometimes they do make Gaia for the general public yes. But most of the time it's explosive tomatoes.
2. Chemists don't use morphine, where did you get that idea.
3. Even if there's no 2 chemists, don't forget that good CMOs do chemistry too and that chemists can join 3-4 minutes after round start too.

Why don't you get rnd to make you one or make blumpkins like you're supposed to before you end up getting clf3'd.

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:59 pm #275770

AdAstraPerAspera wrote:1. Botany never uses them other than to be imperfect people playing an imperfect game. Sometimes they do make Gaia for the general public yes. But most of the time it's explosive tomatoes.
2. Chemists don't use morphine, where did you get that idea.
3. Even if there's no 2 chemists, don't forget that good CMOs do chemistry too and that chemists can join 3-4 minutes after round start too.

Why don't you get rnd to make you one or make blumpkins like you're supposed to before you end up getting clf3'd.

Gaia sucks by itself, you're supposed to extract the earthsblood and stick it in a plant that also makes mannitol to avoid the brain damage. If a botanist is just making bluespace bananas and glowshrooms and ignoring requests to grief the crew they should get bwoinked or spaced imo.

That being said, if I need 200 saltpetre and the chemist only gives me 30 units at a time and wants me to keep coming back after I've used it, yeah I'm stealing the spare dispenser when he fucks off. If there's a chemist that's unable to do his job because I have a dispenser(this is rare, one of the chemists usually fucks off because he didn't roll antag or whatever) then they'll get it back if they let me know.

Good luck getting R&D to make one or upgrade the DNA manipulator fully before the shuttle comes

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:07 pm #275773

Also if they added plants that produced oxygen and nitrogen or even just straight saltpetre I'd never steal it in the first place.

Post by **Cobby** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:16 pm #275796

use mutagen plants

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:34 pm #275807

ExcessiveCobblestone wrote:use mutagen plants

RNG is not fun or convenient

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:35 pm #275810

Retard botanists are a pretty good reason to move to reinforced chemistry but chem in general is (in my experience) the most tided against department. Clown/mime has to smash up the place for lube/thermite because clowns and mimes don't entertain they "prank" and powergame silently. Botanists have take to just stealing whole dispensers (if you do this while I'm running medbay I would feel vindicated spacing you if sec doesn't want you) because waiting a few seconds in line is apparently the greatest of tortures. There's always that one or two assistant's who want to get hammered on whatever retard pill you put out for them and they're willing to break in if you don't make them.

Chem is defensible but it still only takes about 10 seconds with a wrench to get in and make off with a dispenser.

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:46 pm #275826

cedarbridge wrote:Retard botanists are a pretty good reason to move to reinforced chemistry but chem in general is (in my experience) the most tided against department. Clown/mime has to smash up the place for lube/thermite because clowns and mimes don't entertain they "prank" and powergame silently. Botanists have take to just stealing whole dispensers (if you do this while I'm running medbay I would feel vindicated spacing you if sec doesn't want you) because waiting a few seconds in line is apparently the greatest of tortures. There's always that one or two assistant's who want to get hammered on whatever retard pill you put out for them and they're willing to break in if you don't make them.

Chem is defensible but it still only takes about 10 seconds with a wrench to get in and make off with a dispenser.

If you leave Chemistry long enough for someone to get the dispenser you deserve to lose it

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:48 pm #275832

Lazengann wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:Retard botanists are a pretty good reason to move to reinforced chemistry but chem in general is (in my experience) the most tided against department. Clown/mime has to smash up the place for lube/thermite because clowns and mimes don't entertain they "prank" and powergame silently. Botanists have take to just stealing whole dispensers (if you do this while I'm running medbay I would feel vindicated spacing you if sec doesn't want you) because waiting a few seconds in line is apparently the greatest of tortures. There's always that one or two assistant's who want to get hammered on whatever retard pill you put out for them and they're willing to break in if you don't make them.

Chem is defensible but it still only takes about 10 seconds with a wrench to get in and make off with a dispenser.
If you leave Chemistry long enough for someone to get the dispenser you deserve to lose it

t. Greentide

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:49 pm #275835

cedarbridge wrote:
Lazengann wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:Retard botanists are a pretty good reason to move to reinforced chemistry but chem in general is (in my experience) the most tided against department. Clown/mime has to smash up the place for lube/thermite because clowns and mimes don't entertain they "prank" and powergame silently. Botanists have take to just stealing whole dispensers (if you do this while I'm running medbay I would feel vindicated spacing you if sec doesn't want you) because waiting a few seconds in line is apparently the greatest of tortures. There's always that one or two assistant's who want to get hammered on whatever retard pill you put out for them and they're willing to break in if you don't make them.

Chem is defensible but it still only takes about 10 seconds with a wrench to get in and make off with a dispenser.
If you leave Chemistry long enough for someone to get the dispenser you deserve to lose it
t. Greentide

I am an innocent victim of coding induced circumstances

Screemonster · Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:50 pm

Lazengann wrote:I'm entitled to other people's shit for no other reason than because I want it

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:04 pm #275853

Screemonster wrote:
Lazengann wrote:I'm entitled to other people's shit for no other reason than because I want it

I want it and also I'm in Botany

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:28 pm #275883

>job that has windows in order to provide the crew with chemicals
>has a two way storage the let people take chems as needed
>job that is literally designed to create and share chemicals
>"no fuck you your job is useless give me the dispenser you're not allowed to play the game"

??? Just fucking ask the chemists to create chemicals for you as intended, breaking in and stealing the dispenser is just dumb

Why even bother playing a multiplayer game focused on player interaction if you're going to silently break in and steal shit

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:45 pm #275912

I want to have fun NOW

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:48 pm #275919

why do I even reply to posts

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:49 pm #275921

Qbopper wrote:why do I even reply to posts

Because you have no life

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:50 pm #275923

Qbopper wrote:why do I even reply to posts

Because you think having to beg a chemist to click 3 times a dozen times per round is fun and a good player interaction

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:52 pm #275929

calzilla1 wrote:
Qbopper wrote:why do I even reply to posts
Because you have no life

if you're going to get pissy with me in a thread at least make it about the posts I've made in that thread

on topic: I think it couldn't hurt to help box chem be at least a little more secure, considering how obnoxiously common it is for people to break in at round start

like, the effort you go through to break in withing a minute of the round starting could be used asking "hey can you make me some mutagen/etc. and keep making some beakers when you get the chance", especially since you're also gambling that no one will retaliate when you break in and steal a dispenser

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:58 pm #275941

Your mistake is assuming you'll have a chemist that will make you enough chemicals more than 1 out of 6 rounds

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:06 pm #275956

Lazengann wrote:Your mistake is assuming you'll have a chemist that will make you enough chemicals more than 1 out of 6 rounds

maybe the chemists don't like to help botanists because botanists are massive pricks half the time about chems

vicious cycle etc

Post by **Dax Dupont** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:31 pm #275995

Qbopper wrote:
Lazengann wrote:Your mistake is assuming you'll have a chemist that will make you enough chemicals more than 1 out of 6 rounds
maybe the chemists don't like to help botanists because botanists are massive pricks half the time about chems

vicious cycle etc

They don't even bother to ask anymore.
Last time a botanist asked I made sure to keep 300u of salt peter in the chemfridge.
I used to do the same with mutagen but people keep injecting it in the food, but I generally prepare some and keep it in a spare chembag.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:35 pm #275997

We let robotics, R&D and the fucking chef shutter slam you for climbing on counters to try to get in when you aren't wanted. Chem should get at least that much protection

Botanists acting like they're entitled to a constant stream of mutagen to the point of stealing a chem dispenser at roundstart should certainly not be upset when cargo steals their seed vendor and sells their seeds back to them.

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:45 pm #276011

Lazengann wrote:
Qbopper wrote:why do I even reply to posts
Because you think having to beg a chemist to click 3 times a dozen times per round is fun and a good player interaction

So are we allowed to space guys like this on sight?

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:46 pm #276014

cedarbridge wrote:Botanists acting like they're entitled to a constant stream of mutagen

God forbid someone wants the chemists to do their job

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:52 pm #276018

Lazengann wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:Botanists acting like they're entitled to a constant stream of mutagen
God forbid someone wants the chemists to do their job

See, this is what you haven't understood over the course of several threads now. Chemistry's job is not exclusively to provide you memefuel. You have dozens of things you could be doing in botany that aren't powergaming your way to turbo melons and minibomb tomatoes. There are other people and other departments on the station that are not botany and it turns out most of them are more essential to the function of the station than botany is. If you have to wait a couple minutes for mutagen, tough.

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:55 pm #276020

So anyway there's no real reason to reinforce Chemistry

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:56 pm #276021

Lazengann has this strange idea that because the stupid DNA analyzer was a brokenly good way to game botany easily when he started playing the game that he deserves that same level of instant gratification no matter what despite the fact that it was nerfed for this reason

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:00 pm #276026

God forbid chemistry doesn't produce only mutagen

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:19 pm #276029

Wyzack wrote:Lazengann has this strange idea that because the stupid DNA analyzer was a brokenly good way to game botany easily when he started playing the game that he deserves that same level of instant gratification no matter what despite the fact that it was nerfed for this reason

I started playing literal years ago

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:21 pm #276030

Daily reminder botanists stealing the chem dispensers are breaking the NAP and you can acid bomb botany until they give it back

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:26 pm #276035

iamgoofball wrote:God forbid chemistry doesn't produce only mutagen

seriously holy shit is waiting 30 seconds for them to finish what they're doing to give you memefuel to flood the station with annoying shit that they probably don't want you to grow anyways

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:32 pm #276040

Qbopper wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:God forbid chemistry doesn't produce only mutagen
seriously holy shit is waiting 30 seconds for them to finish what they're doing to give you memefuel to flood the station with annoying shit that they probably don't want you to grow anyways

I don't grow dumb shit I just make medbay virtually obsolete with my healing apples

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:35 pm #276042

then you're in the minority of botanists, and that's not really the point of the discussion anyways

WarbossLincoln · Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:36 pm

Botanists be like:

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:37 pm #276045

I'm going to reinforce chemistry today

Screemonster · Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:37 pm

if a botanist steals my dispenser am I allowed to inject its entire contents into them when I take it back

edit: make chem dispensers inject all dispensed reagents into anyone who tries to use them if the dispenser is currently in botany

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:40 pm #276050

Screemonster wrote:if a botanist steals my dispenser am I allowed to inject its entire contents into them when I take it back

edit: make chem dispensers inject all dispensed reagents into anyone who tries to use them if the dispenser is currently in botany

Yes

Screemonster · Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:40 pm

is that a yes to the question or a yes to the suggestion

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:41 pm #276055

iamgoofball wrote:I'm going to reinforce chemistry today

freeze is on though

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:49 pm #276059

who am i