spooky russian codebase

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:37 am #264507

Bottom post of the previous page:

Speaking of Lavaland, I had a idea for a partial remake of the Lavaland mining base if we get multi-z levels, create a sort of proper upper landing zone.

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iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:42 am #264508

WE CAN MAKE A DWARF FORTRESS MAP

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:13 am #264517

Alternative idea to have the mining base be in three levels. This includes a underground level, the ground floor and the upper level.

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Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:49 am #264545

I'm not really sure how much more stress every z-level is going to add, if you have a station with 3 levels and a mining base with 3 levels that's 4 new z-levels and 4*255 new turfs.

And atmos processing is going to become more complicated with inter-z-level interaction.

Remie Richards · Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:02 am

Ricotez wrote:I'm not really sure how much more stress every z-level is going to add, if you have a station with 3 levels and a mining base with 3 levels that's 4 new z-levels and 4*255 new turfs.

And atmos processing is going to become more complicated with inter-z-level interaction.

Not much more, atmos tiles move in 4 directions, this would up it to 6 (UP and DOWN are byond dirs)

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:55 am #264571

Maps looks much nicer with the new vg lighting, here's a ingame image of the level 1 of RusStation.

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DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:56 am #264573

isn't it absurd that it took years of development for an atmospheric toolboxing simulator to have atmosphere

Remie Richards · Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:57 am

DemonFiren wrote:isn't it absurd that it took years of development for an atmospheric toolboxing simulator to have atmosphere

You know that's not what that meeeeeaaaans!

Saul_Myers · Post by **Saul_Myers** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:09 pm #264647

Heard you need a cyka from vodkaland.
Native russian reporting in.
I know jack shit about programming, but I aspire to become a translator. Already translated at least a part of one game to russian, translating to english is usually much easier.
I'll be glad to help.
tbh english is my drug. I find myself thinking in english, sometimes speaking to myself in english and it brings great joy to me. I'll be really happy to offer any help I can.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:14 pm #264651

As German I know that feel, but when do we Germans ever get any crazy programmers?

Remie Richards · Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:25 pm

Saul_Myers wrote:Heard you need a cyka from vodkaland.
Native russian reporting in.
I know jack shit about programming, but I aspire to become a translator. Already translated at least a part of one game to russian, translating to english is usually much easier.
I'll be glad to help.
tbh english is my drug. I find myself thinking in english, sometimes speaking to myself in english and it brings great joy to me. I'll be really happy to offer any help I can.

1. Thanks for the help, but I've rolled my own custom system for efficiency
2. This is very common for people who speak a second language, you tend to think in it more often and make better decisions in it (due to your brain having to work harder, it takes longer, and thus ends up thinking on decisions for longer tending to an overall improvement in judgement)

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:03 pm #264944

It looks pretty good, it's only missing Remie's south 3D thing.

Alipheese · Post by **Alipheese** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:35 pm #264945

The fact this is actually a possible thing and its being worked on is making me moist. Keep going.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:57 pm #264947

One step closer to 3Dspessmen.

WJohnston · Post by **WJohnston** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:13 pm #266060

Hey remie, just curious, would it be possible to give lower z levels a pixel offset? Like maybe 16 or 24 or even 32 pixels down. I think it'd be useful to see vertical stretches of walls to give the impression of verticality.

Also, how feasible would it be to see things above you? It'd really help if, when you're in an open room, you can see multiple z levels above you, like balconies. There's a severe disconnect when you can only look down that way.

Remie Richards · Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:22 pm

WJohnston wrote:Hey remie, just curious, would it be possible to give lower z levels a pixel offset? Like maybe 16 or 24 or even 32 pixels down. I think it'd be useful to see vertical stretches of walls to give the impression of verticality.

Also, how feasible would it be to see things above you? It'd really help if, when you're in an open room, you can see multiple z levels above you, like balconies. There's a severe disconnect when you can only look down that way.

entirely possible to shift it, yes, I've considered it myself, but I won't test that until it's all done and ready.

There won't be any "seeing up", but you will be able to throw your client's eye up one z level (like lifeweb), allowing you to see the Z above as if you were on it (this means effectively seeing YOURSELF a z below), but only where there's holes, obviously.

WJohnston · Post by **WJohnston** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:36 pm #266067

Hm, if I were to design a station around this, I'd have to make sure to include a pretty huge amount of 3d elements to really help with understanding your surroundings. Balconies and overpasses and whatnot are gonna be very common.

I think this'd be a lot of fun to work with.

Okand37 · Post by **Okand37** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:46 pm #266074

This looks really pretty and would definitely be a great addition visually and gameplay wise. Now we can truly be agent 47 and snipe people from balconies!

Remie Richards · Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:47 am

Expect delays, I've just about lost all my goodwill for the SS13 community.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:52 am #266359

WJohnston wrote:Hm, if I were to design a station around this, I'd have to make sure to include a pretty huge amount of 3d elements to really help with understanding your surroundings. Balconies and overpasses and whatnot are gonna be very common.

I think this'd be a lot of fun to work with.

The Russian Station is a good showcase for this, it makes good usage of the added dimension.

Remie Richards wrote:Expect delays, I've just about lost all my goodwill for the SS13 community.

A shame, hope you'll regain your goodwill over time.

Doctor Pork · Post by **Doctor Pork** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:11 pm #266369

Remie Richards wrote:Expect delays, I've just about lost all my goodwill for the SS13 community.

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:47 pm #266438

don't expect anything good ever from this community

TheColdTurtle · Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:23 pm

What happened remie?

Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:45 pm

>see a remie post in the thread
>excited as fuck
>read the post
>die inside

A bunch of cunts emerged from the woodworks to bully Remie on a github PR, a lot from outside our community but some from ours. Like it was a little disagreement but then a bunch of people just swooped in with straight up name calling and outright hostility.

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:47 pm #266504

PKPenguin321 wrote:>see a remie post in the thread
>excited as fuck
>read the post
>die inside

A bunch of cunts emerged from the woodworks to bully Remie on a github PR, a lot from outside our community but some from ours. Like it was a little disagreement but then a bunch of people just swooped in with straight up name calling and outright hostility.

ITT: genuine rage

what the fuck, that's ridiculous

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:19 pm #266541

ITT: Why coders don't trust the community and why we can't have nice things.

Post by **oranges** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:29 pm #266543

a thin skin won't get you very far in life

Remie Richards · Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:29 pm

oranges wrote:a thin skin won't get you very far in life

Neither does needlessly shitting on people, but you wouldn't know that would you?

Post by **oranges** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:30 pm #266545

I dunno I've got pretty far so far.

Post by **oranges** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:32 pm #266547

It would be a shame if some childish bigots stopped you contributing to something you enjoy doing Remie, I just dont' want to see them win is all.

Remie Richards · Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:34 pm

Nice save fruit man.

Keyword was "delays", not cancellation.
I have lost a lot of my goodwill for some people at this point, but I also don't want the people I do still care about to miss out just because of some pathetic individuals.

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:35 pm #266617

your avatar is hot so you must be a good person

seriously though, hope it didn't get to you too badly

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:47 am #266805

I'll fight them

Doctor Pork · Post by **Doctor Pork** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:16 pm #267451

heck those people

HECK THEM RIGHT IN THEIR HECKIN BUTTS

TrustyGun · Post by **TrustyGun** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:47 pm #267939

I hope you didnt give up on this project, it seemed legitimately cool and interesting

JStheguy · Post by **JStheguy** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:37 am #268387

PKPenguin321 wrote:>see a remie post in the thread
>excited as fuck
>read the post
>die inside

A bunch of cunts emerged from the woodworks to bully Remie on a github PR, a lot from outside our community but some from ours. Like it was a little disagreement but then a bunch of people just swooped in with straight up name calling and outright hostility.

Spacemen will never be able to into depth.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:05 am #268424

hey listen

Sorry about getting angry over the statue

It was just a shitty sprite

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:05 am #268425

Also if you're quitting and or delaying drop the source

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:09 am #268426

I mean you did turn what was supposed to be a memorial based on someone's death into a gender issue for no reason since anyone could see that the sprite was androgynous.

Not that I condone what happened, but you opened that can of worms on your own.

WJohnston · Post by **WJohnston** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:43 am #268437

cat's out of the bag abort ABORT

Remie Richards · Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:05 am

D&B wrote:I mean you did turn what was supposed to be a memorial based on someone's death into a gender issue for no reason since anyone could see that the sprite was androgynous.

Not that I condone what happened, but you opened that can of worms on your own.

No disrespect was meant, in fact, that was the whole point.
It was expanded from a memorial to Arc, to a memorial for everyone, it was about being inclusive and respectful
So GOD forbid I suggest we go a tiny bit further to make sure it's doing what it should, and I'm shat all over? Totally fair right guys, totally.

WJohnston wrote:cat's out of the bag abort ABORT

?

Post by **MMMiracles** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:16 pm #268477

I want to live in a world where I can elbow-drop the HoS from the third story as a clown.

Don't take this away from me. please.

Remie Richards · Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:31 pm

It's not over, just delayed.
I need time to actually work on it, so it'll probably be the weekend.

ShadowDimentio · Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:40 pm

Changing zlevels or looking on different zlevels is definitely going to require some new hotkeys and HUD buttons.

Atticat · Post by **Atticat** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:28 pm #268559

For anybody interested, the IP for the spooky russian server is byond://ss13.ru:2511

We should really host it sometime on the third server.

Remie Richards · Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:32 pm

ShadowDimentio wrote:Changing zlevels or looking on different zlevels is definitely going to require some new hotkeys and HUD buttons.

this is correct, yes.
My plan is for a little head looking up to slide out onto your UI when you can look up, and slide off again when you can't, when it's enabled it'll instead look straight forward, to indicate you can look back at your normal Z.

Going up and down with items (jetpacks) or abilities (xenos?) will just be action buttons.

confused rock · Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:51 pm

Ctrl pgup/down for flight would be fuckin sick tho

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:55 pm #269007

Remie Richards wrote:
ShadowDimentio wrote:Changing zlevels or looking on different zlevels is definitely going to require some new hotkeys and HUD buttons.
this is correct, yes.
My plan is for a little head looking up to slide out onto your UI when you can look up, and slide off again when you can't, when it's enabled it'll instead look straight forward, to indicate you can look back at your normal Z.

Going up and down with items (jetpacks) or abilities (xenos?) will just be action buttons.

>slide out heads

Spoiler:

Remie Richards · Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:39 pm

DemonFiren wrote: >slide out heads
Spoiler:

Implement children when?

Amusingly, not far off.

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Remie Richards · Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:48 pm

Update:
Gases spread between Zs now.
Next will be pipes + wires.
Then explosions (because it's like 2 lines).

And then I'll push an initial PR.
Timescale is probably for the end of the weekend.

Jazaen · Post by **Jazaen** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:52 pm #269605

Yay.
Are plasma fires going to spread through Z levels?