Vision Cones Bounty

onleavedontatme · Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:24 pm

STP has agreed to pay 100 brit dollars to whoever codes the negative vision cones.

The dead area of vision has to extend in a cone behind the mob, preferably with a soft dark overlay. Turfs and objects should still be visible under this cone, but mobs should be invisible.

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:30 pm #256894

100 dosh for something that will go the way of gun crafting

onleavedontatme · Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:44 pm

Except I like vision cones so I'll be merging it.

Also it shouldn't really matter to the person coding it whether it gets merged or not since they're getting ~124 USD

lzimann · Post by **lzimann** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:49 pm #256901

I'll give it a try.

Remie Richards · Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:51 pm

lzimann wrote:I'll give it a try.

No offence, but you're not going to get a performant implementation without help.

lzimann · Post by **lzimann** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:07 pm #256913

Remie Richards wrote:
lzimann wrote:I'll give it a try.
No offence, but you're not going to get a performant implementation without help.

I know.

IcePacks · Post by **IcePacks** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:42 pm #256930

calzilla1 wrote:100 dosh for something that will go the way of gun crafting

muh realism

lzimann · Post by **lzimann** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:45 pm #256932

Actually as much as I like money, I already have too much stuff I want to do/am doing so I'll have to pass my attempt.

ShadowDimentio · Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:50 pm

Oh great Kor's gonna speedmerge this and cockblock removal attempts if people hate it.

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:51 pm #256934

ShadowDimentio wrote:Oh great Kor's gonna speedmerge this and cockblock removal attempts if people hate it.

Remie Richards · Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:55 pm

showing all objects could be weird.
>Object moving by itself
>No wind
>Very obvious there's a person involved

Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:12 pm

ShadowDimentio wrote:Oh great Kor's gonna speedmerge this and cockblock removal attempts if people hate it.

Being able to see behind you is silly, I don't see much to hate about the change if it ever happens

Also if someone actually does do this please remind me, because i don't check github that often

IcePacks · Post by **IcePacks** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:44 pm #256944

i can see the pros (more dangerous maintain tunnels!) but getting suckerpunched from behind by a nukeop in the middle of a firefight would suck

make it so that running mobs and attacking mobs are visible

danno · Post by **danno** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:49 pm #256945

The way it's been done before is that things moving behind you make a sort of noise radar ping that's pretty obvious. If something is running up behind you, you will know.

This idea has worked well in practice before and in my experience and the opinions of people who have also tried it I find that it's not actually that difficult to get used to. I'm not going to pretend like it'll just fit and be a cake walk for /tg/station but I don't think it'll be THAT bad.

Munchlax · Post by **Munchlax** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:24 pm #256967

looks annoying as fuck and also

IcePacks wrote: muh realism

XDTM · Post by **XDTM** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:42 pm #256976

IcePacks wrote:i can see the pros (more dangerous maintain tunnels!) but getting suckerpunched from behind by a nukeop in the middle of a firefight would suck

make it so that running mobs and attacking mobs are visible

That sounds like fun gameplay, just a sneaky op coming up behind you to stab you in the back while you're chasing his friends

Post by **Armhulen** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:46 pm #256977

double damage for sneak attacks when?

captain sawrge · Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:48 pm

Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:42 pm

Do you see the ceiling if you lie face up? Does everything go black if you lie face down?

Munchlax · Post by **Munchlax** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:47 pm #257009

captain sawrge wrote:

lmao

Nienhaus · Post by **Nienhaus** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:43 pm #257047

Why don't you just ask the person who made the video....

mattroks101 · Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:43 pm

Holy shit I never fucking imagined my vision cone test would spark this.

Nienhaus · Post by **Nienhaus** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:44 pm #257050

mattroks101 wrote:Holy shit I never fucking imagined my vision cone test would spark this.

Matty!

Post by **oranges** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:58 pm #257056

Kor wrote:Except I like vision cones so I'll be merging it.

Also it shouldn't really matter to the person coding it whether it gets merged or not since they're getting ~124 USD

That's not really how this works

IcePacks · Post by **IcePacks** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:31 am #257289

danno wrote:The way it's been done before is that things moving behind you make a sort of noise radar ping that's pretty obvious. If something is running up behind you, you will know.

This idea has worked well in practice before and in my experience and the opinions of people who have also tried it I find that it's not actually that difficult to get used to. I'm not going to pretend like it'll just fit and be a cake walk for /tg/station but I don't think it'll be THAT bad.

Combat in SS13 is a messy, direction-changey affair. My suggestion would leave combat relatively unchanged but still include sneaky shenanigans.

mattroks101 · Post by **mattroks101** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:22 am #257338

Me personally, I think some sort of "lock dir" button would be very handy. I've seen old footage of lifeweb pre "lock dir". It looked kinda chaotic. I'll look into adding one.

onleavedontatme · Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:14 am

Definitely need to make shoving not change your direction.

We have a lock direction/strafe mode for mechs already, shouldn't be hard to add to humans.

Remie Richards · Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:25 am

mattroks101 wrote:Holy shit I never fucking imagined my vision cone test would spark this.

It didn't, we were discussing the idea prior to your video.
It just helps as a handy example.

Oldman Robustin · Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:34 am

Benefit: Slightly more immersive/paranoid/strategic

Cost: The inevitable dozens of technical issues, cheap tactics (do we really need to make it even easier to ambush people in this game? jesus fuck ebows would piss me off even more when I can't even see when people whip them out), and general clunkiness of a top-down game giving you a blind spot

Interesting idea but ultimately its going to hurt the game more than it will help I think, too many problems for a really niche benefit.

XDTM · Post by **XDTM** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:08 pm #257504

Coming in from behind someone is not a cheap tactic but pretty much the basic mechanic of any stealth game. It would also give a handy excuse for removing some of the more frustrating traitor items such as the ebow, because after cones you'll be expected to pick your moment to get someone from the back instead of "welp, he can see you wherever you go, so you need a ranged silent stun to take someone down silently".

Only issue i see is that since we only have 4 dirs moving around will shift the cone very unsmoothly, which looks pretty bad.

Aloraydrel · Post by **Aloraydrel** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:17 pm #257567

I'd honestly like to see this merged/test merged if it ever does come about. Would make stealth attacking from behind actually possible

Iatots · Post by **Iatots** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:05 pm #257596

Remie Richards wrote:showing all objects could be weird.
>Object moving by itself
>No wind
>Very obvious there's a person involved

This is very noticeable in lifeweb, you could (can?) see people bleeding too, as well as objects being thrown around.

onleavedontatme · Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:06 pm

My emergency headcanon to explain such things is that you can hear objects being moved around.

Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:35 pm #257608

I feel like leaving a 2 tile buffer of vision around a person beyond cones would be a good idea.

Still it makes combat waay more intense

Post by **Cobby** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:10 am #257788

Kor wrote:My emergency headcanon to explain such things is that you can hear objects being moved around.

years of monotonous assembly-line like working with NT has made you more aurally aware of surroundings.

This looks like something you'd use the plane system for.

Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:18 am

ExcessiveCobblestone wrote:
Kor wrote:My emergency headcanon to explain such things is that you can hear objects being moved around.
years of monotonous assembly-line like working with NT has made you more aurally aware of surroundings.

This looks like something you'd use the plane system for.

I don't see how planes would come into play in this scenario.

Remie Richards · Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:39 pm

Yeah planes aren't the right tool for this.

Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:45 pm

I already gave mattroks the britbong money so i guess this bounty is claimed now or whatever