Purchasable Shuttles

[Screemonster]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Do loyalist crew in the pleb-compartment still count for preventing a hijack objective?

'cause they shouldn't.

[onleavedontatme]

Do loyalist crew in the pleb-compartment still count for preventing a hijack objective?

'cause they shouldn't.

I could make it brig floor

[Grazyn]

Dunno if it's intended but if you have money in a money bag (es. shitton of gold coins) it won't count for the luxury shuttle fare.

[onleavedontatme]

Dunno if it's intended but if you have money in a money bag (es. shitton of gold coins) it won't count for the luxury shuttle fare.

It needs to recursively search all storage objects for money I guess

[Cobby]

Do loyalist crew in the pleb-compartment still count for preventing a hijack objective?

'cause they shouldn't.

Make the pleb tiles function similarly to the brig tiles where you lose if you're on it.

[Saegrimr]

Goofball at it again, this time getting the reasoning and the situation 100% wrong.

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/21949

[iamgoofball]

Ban reason clearly states his "last act" or last straw was purchasing the shuttle.

[Wyzack]

GUYS HE WAS FUCKING WEARING SHOES WHEN HE GOT BAN ED QUICK PR SHOE REMOVAL THINK OF THE PLAYERS

[Wyzack]

Can you get banned from the repo for making stupid meme prs to try and push your own retarded political agenda? Asking for a friend

[Saegrimr]

Ban reason clearly states much more than that, you dyslexic fuck. Read the entire thing.

[iamgoofball]

Can you get banned from the repo for making stupid meme prs to try and push your own retarded political agenda? Asking for a friend

Fuck youuuuuuuu. He got banned as a result of the purchase of that shuttle, and I don't want players to get banned by cuntlords like yourself who enforce rules and not fun enjoyable gameplay experiences for using features we the coders gave them.
By the way, suck my dick. Choke on it. If you can ad hom so can I.

Ban reason clearly states much more than that, you dyslexic fuck. Read the entire thing.

No shit sherlock, the CE was assaulted by the RD for getting resources to build a shuttle so the crew had something to escape on. If he hadn't bought the shuttle in the first place, this shit wouldn't of even happened.

The Captain also authorized a demotion BY THE RD and demotions in this game are either equal to or a step just barely before death. Don't even pretend this isn't true. Most demotions end with you naked in the halls without even an ID.

[Saegrimr]

Where the fuck do I even start.

Fuck youuuuuuuu. He got banned as a result of the purchase of that shuttle,

WRONG, He got banned because, in big letters because you seem to have incredible difficulty reading.

the CE pushed the RD off the station z-level. Baiting players into escalations after the starting conflict is not tolerated.

and I don't want players to get banned by cuntlords like yourself who enforce rules and not fun enjoyable gameplay experiences for using features we the coders gave them.

OH BLESS THEE HOLY CODER FOR GIVING ME THE STUN BATON SO THAT I MAY THEN KILL THE SEC OFFICER WHO STUNBATONNED ME FOR ESCALATION.
NO MY LORD, PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE THY HOLY BATON.

If he hadn't bought the shuttle in the first place, this shit wouldn't of even happened.

OH SHIT, We're getting somewhere.

>starting conflict
YOU'RE RIGHT HE DID THAT

>Baiting players into escalations
>after the starting conflict

demotions in this game are either equal to or a step just barely before death. Don't even pretend this isn't true. Most demotions end with you naked in the halls without even an ID.

Remove ID consoles, and IDs entirely then. Tie all door access to an arbitrary faction list you spawn with. There now theres no more conflict and escalation with being demoted either!

Are you fucking serious?

[onleavedontatme]

The "escalation" and "no baiting" sections of the rules seem pretty much contradictory and incompatible, someone really needs to clarify those sections.

[Wyzack]

Goof as long as you are insistent on being a bullheaded cunt about this I would hope you could address Seag's comment about how the shuttle is incidental to the actual ban reason

Also you could not handle my super hot suk of dik

[captain sawrge]

great thread

[Arianya]

The Captain also authorized a demotion BY THE RD and demotions in this game are either equal to or a step just barely before death. Don't even pretend this isn't true. Most demotions end with you naked in the halls without even an ID.

Most of the time when I've tried to action a demotion I've either had resistance or outright hostility from the subject of my demotion, to the point of people commiting space suicide out of spite, so this is more a case of people being snowflakes about losing their access then anything.

But no, death is not comparable to demotion. Death, depending on whats done with the corpse, removes you from the round forevermore, or at the very least knocks you out for 5+ minutes depending on how backed up cloning is.

Demotion, done right, leaves you with agency in the round and even gives you ~insightful RP reasons~ to seek revenge, however you so choose to do that. Or to become a drunk who tells the bartender his woes.

Regardless, the ban was evidently not just for the shuttle, and hopping on the server and shit stirring in OOC and PRs seems like really low level demagoguery to try and defend a feature you feel is under attack.

Also, the CE doesn't have a intrinsic right to buy a shuttle, so harping on about "the guy whos in charge of building stuff" is irrelevant. The Captain has jurisdiction over the shuttle, full stop. He can obviously delegate, but the CE has squat say in what shuttle is bought.

Personally, I feel the Build Your Own Shuttle is neat from the perspective of giving engineers something to do but suffers from certain issues, such as Almost every single one I've been on lacking atmospheric pressure or O2, which the engineers don't care about because hurf durf hardsuits.

In terms of actual constructive criticism, I'd suggest bringing the BYO shuttle into either 0 cost or positive cost but have it arrive with some supplies, such as O2 and Nitrogen canisters (better get that atmos mix right!) and some metal, glass, cables, etc. This at the very least allows Engineering to make a basic shuttle without getting into ~resource wars~ but still allows them the flexibility to add more features, like consoles, cryopods, etc. with science's co-operation.

[Grazyn]

Those passive-aggressive/troll PRs are getting quite annoying now, can you please start gitbanning coders for that?

[CPTANT]

Man you have to seriously have something stuck up your ass to see purchasing a shuttle as "starting a conflict" or "ban baiting"

Because the following chain off events seems like perfectly fine escalation to me:

1. Buy shitty shuttle

2. Get hit by a mad RD

3. hit back

5. nothing for a while

4. Get hit again by mad RD again.

5. Push angry RD off shuttle.

[Screemonster]

Also, the CE doesn't have a intrinsic right to buy a shuttle, so harping on about "the guy whos in charge of building stuff" is irrelevant. The Captain has jurisdiction over the shuttle, full stop. He can obviously delegate, but the CE has squat say in what shuttle is bought.

pretty much

It's not "bannable to buy the BYO shuttle" at all.

What is bannable is barging up to the console wordlessly while the captain's trying to buy the shuttle he actually wants, mashing the meme shuttle button while his ID is in it regardless of what the captain actually wants, then tossing people into space when they react to these actions when you have a history of being a cunt already.

It's not bannable to give someone an all-access ID, but it sure as fuck would be actionable for a nonantag to wait for the HoP to be upgrading someone's access, charge into the room, shove him out of the way, slap your ID in there, mash the allaccess button and run off while murdering "in self defence" anyone who tries to arrest you. I GUESS WE SHOULD REMOVE ID CONSOLES SINCE IT'S BANNABLE TO USE THEM THOUGH

[Wyzack]

tfw iamgoofball will never reply to this thread again after demanding i suck his dick and then refusing the acknowledge the fact that the shuttle had very little to do with the ban

Don't know why i expected anything better. Just another iamgoofball (tm) shitfit meltdown

[CPTANT]

tfw iamgoofball will never reply to this thread again after demanding i suck his dick and then refusing the acknowledge the fact that the shuttle had very little to do with the ban

Don't know why i expected anything better. Just another iamgoofball (tm) shitfit meltdown

Actually the judgement that buying the shuttle was a form of starting a conflict has pretty much to do with the ban.

[Wyzack]

It is purely incidental though. A million billion other things could have happened to start a conflict that would lead to the exact same series of escalation, and we do not go around removing the start of the argument every time someone gets banned for it

[Arianya]

It is purely incidental though. A million billion other things could have happened to start a conflict that would lead to the exact same series of escalation, and we do not go around removing the start of the argument every time someone gets banned for it

Wyzack I'm afraid you're wrong and insulated gloves should be removed from the game because people are getting banned for starting conflict with it.

[iamgoofball]

I'm at work I'll get back to you tonight fam

[Wyzack]

ty bb

[Arianya]

tfw iamgoofball will never reply to this thread again after demanding i suck his dick and then refusing the acknowledge the fact that the shuttle had very little to do with the ban

Don't know why i expected anything better. Just another iamgoofball (tm) shitfit meltdown

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[Doctor Pork]

Question: how big is the build area for the BYOS?

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Question: how big is the build area for the BYOS?

Its about the same as the normal meta shuttle but slightly thinner and longer.

[Arianya]

I have some feelings on negative cost for shuttles.

I can't cite my source but a while back Kor said the intention of negative cost was to give an incentive to buy these shuttles.

Realistically, people buy the "dangerous" (STV-5, Asteroid, BYO (Yes the BYO goes in this category until I see people actually make one be airtight and pressurised) shuttles for one of three reasons:

• Da memes
• Buying something immediately available rather then having to go pester cargo about getting points up
• Buying something to stop someone else buying a shitty shuttle later on

The third point is one that will hopefully be addressed once rebuying/refunding shuttles is an option, but the first point isn't really changed by cost (people like the asteroid shuttle because it craters the station).

The second point is a good reason to shift all ships into positive cost, as it increases... "Inter Departmental Interaction!(TM)" and also allows positive cost shuttles to sit neck and neck with their negative brethren. You can balance this out a little by giving the shuttles things to justify their price, i.e. the BYO Shuttle comes with some basic supplies, the asteroid shuttle comes with more mining equipment, etc.

[Grazyn]

It's not really an incentive, it's a way to boost cargo points in exchange for a dangerous shuttle that will jeopardise escape for the whole crew. I understand that people buy it for the meme and a shot at griefing someone as a non-antag only role, but the idea behind it is solid. Giving them positive cost will defeat the purpose IMHO

[Arianya]

It's not really an incentive, it's a way to boost cargo points in exchange for a dangerous shuttle that will jeopardise escape for the whole crew. I understand that people buy it for the meme and a shot at griefing someone as a non-antag only role, but the idea behind it is solid. Giving them positive cost will defeat the purpose IMHO

Heres the thing though, no one particularly cares about "jeopardising escape for the whole crew". A captain isn't held responsible for mortality or evacuation rates on the station, and so the sole person in control of the decision has no incentive to ever buy a safe shuttle, since the meme shuttles are funnier and the captain is immune to most dangers that come with them. (Has own hardsuit, has weaponry to the gills, easy access to the Vault for money, etc)

The only negative cost shuttle you don't see as often as Build Your Own and Asteroid is STV-5 and thats because it comes with weapons and no insulated command area that might lead to the captain dying. I'm not sure if we're tracking any stats on shuttles such as how many times a shuttle is bought.

My feeling is that if you give these shuttles positive cost (possibly after the refund/change the shuttle implementation), they'll still be bought but won't be defacto choices that don't require the Captain to care about cargo credits, a thing he already doesn't care about excepting the rare occasions cargo is important (i.e. rev rounds) to lock in the shuttle choice ASAP.