2k16 /pol/

[DrPillzRedux]

Bottom post of the previous page:

You're missing the entire issue. The big case against the emails was not just keeping it on her own personal server, but the breach of classified documents via sharing with people she knows. The FBI has already found with this link that Huma Abadick had copied and forwarded classified documents to her own personal email without clearance.

[Screemonster]

elect Hillary then immediately impeach her for maximum keks

[MisterPerson]

Well duh, Huma was acting as a secretary. Once the emails were off a government system, people were going to do all kinds of shit with them, including forwarding and printing them off. That's why they weren't supposed to be on a private email system in the first place. However just because the emails are classified doesn't mean Huma or whoever knowingly removed classified documents from their proper place. If they're not marked, Huma and Clinton and everyone is kind of assuming nothing is classified and treating everything as such. If any of these emails are clearly marked classified with the headers, Huma, Hillary, and whoever sent the email in the first place are all in Deep Shit.

Frankly unless it's obviously classified OR something Hillary knew was classified, it's probably nothing. Either way, assuming it's something before the FBI says anything is foolish. Frankly I wouldn't even be opposed to literally delaying the fucking election until this mess is sorted out. I don't want Hillary winning if she's a felon, and I don't want the general public making judgement calls on her guilt without all the facts.

[DrPillzRedux]

>before the FBI says anything

Almost everyone involved in the case in the FBI wanted to indite her, but Comey is a political hack who's trying to save face now by throwing her under the bus like she should be.

[tedward1337]

elect Hillary then immediately impeach her for maximum keks

[ShadowDimentio]

elect Hillary then immediately impeach her for maximum keks

>Hillary wins
>She goes to the white house to swear in
>Opens the door, Trump is there
>Trump has just completed the ceremony
>THE THRONE IS MINE, GET HER BOYS!

[XSI]

>before the FBI says anything

Almost everyone involved in the case in the FBI wanted to indite her, but Comey is a political hack who's trying to save face now by throwing her under the bus like she should be.

Wasnt the guy tracked to being hired by Hillary for some kind of organization at some point? Literally covering eachother.
That and the fact he started a speech on the topic with 'I like having a living family', while the jewish number magic conversion of his entire speech said "Hillary has my family please help"?

This election amuses me

[Grazyn]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37857785

tl;dr: Britain realizes the referendum was non-binding

[ShadowDimentio]

The fucking height of shame. The losers of Brexit still won't stop crying about how "their opinions are being ignored!" even after they were asked once in the fucking referendum if they should leave and they either didn't bother voting or were in the minority.

Democracy is falling apart in Britain.

[Screemonster]

they need to stop picking at the edges and rip the fucking plaster off already

[Malkevin]

Called it

[MisterPerson]

In election news, Trump had a really good week in the polls and has closed the gap bigly. He's now only down by like a point and a half. He'd still have to overshoot his polls but only by the margin of error just with the reporting, much less the sampling. And there could be some more movement before the election either in his favor or against him. As a reference, fivethirtyeight.com gives him a ~30% chance of winning.

[oranges]

Democracy is falling apart in Britain.

Brexit Secretary David Davis said he presumed the court ruling meant an act of Parliament would be required to trigger Article 50 - so would be subject to approval by both MPs and peers.

subject to approval by both MPs and peers.

What did he mean by this?

[Malkevin]

Well MPs are Members of Parliament that are elected (in a terrible system) and peers are the rich inbred aristocracy that get seats because their daddies have money and land.

[ShadowDimentio]

What did he mean by this?

A vote was held to Brexit and the census was leave. Afterward the bellyaching from the losers about losing is causing it to be reverted before it was even attempted. The cornerstone of democracy is majority rule, and the Brits just broke it.

[K-64]

Because in a serious, nation-defining vote, 51.4% is totally a majority and not the kind of result that is within the margin of error, right?

[Anonmare]

Because in a serious, nation-defining vote, 49.6% is totally a majority and not the kind of result that is within the margin of error, right?

FTFY fampai

[ShadowDimentio]

Irrelevant. A vote was cast and Brexit won, that's all that matters.

[Wyzack]

Unless the vote is for Hillary Clinton being elected amirite?

[ShadowDimentio]

False equivalence. One was legit, the other is highly suspicious.

[onleavedontatme]

The cornerstone of democracy is majority rule

I don't have any strong opinions about Brexit (though they shouldn't have had a referendum if they didn't want to follow through on it) and they'd be irrelevant anyway since it's not my country, but

1. UK isn't a democracy.

2. You'd think someone who claims to be conservative and loves the constitution etc would appreciate how our own government was explicitly designed to avoid straight majority rule and protect minority interests.

[ShadowDimentio]

1. UK isn't a democracy.

2. You'd think someone who claims to be conservative and loves the constitution etc would appreciate how our own government was explicitly designed to avoid straight majority rule and protect minority interests.

Constitutional monarchy is a type of democracy.

I never claimed to be a conservative ever. Also minority interests are irrelevant if they're in conflict with the majority unless such is some variation of human rights violation.

[D&B]

Reading some of the emails it seems that Killary was involved in several high profile pedophile rings.

And two or three cults

[Grazyn]

The Remain and Leave campaigns should just own to the fact that they poured obscene amount of misinformation on the people, jeopardizing what would have otherwise been a democratic consultation. Doomsday scenarios on one side (economy will crash and the island will starve to death, even though the european single market is a different thing from the EU) and outright lies on the other (we will keep the brown people out, even though the UK already isn't part of the Schengen Agreement and can make its own immigration policy). I'm not British and as I was watching those pre-brexit interviews, I couldn't help but think "God, those people are fucking clueless"

[XSI]

Reading some of the emails it seems that Killary was involved in several high profile pedophile rings.

And two or three cults

Nothing new here. The elite has always been that way. Funny thing is that the majority of that shit they're doing is purely for their own conscience and ways to make them able to live with themselves and their decisions, while the worst parts are just team building exercises that you're never allowed to tell anyone about.


Brexit was a mess, but at least it showed that the people, regular people, hate this whole globalism crap and mass immigration. Nothing good comes from it, except that it lines politician's wallets.

[Ricotez]

Brexit showed that people are fucking idiots who will vote for things they don't want and then whine for a retry when the thing they didn't want but did vote for turns out to win.

[Incomptinence]

The words "mandatory vote" waft through the gumtrees.

[ShadowDimentio]

Mandatory voting doesn't mean people will think before voting, just that they'll have to show up. Still, better that than nothing.

[Malkevin]

Technically speaking, no modern democracy is a good democracy - voting was an abhorrent concept to ancient greek democracy

[MisterPerson]

Reading some of the emails it seems that Killary was involved in several high profile pedophile rings.

And two or three cults

Have you actually seen the emails involved in the "pedophilia"? Because I have and I assure you they say no such thing. They're literally like "hey warm up your pool, we're bringing my kids over to play in" and "pizza's great!" with an image of their kids eating pizza attached.

The cult stuff I've not looked at but for some reason, I don't trust /pol/. Can't imagine why.

Actually I decided to look into it. While it's possible some shit happened if we assume the host of the supposedly culty event lied to the media about it just being a normal dinner, it's important to remember that only John Podesta's brother, Tom, actually went. John declined to go and Hillary was never invited in the first place. Apparently it was an award for backing the artist's Kickstarter and Tom's been a fan since the early 90's. It was also only a one-time thing. I dunno about you, but when I join a religion, I don't show up once and go home satisfied forever. Doubly so for cults.

In other words, the cult stuff is full of shit too.

[Super Aggro Crag]

What is brexit

[Malkevin]

Freedom

[MisterPerson]

British Exit -> Brexit:

The Britbongs decided they didn't want to be in the European Union anymore. This means they don't have easy access to the Union's common markets, but they also don't have to deal with the regulations imposed by the Union.

Although it sounds like the name of a cracker. Mmmm brexits dipped in hummus sounds great right about now.

[XSI]

Nope

Technically the common market and the political union are two different things. But the politicians are trying to pressure Britain by claiming the common market will hate them and block them from it if they leave the political side of things.

Which, technically if they follow up on it, means that the European Union's claim to be a continuation of the things that came before it is false as it has failed by its original founding purpose. Which was to ensure France, Britain and Germany had a shared market so that there wouldn't be one country blocked from steel and war materials, one of the things leading to WW2 among many others.
If Britain is denied access to the common European market for whatever reason, then the EU loses what little is left of its legitimacy. Not that they had much of that anyway

[ShadowDimentio]

The EU wants to become a United States, which is unlikely to ever work. You can't just have a whole bunch of countries with sprawling histories and patchwork them together into a superstate.

The US only ever worked because the 13 colonies consisted of pretty much only British colonials who were pissed off with Britain proper and started their own country, then went from there.

[K-64]

Considering who your presidential candidates are, saying that the US is working is hilarious.

[ShadowDimentio]

Because Britain and Europe are doing so much better

[onleavedontatme]

Also minority interests are irrelevant if they're in conflict with the majority

Now I have a morbid curiosity what your political beliefs are outside of hating things that are politically correct. That'd be a pretty dangerous and unworkable way to run things.

[ShadowDimentio]

I'm extremely moderate on the economic scale and only slightly libertarian on the social scale.

[onleavedontatme]

What does that mean to you though? Moderate means different things to basically everyone, doesn't tell me much of anything by itself.

[Cik]

>tfw these people claim to be moderate

>tfw they actually agree with the tenets of republicanism and probably like """"""""emperor""""""""" napoleon and all of his ilk

restoration of bourbon monarchy when ancien regime a best

remember, republicanism is against god.

[Grazyn]

Nope

Technically the common market and the political union are two different things. But the politicians are trying to pressure Britain by claiming the common market will hate them and block them from it if they leave the political side of things.

Which, technically if they follow up on it, means that the European Union's claim to be a continuation of the things that came before it is false as it has failed by its original founding purpose. Which was to ensure France, Britain and Germany had a shared market so that there wouldn't be one country blocked from steel and war materials, one of the things leading to WW2 among many others.
If Britain is denied access to the common European market for whatever reason, then the EU loses what little is left of its legitimacy. Not that they had much of that anyway

The Single Market's policies and regulations are discussed and decided at the political level by members of the European Union. Because, you know, it's their market. As long as Britain was a member, they had a voice in it. Nobody wants to prevent other non-EU countries from joining the Market, look at Norway for example. But of course they don't get to influence the Market's policies, they just have the option to accept them or not (by having their own parliament vote on them).

This is just one of the other blatant lies from the Leave campaign "We need to leave the EU so they can no longer impose their fees and economic regulations on us!". Well good job, now you still get (actually, want) those regulations imposed on you, but you also lost any voice you had in it.

[ShadowDimentio]

In order to follow in the US's footsteps every country in it would have to give up most of their individuality and get boiled into a big homogeneous Europe, something very few would probably be willing to do.

[ShadowDimentio]

In other news apparently someone tried to assassinate Trump. That or someone tried to sabotage the rally by lying about a gun.

[Super Aggro Crag]

The last guy who tried to unite Europe shot himself in a bunker while bolshevists burned berlin

[Grazyn]

In other news apparently someone tried to assassinate Trump. That or someone tried to sabotage the rally by lying about a gun.

>guy holds Trump sign at Obama rally
>Obama orders everyone to shut up and sit down and defends the guy's right to free speech

>guy holds anti-Trump sign at Trump rally
>Trump tells the crowd to get rid of him
>crowd dogpiles on the guy
>some idiot shouts "Gun!"
>Trump is thrown off stage like a side of beef
>cops save the guy from lynch mob
>no gun or weapon is found
>Trump comes back and talks like he survived a fucking assassination attempt

[ShadowDimentio]

In fairness, Trump has apparently been buying the places he holds his rallies at for the days that he's there, making it 100% legal for him to request whoever he wants removed from the premises. So not really a free speech violation.

[Screemonster]

"request someone be removed from the premises" is a pretty far fucking cry from "mob, sic 'em" though

[ShadowDimentio]

True. If the crowd did act as described, then they were out of line and will be prosecuted I'm sure.

[Malkevin]

The last guy who tried to unite Europe shot himself in a bunker while bolshevists burned berlin

And the guy before him got shipped off to a little island off the coast of Africa.

[Super Aggro Crag]

Did you guys hear about south korea