Less to no attack messages in chat, replaced by visuals.

[kevinz000]

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/20962

[ShadowDimentio]

I can't tell you how many antags I've dunked because I knew who they were thanks to chat logs, this is a terrible idea

[ShadowDimentio]

WAIT IT'S NOT A PREFERENCE OPTION?

THE FUCKING IMBECILE CODERS STRAIGHT UP JUST FUCKED ME. GOOD LUCK OBSERVANT HOS TRYING TO DUNK CRIMS, YOU CAN'T IDENTIFY WHO'S BEATING THE CAPTAIN BECAUSE WHEN YOU APPROACHED THEY RAN BEFORE YOU COULD EXAMINE

GOOD FUCKING JOB YOU DEGENERATE IDIOTS, FIRST CLOTHES GETTING DELETED NOW THIS

[oranges]

Shadowdimento is scrubbing the floor and talking to himself

[Lumbermancer]

Would it be possible to split combat log and chat log? This would solve the spam problem.

[Shaps-cloud]

Being able to see the messages within 3 tiles is more than enough for me to be happy with the change

[Wyzack]

ThIs is going to make joining an existing conflict retardedly difficult. It will be a mess for players to deal with, and it really doesn't make any fucking sense

[Saegrimr]

I think its a good idea yet fucking stupid at the same time.
We're still miles ahead of other codebases with attack animations, so this starts to make more sense the more detailed they get.
Round a corner for a split second and know immediately that Grey McShirtface is getting clubbed in the left arm with a turned off stunbaton by Toolbox Smashstein out of the corner of your eye? Kinda dumb, but having no attack logs makes a lot of situations difficult. Though the within 3 tiles things helps that.

[kevinz000]

As security I like to stay out of melee range.

3 tiles is dangerously close from a conflict.

[Slignerd]

I'm fine with the idea, but the range far too short to be acceptable - it should be increased to 5.

[ShadowDimentio]

Why was this even needed? Does anyone here so seriously dislike IMPORTANT GAMEPLAY FEEDBACK that they'd cripple themselves just to lessen it?

And why the fuck isn't this a preference option if people actually want it so that the people who don't don't get FUCKED?

[Aloraydrel]

Git good and use your eyes

[Wyzack]

Yeah despite how our codebase will receive it this really inflicts it on all downstreams too

[Slignerd]

Many downstreams skip out on many mechanics, though?

[oranges]

many of our downstreams are hopelessly behind because they simply can't keep up with the pace of the changes in effect they've forked.

[ShadowDimentio]

Git good and use your eyes

Thanks for the advice sensei, now fuck off

[TrustyGun]

I'm fine with the idea, but the range far too short to be acceptable - it should be increased to 5.

Yeah, if it was 5 or even 7 tiles, it would be much better

[ShadowDimentio]

Seconded

[onleavedontatme]

I can't tell you how many antags I've dunked because I knew who they were thanks to chat logs, this is a terrible idea

This is why paranoia died. Everyone wants perfect information at all times.

[TechnoAlchemist]

It would be interesting if we could implement a system where the range you get text feedback for depends on which direction you're facing. EG events happening in front of you have a range of 7 while behind you is 3 or 2 with a mid range for peripheral events

[Remie Richards]

I'm fine with the idea, but the range far too short to be acceptable - it should be increased to 5.

Yeah, if it was 5 or even 7 tiles, it would be much better

it can't be 7, that'd be identical to how it is now.

15x15 view:
7 turfs east, 7 turfs west + centre turf, 15x15

[ShadowDimentio]

I can't tell you how many antags I've dunked because I knew who they were thanks to chat logs, this is a terrible idea

This is why paranoia died. Everyone wants perfect information at all times.

Oh one hand I agree, on the other it's a little too fucking late for this to be relevant. Paranoia died when parasting was gutted in favor of immortality and armblades.

[MMMiracles]

I can't tell you how many antags I've dunked because I knew who they were thanks to chat logs, this is a terrible idea

This is why paranoia died. Everyone wants perfect information at all times.

Oh one hand I agree, on the other it's a little too fucking late for this to be relevant. Paranoia died when parasting was gutted in favor of immortality and armblades.

you see, its funny because you actually think that shit-show of a mechanic was actually adding to paranoia, when all it did was make players anti-social freaks (if they weren't already lets be honest here).

[Aloraydrel]

This is why paranoia died. Everyone wants perfect information at all times.

Exactly but we need to valid the antags faster so remove it :^)

[ShadowDimentio]

you see, its funny because you actually think that shit-show of a mechanic was actually adding to paranoia, when all it did was make players anti-social freaks (if they weren't already lets be honest here).

I played with it and people refused to let anyone get within a square of them, and that's about as close to paranoia as we get here.

[kevinz000]

Well GREAT I just got killed in revs as HOS last round because I didn't get a single message when someone pulled a syringe gun and used it on me untill I was already dead.

[oranges]

wow you must really suck to miss the syringe message

[MMMiracles]

you see, its funny because you actually think that shit-show of a mechanic was actually adding to paranoia, when all it did was make players anti-social freaks (if they weren't already lets be honest here).

I played with it and people refused to let anyone get within a square of them, and that's about as close to paranoia as we get here.

it was less of 'paranoia' and more of "i have to play like this because i will get killed and my corpse hidden/gibbed if i don't majority of rounds", considering traitors also had parapens.

[ShadowDimentio]

There's always a price to be paid.

[aranamor]

Golly gee, the game about ambiguous situations and sneaky murder doesn't instantly spoonfeed you the info on who's the bad guy? What a shame, how will I ever effortlessly hunt down criminal scum and enforce the law at the end of a baton now?

No but really, I'm pretty in favor of this. Murder's hard enough to get away with without stunwhoring. This at least makes it easier, and I'm prepared to deal with the consequences of it as sec or med as long as someone's smart enough to play it off to their advantage. Or, you know, I could just stuncuff both parties and figure out what happened.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

I'd be in favour of a 4-tile radius but meh

[Saegrimr]

I'd be in favour of a 4-tile radius but meh

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/21077