new sprites

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:44 pm #216253

I don't like them. It breaks the classic feel of SS13. It's too bolded, sharp, and generally unfitting to the true style of SS13.

The shotgun shells look awful, pens got changed; I don't like the changes at all.

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:47 pm #216254

J_Madison wrote:I don't like them. It breaks the classic feel of SS13. It's too bolded, sharp, and generally unfitting to the true style of SS13.

The shotgun shells look awful, pens got changed; I don't like the changes at all.

I agree 100%. seriously we don't need new sprites. Especially that fuck awful body bag. Still gonna say that they look like goon station rejects

Thu Oct 06, 2016 11:01 pm

disagree

Thu Oct 06, 2016 11:03 pm

if people honestly think that these are acceptable and dont like like feces than i dont understand how you can have an issue with these new actually good sprites

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 11:42 pm #216278

I think everyone agreed that lizard changes were God awful and only fetish fuel disguised as a nerf for ash walkers.

Fri Oct 07, 2016 12:13 am

J_Madison wrote:[Complaints]

You're wrong.

WJohnston · Post by **WJohnston** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 12:14 am #216285

I plan to resprite lots of stuff. Right now there's a style clash, so obviously it doesn't work out too well. We'll be seeing improvements over time, and the game will steadily look better and better.

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 12:50 am #216287

The lesson learned from this series of PRs is that people hate change.
I like the new sprites though.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 12:53 am #216289

The folders seem a little off somehow, but look okay.
The flaming paper looks dumb.
The stamps look like ring-pops. Or buttplugs. Whichever end you want to put them in I guess.

Also i'm assuming this is the PR that everybody is yelling about https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/20829

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:03 am #216292

Atlanta-Ned wrote:
J_Madison wrote:[Complaints]
You're wrong.

That's fine. I have a right to be right or wrong. I'm not the only one that has taken a disliking to WJ's recent slump in sprite quality.

WJohnston wrote:I plan to resprite lots of stuff. Right now there's a style clash, so obviously it doesn't work out too well. We'll be seeing improvements over time, and the game will steadily look better and better.

here's the issue why changes can be made against the wishes of the community;
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/ ... -249338883

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and you can literally push anything into the game if you can dismiss the reasons not to do so as "subjective opinions".

My subjective opinion is that these sprites do not belong in the current art climate of SS13 and you should stop forcing the art to change around you, and everyone to use your current art.

I don't like the art direction. And as the "biggest SS13" codebase, it's forcing all other downstreams to go based on your art style which I don't like.

I do not see improvements over time. I do not see the game looking better and better. In fact your limbs update has done nothing to improve game experience or make visuals look better.

In my opinion.

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:38 am #216299

I will admit, I don't like the "slightly top-down" perspective. Also, a good few of the sprites don't actually need updating. Still, they're better in quality than what we have now, and WJ - whether you like him or not - has by far the most experience spriting here, so I'd say he's the best person to make judgements on our quality.

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:46 am #216300

the shotgun shells look like sausages dipped in paint and the furniture too shiny. It looks like some superbright ikea commercial rather than a gloomy megacorp's space station.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:50 am #216301

Xhuis wrote:I will admit, I don't like the "slightly top-down" perspective. Also, a good few of the sprites don't actually need updating. Still, they're better in quality than what we have now, and WJ - whether you like him or not - has by far the most experience spriting here, so I'd say he's the best person to make judgements on our quality.

Alright but can we not turn this into "Who" and just judge the sprites as is? I don't care if its the flaming ghost of An0n3 riding a stitched up flesh doll of Paprika drawing sprites on an $8,000 apple-brand tablet with the tips of his quad-dong, if a sprite looks like ass it looks like ass. Fortunately most of these look alright.

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:38 am #216306

Saegrimr wrote:the flaming ghost of An0n3 riding a stitched up flesh doll of Paprika drawing sprites on an $8,000 apple-brand tablet with the tips of his quad-dong

Sure, but I'm happier about the hurricane currently hurtling towards my state than I would be if that existed.

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 3:42 am #216316

A question: WHO ASKED FOR THIS?!
There's a FUCK TON of things people complain about in this game, SPRITES AREN'T ONE OF EM. So why change em? Fucking every time someone changes a sprite people get mad (see: sec uniform). The current sprites are fine. If we need 3d esque sprites we would ask/steal from/copy goon station. Also, there are a shit load of sprite less PRs who would love a bit of wjohn magic.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 4:05 am #216318

calzilla1 wrote:A question: WHO ASKED FOR THIS?!
There's a FUCK TON of things people complain about in this game, SPRITES AREN'T ONE OF EM. So why change em? Fucking every time someone changes a sprite people get mad (see: sec uniform). The current sprites are fine. If we need 3d esque sprites we would ask/steal from/copy goon station. Also, there are a shit load of sprite less PRs who would love a bit of wjohn magic.

Yes because a spriter doing sprites prevents coders from doing code.

This post is even more pointless than sprite changes.

onleavedontatme · Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:55 am

calzilla1 wrote:Also, there are a shit load of sprite less PRs who would love a bit of wjohn magic.

Saegrimr wrote: Yes because a spriter doing sprites prevents coders from doing code.

?

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:10 am #216337

Kor wrote:?

Aside from the dumb way I worded it, it's looking like he's complaining someone who primarily sprites isn't fixing other non-sprite related complaints he has.

Post by **oranges** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:51 am #216340

luckily none of the opinions here matter

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:15 pm #216410

The paper bin looks nothing like a paper bin. It looks like an iPad.

WJohnston · Post by **WJohnston** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:27 pm #216448

The paper bin, at least as it was previously drawn, is little more than a small metal box with an open top. I just put that in 3/4th perspective instead of whatever the hell it was at, before.

ShadowDimentio · Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:36 pm

I liked the previous paper bin sprite more.

Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:44 pm

yeah that one is true actually, i dont think paper bins work too well with the new perspective

Post by **Atlanta-Ned** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 3:43 am #216588

oranges wrote:luckily none of the opinions here matter

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:39 am #216615

I miss the grille resprite, it looked pretty cool.

lzimann · Post by **lzimann** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 4:05 pm #216642

i think they look too much like goon, which I really don't like... and I had no problems with the old sprites

Okand37 · Post by **Okand37** » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:34 am #216743

I personally like the style, but I liked the somewhat slanted perspective of things such as filing cabinets, chestdrawers, paper bins and so forth opposed to the top down view of the new sprites. However, I do like the quality, as it has a sort of warm cartoon-y aspect to it that makes it fairly inviting and fun feeling. Of course, at the time, due to the large clash between these and the rest they just seem odd, I'd love to see more work done on things such as other items, structures, turfs and clothing before making a real judgement.

The Ultimate Chimera · Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:31 am

The paper bins are ugly imo.

Isane · Post by **Isane** » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:03 am #216917

The paper bins don't work in that top down style at all, they look like tablets instead.

Don't really mind the rest, some are a bit jarring but I can get used to them, save for the red and orange glasses. Please change them back and make the aviator style an entirely new item. The old ones looked like ballistic glasses and were subtle and stylish, the new ones look like you're wearing some sort of bug eye. Then again I'm probably the only person who ever wore them.

WJohnston · Post by **WJohnston** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:17 am #217237

Red and orange glasses were not me, I'll take a pass over them in the future once I get to... shudders ...CLOTHING.

Also I went ahead and did some minor palette updates for various sprites, they should have less contrast burn.

Post by **Thunder11** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:04 am #217322

The new perspective is shit, the slightly to the side was better, everything looks flatter now

ShadowDimentio · Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:17 am

Now he's moved onto IDs

Someone stop this madman

WJohnston · Post by **WJohnston** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:18 am #217345

Chairs are next.

That's gonna be a PR all on its own, no other modifications.

This is gonna be a long fight :\

I'm cherry picking lots of files as I pass down through here alphabetically.

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:01 pm #217353

The IDs should be fine. We came to an agreement on the gold ID colour after I compared the two different golden IDs to a real gold bar in room lighting.

You'll likely face grilling over each replacement Sprite if someone doesn't see it feel fit.

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:21 am #217613

The candles are fine and i like the new box, but those IDs... S T O P

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:51 am #217630

Just please get rid of the paper bins.

I don't see what's wrog with the IDs, though.

WJohnston · Post by **WJohnston** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:57 am #217631

I can rework paper bins. It's on my todo list alongside the basketball hoop. I'm not happy with how either one turned out. The original paper bin had so little to work with, it's not a good idea to keep it the same way it used to be. Maybe I can find a more interesting design for it.

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:22 am #217632

Can we have racks that actually look like racks?

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:45 pm #217656

btw wj if you need any code changes for stuff lemme know

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:22 pm #217756

Colors and perspective are both off. The style itself isn't inherently bad, but it clashes severely with everything else we have. How did this ever get merged?

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:07 pm #217772

I mean if wj is willing to put in the time to update a fuck load of sprites and take the art in a new direction then why not? General resistance to change?

ShadowDimentio · Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:24 pm

I'd like fatsprites first pls an thank

onleavedontatme · Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:58 am

Wyzack wrote:I mean if wj is willing to put in the time to update a fuck load of sprites and take the art in a new direction then why not? General resistance to change?

Looks awkward right now when it's only part way done.

Post by **oranges** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:18 am #217839

You'll live

ShadowDimentio · Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:14 am

I hate the new IDs. They look blurry.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:27 am #218429

It's a sad day when I have to agree with shadowmemes.
They need sharper edges.

WJohnston · Post by **WJohnston** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:34 am #218444

They're literally the same shape as they are right now with better lighting. There's high enough contrast between the outline and the fill and the highlight to prevent it from looking like AA. I don't understand?? The old ones were literally more blurry by having more gradients and pillow shading.