Barotrauma: SS13 Underwater

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:32 am #205357

Bottom post of the previous page:

Your visual cues for pressure building up are the screen zooming in and you get an icon in the health area of four arrows pointing inward. It's an orange icon. It fades in, the more solid it is the worse the pressure is. When it is solid orange you die.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:49 am #205362

Yeah, but it can go really fast at a big breach. Luckily, water will push you away from the breach, because physics. So you can usually reach a door if you can get the game to select the button

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:41 am #205376

Double post. Because you know what we need?
A brig cell we can flood without having to open the airlock and potentially sink the sub, or opening the bilges and potentially fucking up the controls.

It would probably actually make us survive better

Incomptinence · Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:02 am

Small breaches you are better leaving the room open so as to not kill anyone trying to quickly patch it. Most holes on the top of the sub will be small short of big daddy.

XSI wrote:Double post. Because you know what we need?
A brig cell we can flood without having to open the airlock and potentially sink the sub, or opening the bilges and potentially fucking up the controls.

It would probably actually make us survive better

Some subs have an execution chamber yes. Can't remember which though.

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:39 am #205392

Shame you can't put moving parts on the ship. Imagine a sub with an execution chamber that just flings people out into the depths like a torpedo

Takeguru · Post by **Takeguru** » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:50 am #205394

So a single security officer can not fix a sub on their own

I made a right fucking go of it but I couldn't kill the thresher making holes in the sub without power so I went to manually keep the power on to charge the capacitors to shoot the thing to stop making holes but bluh I ran out of diving masks

Also skill gates are dumb and stupid this isn't like my spessmens

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:47 am #205408

They're intended for long term play across multiple missions

Your sec officer can learn how to weld without killing himself, but this never really works in one game alone. And multiplayer persistency isnt around yet

You can technically just keep topping off your health with medical shit, which works if you can be bothered with it. Then you can fix everything as sec officer(Minus engines and consoles)

Honestly, I think you should at least be able to try. But maybe the dev has plans for that

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:37 pm #205446

Skill caps are good. One person shouldn't be able to do everything. Forcing people to have to work together us what team games are all about.

Supermichael777 · Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:47 pm

But then how am i suposed to murder eryone and steal sub?

On another note i tried the sub builder and holy fuck. i looked up and 5 hours had passed and my sub still didnt work right(every lamp needs a hardline what the fuck why cant i wire them in a string)
)

Takeguru · Post by **Takeguru** » Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:53 pm #205461

Skill caps are dumb and stupid

Skorvold · Post by **Skorvold** » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:57 pm #205471

Naaa, skill caps are good. It helps avoid the problem that Space Station 13 has right now, where everyone is way too self sufficient.

Takeguru · Post by **Takeguru** » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:17 pm #205477

But that's not a problem

Davidchan · Post by **Davidchan** » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:24 pm #205480

The skills are bad, and arbitrary.

Fixing a flooded out fuse box, a task which would literally just be unscrewing components and swapping out bad ones for new ones and maybe replacing a few melted wires if it overloaded requires a skillset that only one class gets by default, but starting up a nuclear reactor, assembling and wiring a button or console, installing a charge to a warhead, loading and operating a sophisticated railgun or even piloting the god damn sub can be done by anyone? Give me a fucking break.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:37 pm #205489

You want a fucking break then do us both a favor and dont play Barotrauma.

I swear if you mongoloids get vocal and the water they game down to SS13 levels I'll hunt you down holy shit.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:39 pm #205490

Like holy fuck are you retarded?

Compare the difficulty in driving a car to repairing a car you goddamn moron.

Davidchan · Post by **Davidchan** » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:45 pm #205495

Compare the difficulty of literally maintaining a nuclear reactor and the difficulty of removing an overloaded circuit breaker and splicing a few wires.

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:15 pm #205498

Davidchan wrote:Compare the difficulty of literally maintaining a nuclear reactor and the difficulty of removing an overloaded circuit breaker and splicing a few wires.

Nah see, what they don't show you is that the companies that make these subs have so little confidence in the crews' ability to operate the nuclear reactor that they designed the controls to be like some kind of Fisher Price toy.

EndgamerAzari · Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:16 pm

SQUARE PEG ROUND HOLE

Supermichael777 · Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:17 pm

a server comand to set all skills to 100 would be nice

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:52 pm #205519

Wew lads sorry I got really pissed off there but have calmed down.

Barotrauma is designed to be a game where you are all co-dependant for survival and that's one of the things that makes it special. You can't robust a giant sea monster by yourself. You need the Captain pulling evasive maneuvers while someone is on the gun, someone is loading for him, others are running around fixing shit as it breaks, etc.

Being a traitor is a double-edged proposition. You need to kill at least one of these guys to win but you may also need them to survive. That's so different from SS13 where you never need anyone's help to do jackshit unless you're dead/dying.

Barotrauma is not a sandbox like SS13 is. It's a team survival game. If you don't like it because you can't do everything you've failed to grasp that it is not trying to be a game where you can explore at your leisure and solve all your problems on your own.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:01 pm #205533

Supermichael777 wrote: On another note i tried the sub builder and holy fuck. i looked up and 5 hours had passed and my sub still didnt work right(every lamp needs a hardline what the fuck why cant i wire them in a string)
)

Now try testing it
And finding out that you overloaded a few of the junction boxes so the sub immediately catches fire when you start the thing
(This is why you sometimes find custom subs with disconnected lights. They're either forgotten or the power grid is so close to maximum capacity that wiring in that one light starts fires everywhere. Or all the junction boxes ran out of wiring space)

This is why I volunteered to do wiring if there's a group sub. It's kinda a thing that takes ages and the slightest fuckup means you may need to start over

Stickymayhem · Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:18 pm

Ok this game is great

Tried to harpoon an eldritch seabeast and got my entire rooms shit kicked in

IrishWristWatch0 · Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:37 pm

Sticky, as predicted, is the worst captain.

Incomptinence · Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:52 pm

Sticky shows up as soon as there might be a tg sub to steal in the works?

Typical sticky.

qwert · Post by **qwert** » Thu Aug 25, 2016 6:09 pm #206225

Somehow this game delievers much more intense experience then ss 13 despite having so little features.

That feel, when someone is special and opens door in your shuttle.

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:23 pm #206267

IrishWristWatch0 wrote:Sticky, as predicted, is the worst captain.

Sticky's the worst at everything
> Emergency sub arrives at crashed submarine
> We've almost got it fixed
> Sticky insists that he needs to cut through the window near the ballist to get in
> Tell him to use the fucking airlock
> "No the airlock isn't working!"
> Check the airlock, it's working just fine
> He keeps insisting that he needs to cut through to get in and that he can just weld it once he's in
> GOD DAMN IT THE AIRLOCK IS FUCKING FINE DO NOT FUCKING TRY TO CUT IN
> He cuts in which pretty much kills everyone
> True to his word though he tries to fix the window
> With the plasma cutter
> "Why isn't this working"
> Plasma cutter
> PLASMA
> CUTTER

Later with him as a doctor

> Glitch out on stairs, get stuck, and instantly knocked into crit
> Need him to stabilize me
> Keeps insisting that he doesn't have the chems and he needs to synthesize them
> Everyone yelling at him that he doesn't need to and there should be some in the medical cabinet
> "NO THERE ISN'T I NEED TO SYNTHESIZE IT"
> Die
> "Oh there is some in the cabinet"

Full retard

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:26 pm #206270

Sticky has never let anyone else's good judgement prevent him from exercising his own stupidity.

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:30 pm #206271

An0n3 wrote:Sticky has never let anyone else's good judgement prevent him from exercising his own stupidity.

From now on whenever he plays we just need to make him head of the ballists. As in roundstart we drown him in the ballists. The only thing he does is sabotage every run we go on.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:37 pm #206274

Git gud or git bant

Takeguru · Post by **Takeguru** » Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:56 pm #206292

>Sticky shows up in the respawn shuttle
>Instead of going literally 2 rooms south, he cuts in through an engineering window when it was the only un-flooded room on the sub
Sticky pls

Skorvold · Post by **Skorvold** » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:49 am #206300

Generally the submarine fun starts with Sticky arguing why we need a Security Officer when we don't need one at all. Then he tosses a stun grenade while I'm moving down so I scream at him for stunning the captain who is piloting the ship.

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:16 am #206303

Sounds like Sticky needs a jobban.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:39 am #206321

I should be free to host tomorrow afternoon/evening if people want to play.

I think we're past the point of allowing any kind of "lovably incompetent" bullshit on the sub.
Play the tutorial. It's a much simpler game than SS13.

TechnoAlchemist · Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:42 am

onleavedontatme · Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:45 am

An0n3 wrote: I think we're past the point of allowing any kind of "lovably incompetent" bullshit on the sub.

Damn, I was gonna finally try the game but I guess I'm too late.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:09 am #206334

There's a difference between "Oh shit I fucked up sorry I didn't know what I was doing" and

"HEEEEYYYYYYY GUYSSSSSS IM DOING IT AGAINNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!"

The first is forgivable but eventually everyone gets fucking sick of you.
The second is unforgivable and just griff that you're trying to pass off as "cute". The game is difficult enough on its own without people purposely fucking it up. I know it's hard to imagine playing something properly balanced after years of Stockhold Syndrome 13 but it's possible.

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:47 am #206344

An0n3 wrote:There's a difference between "Oh shit I fucked up sorry I didn't know what I was doing" and

"HEEEEYYYYYYY GUYSSSSSS IM DOING IT AGAINNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!"

The first is forgivable but eventually everyone gets fucking sick of you.
The second is unforgivable and just griff that you're trying to pass off as "cute". The game is difficult enough on its own without people purposely fucking it up. I know it's hard to imagine playing something properly balanced after years of Stockhold Syndrome 13 but it's possible.

*Cough*Sticky*cough**cough*shouldn'thavegivenhimthediscordlink*cough*

Post by **oranges** » Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:05 am #206358

I don't think these people can properly process that limitation is an important part of game design An0n3

It's a lost cause.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:10 pm #206474

In games the things you can't do are just as important as the things you can.

Skorvold · Post by **Skorvold** » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:43 pm #206478

onleavedontatme · Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:51 pm

oranges wrote:I don't think these people can properly process that limitation is an important part of game design An0n3

It's a lost cause.

Are you saying we should buff science?

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:53 pm #206481

Buff it like a piece of dirt on a hardwood floor, maybe.

Rub that shit out of existence, like a nihilist masturbating.

Skorvold · Post by **Skorvold** » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:21 pm #206491

I'm more proud of the execution by railgun than anything I've done that's good in this game.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:27 pm #206494

The real MVP is fucking Xerux for making this badass /tg/ sub. Pretty fucking cool.

Watching THE ENTIRE CREW fall down that fucking hole into the ballast and getting trapped one after another was the most hilarious thing I've seen in game so far.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Sat Aug 27, 2016 1:26 am #206511

I like this sub

The ballast hatch is a good place to store corpses too. Maybe a closet nearby to store their equipment so respawning people can have it?

Also clown gear 404

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Sat Aug 27, 2016 1:28 am #206513

Honestly already the best sub in the whole fucking game. That fucking hatch to the ballast is so good.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Sat Aug 27, 2016 1:52 am #206516

It's the best sub for multiple reasons:

1 Hatch, definitely
2 Reactor in the middle (So you actually have a chance at getting the sub running again)
3 Possible, but only very limited to shoot the sub's rooms with railguns(Only the brig and medical)
4 Enough supplies to make you not feel like you have nothing and you have to fight eachother over the basics, not enough supplies for it to be plentiful and not a concern when shit hits the fan
5 Good pumps/drainage. Closing doors actually works on this sub where it doesn't on many others. At the same time it's not too easy
6 Enough calm and quiet places for tator activity, not enough that you can do whatever you want without risking being seen. It's a challenge, but not impossible
7 Good sightlines for shooting railguns at hostiles. Seriously, why are the regular subs so bad at this? Also the blindspot of the engine is actually good and makes sense to have

Edit: And the wiring looks very clean and shiny. I like that

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:53 am #206533

It's good until one cackling fox runs around with a screwdriver undoing everything and you have to gently caress them with a wrench.

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:30 am #206572

3 Possible, but only very limited to shoot the sub's rooms with railguns(Only the brig and medical)

I'm really going to have to do something with that if I roll traitor mechanic

qwert · Post by **qwert** » Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:33 am #206580

So when/where I find dem tg spessmens swimmin in submuhreeens?

Incomptinence · Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:44 am

Temp link to the discord: https://discord.gg/5UPpQ
If you see talking about subs or in the barotrauma voice channel it is happening.
Timing is sort of shaky different people hosting non persistent servers and all.