Currently killing yourself at roundstart as an assistant or as an unimportant role is allowed.
If you have a reason to go of course this is fine and can be provided, this is strictly for no reason kill yourself and leave shit. (Leaving or disconnecting is effectively the same thing too here)
Stickymayhem wrote:Yeah bud I'm pretty sure we said we were going to go with the poll on this one.
Clearly it's not most people because most people voted the opposite, and we had a reasonable turnout too.
51/65 don't mind assistants doing it or are even ok with normal jobs doing it occasionally.
Uh well over half have a big or slight issue with it, we can leave it at don't make it a habit.
Noting that it's all about unimportant roles here normal jobs aren't mentioned.
Stickymayhem wrote:51/65 don't mind assistants doing it or are even ok with normal jobs doing it occasionally.
If you wanted a answer to that question you should have actually got the poll worded to reflect that, instead of trying to imply that anyone who voted X meant Y as well.
What the poll clearly tells is that almost 28 of the voters are perfectly fine with people in unimportant (what is unimportant?) roles committing suicide at round start, 23 of the voters see it as acceptable only on occasion and not doing it regularly while 14 voters are against round start suicide at all.
Meaning that the best course of action, if we want to reflect this poll, is to go for the "don't make a habit out of it" route.
I thought we already said doing this as a normal job and wasting a slot is bad and shouldn't be allowed?
(THIS IS MUCH EASIER TO DISCUSS ON IRC BY THE WAY)
Stickymayhem wrote:As I said like five times I'm away nerd. I can only access the forums for the next couple of days.
Alright then we can talk about it more when you come back
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kieth4 wrote:
infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am
Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
Can we get a ruling on this? Ive been seeing more people suiciding at roundstart. As Assistant its not a big deal, but any other job should warrant a ban if you suicide at roundstart.
Trying to 'fix' roundstart suicide is indeed just trying to patch a symptom rather than the disease, not to mention that it will be difficult to enforce. Sure, adding some inconviniences with code to commiting suicide at roundstart might reduce the amount of roundstart suicides, but it will probably also result in increase of greytiding or people just idling/ghosted/braindead. One way to alleviate this issue is to make more recreational areas for all the crew, public garden was a good step to the right direction. Additional recreational areas could be things like secret drug lab in maint, more autism-construction areas (Drones in derelict a good start, though inadequate stuff to do there) etc. Another way is to add content to existing jobs, like bioengineering for viro/botany.
You are misunderstanding. People suicide because they either go random and get a job they do not like, or they are rolling for antag. Neither are acceptable reasons to take up actual job slots and suicide at roundstart.
I go catatonic occasionally to observe, and I don't feel it should be an issue unless there people leaving the round every single time they don't get antag.
I'll put ten to fifteen rounds in as a nonantag, doing work and teaching new people, but it'll get tiring eventually if I don't roll antag, so I'll go catatonic after ten or fifteen minutes of a boring shift to watch who did.
There shouldn't be anything wrong with me ghosting for seemingly no reason once every ten or so rounds.
wól dir, spér, kriuze únde dorn,
wê dir, heiden, dáz ist dir zorn.
Bumping this old thread because apparently this is still an issue. I just observed a round where 5 people suicided within the first few minutes of the round, and they were all in non-Assistant jobs. I know we have a policy for head related suiciding, but can we expand this to stop other suicides as well? As an Assistant its fine because its a useless job, but all other jobs should not be allowed to just suicide. It locks out job slots for actual players, and leaves an ID laying around for antags/griffers. Ive seen the Virologist or Engineers gib themselves outside the HoP line because its some kind of joke now. Its fucking stupid.
And "just adminhelp it" is not a good countermeasure. It feels petty as hell to ahelp this kind of stuff, even if it is a shitty thing to do. Can we not just add it to the rules already and have an announcement?
Can't make people play if they don't wanna play.
If they're dead shortly after roundstart a _lot_ then maybe have a tracker of some sort ("hey, this guy's suicided at roundstart as engineer 14 times in the last 20 games, with no suicides as antag, I see what's happening here") but that'd require some unnecessary fuckery.
Maybe implement a jobban-lite that still lets people latejoin or get reassigned, but blocks them from getting it at roundstart if they're in the habit of suiciding as soon as they land a job they should have tagged as "never" in their prefs.
oranges wrote:It's never gonna be resolved because trying to force people to actually play the game is impossible.
Its not a matter of forcing people to play. They are obviously rolling random jobs or rolling for traitor then suiciding when they dont get what they want. If they are leaving for an actual IRL reason, then they could just message an admin. Why sign up with Virology if you have no desire to play the job?
Screemonster wrote:Can't make people play if they don't wanna play.
If they're dead shortly after roundstart a _lot_ then maybe have a tracker of some sort ("hey, this guy's suicided at roundstart as engineer 14 times in the last 20 games, with no suicides as antag, I see what's happening here") but that'd require some unnecessary fuckery.
Maybe implement a jobban-lite that still lets people latejoin or get reassigned, but blocks them from getting it at roundstart if they're in the habit of suiciding as soon as they land a job they should have tagged as "never" in their prefs.
No one is ever going to suicide as antag so why even make that first point
This has been a problem for years, and is indicative of a severe problem the servers have - muh valids.
People cycle because they need another chance at muh valids. Suiciding at round start is part of that.
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TheNightingale wrote:Antagban them without telling them. They can keep joining and suiciding and being disappointed, forever.
Whilst i consider this to be a just punishment, it wouldnt solve the issue of people suiciding and taking up job slots from people that actually want to play. Hell it might actually make it worse.
If you suicide as an Assistant, i think thats fine. Nobody ever expects Assistants to do anything, and its not like taking that job deprives someone else of it.
People who do this all the time should be declared valid, since the only time they're alive is when they're antag.
It's real great trying to pretend that someone isn't preparing to murder the whole station when you are 100% sure that they are.
Science, mning, and botany already have more cool shit.
Now we need to revamp cooking
NSFW:
ADD A FUCKING DEEP FRYER ALREADY ASDGAHAHDH
medbay
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by medbay i mean fucking the entire health system fuck.
fuck revamping assistants
clown has enough toys
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maybe give some to the mime
AND REALLY FIX ENGINEERING
The problem is that since there are more ways to BREAK the station and the only buffs engineering got to combat that is more Rcd's... and goofball. Which doesn't help fix the station at all.
Random assistants are more constructive than engineers.
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A retards guide on how to make a maxcap bomb in toxins.
Grab a oxygen tank and a plasma tank and bring them to the testing lab.
Super cool the Oxygen and superheat the Plasma.
Clean out the oxygen and plasma tanks with a filter/pump.
Then you wrench and unwrench the plasma and oxygen tanks in toxins. It`s important tha you do it one at a time. Try to get a 85%plasma and 15% oxygen mix.
Once you have a good burn mix, pump the mix into the burn chamber and light it on fire. Wait 10 seconds for it to heat up and pump it into a yellow (empty) canister.
Quickly set the kpa output to 163 kpa and fill the tanks with the burn mix.
Take the oxygen tanks and fill it up with a 613kpa worth of oxygen FIRST then fill the rest with plasma, you should get well over 2000kpa in the end.
With the new atmos system you should wait 5-10 minutes for you tanks to bake.
Take a tank transfer valve, add a oxygen tank and a plasma tank to it. You should have a maxcap bomb. Have fun blowing up the station mining!
People who suicide over antag status can get right the fuck out and go to traitor deathmatch or something. If they are in it for the grief lottery and want to fight defenseless crew with coderbus item 3184 that's totally balanced.
People hate conversion modes because of snowball, but when a tator breaks into sec, loots the armory and plays spess columbine simulator 13 its totally fine.
Round start suicides as anything but assistants should be discouraged. If people make a habit job bans (or dare I say antag bans to nip the behavior in the butt) should be handed out.
People complaining about no shit to do need to wake up. We have construction, crafting, public gardening and forum threads of 101 things you can do while bored to pass the time. If people are bitching that all the 'fun' stuff is locked behind the antag wall, they shouldn't be so eager to support PRs on git that cater to antags and widen the power gap and lock the toys up, support pulls for new jobs, equipment and systems.
The problem is that all the things you can do on a station aren't fun because, with the exception of lavaland, they aren't challenging.
Also: you can't fuck over anyone else if not antag or validhunting, and ruining someone's day is one of the few really entertaining things left to do if you've seen everything and can't into RP for RP's sake.
DemonFiren wrote:>nip in the butt
Paging Dr. Freud...
The problem is that all the things you can do on a station aren't fun because, with the exception of lavaland, they aren't challenging.
Also: you can't fuck over anyone else if not antag or validhunting, and ruining someone's day is one of the few really entertaining things left to do if you've seen everything and can't into RP for RP's sake.
That is entirely subjective. Some people enjoy the station jobs. Other should not be taking them just so they can suicide within a few minutes. If they want to roll for antag, they can do it as an Assistant rather than selfishly taking up actual jobs without any intent to do them.
Empty quoting a completely useless post, nice jawb. This isnt about forcing people to play the game, its about stopping people from suiciding every round, taking up job slots, and acting incredibly selfish.
Hello, yes, you can't force people to do things they don't like. The sooner you'll understand this, the sooner you'll get over your pointless anger and start doing productive things.
Im not saying we should force people to play, im saying we should have a policy banning roundstart suicides in all non-Assistant roles. If they want to roll for antag, they are welcome to do it as Assistants.
InsaneHyena wrote:Hello, yes, you can't force people to do things they don't like. The sooner you'll understand this, the sooner you'll get over your pointless anger and start doing productive things.
But you can force people not to do things you don't like.
That's the basis of the whole rules list and most of the policy discussion forum. In this thread, people would like to make it so people don't commit suicide at roundstart if they're not in an assistant role, which is entirely possible. Forcing people not to do that might be a bad idea, but it can be done.
How would it be hard to enforce? Im not an admin so i do not know what tools they get, but im pretty sure they can add notes to players. If someone is repeatedly doing this, it would be possible to track it with notes, no? Any admin that observes from the start of the round can see who dies. Hell as a coder person im sure you could code something similar to the roundstart logout report thingy, but for deaths.
Observe at roundstart, wait three minutes, check the orbit list for anyone who's dead; if they're a suicide, note. Second time, antagban.
"But then they'll go braindead!"
Ban those ones too. Ban everyone until they get the message.
Atlanta-Ned wrote:I'd like to see security players given the same treatment as heads of staff who suicide at round start.
>Get rolled into a job you hate because you wanted to be clown along with everyone else
>Suicide because security is suffering
>Get banned because ??????
G e n i u s
TheNightingale wrote:Observe at roundstart, wait three minutes, check the orbit list for anyone who's dead; if they're a suicide, note. Second time, antagban.
"But then they'll go braindead!"
Ban those ones too. Ban everyone until they get the message.
>Join the round
>Suddenly mom/work/your cat calls and needs something
>Have to leave
>Come back to be banned because you went braindead
G E N I U S
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How about you stop enabling jobs if you dont want to do them? If you do not want to play Sec, just disable it in your preferences. Unless that old bug is still around where you would get forced to play jobs you didnt select, but im sure that was fixed a long time ago.
If you need to leave at the start of the round, then send an adminhelp. As long as you do not make it a regular thing then i doubt it would be an issue. This is a policy to stop the repeat offenders, not anyone and everyone who has other shit to do.
Alex Crimson wrote:How about you stop enabling jobs if you dont want to do them? If you do not want to play Sec, just disable it in your preferences. Unless that old bug is still around where you would get forced to play jobs you didnt select, but im sure that was fixed a long time ago.
He probably has the "Get random job if preferences unavailable" option toggled.
