*TEST* Reducing stuns adding lethals

[Falamazeer]

I propose that it would be interesting to *TEST* reducing the taser rounds of your average officer to a single shot, while at the same time, making a single laser rifle available to them as part of a standard loadout.

People have oft complained of the stun centered combat system of ss13, and I'd like to see what it actually looked like without it, Disablers aren't the way to go, with the slowdown it really just ends up being the same thing with more clicks.

A successful taze pretty much proceeds as is normaly the case for ss13, but a miss opens up possibilites that might make for exciting combat, The criminal scum might decide to flee before the officer can change weapons, he might decide to take advantage of the miss and rush the officer, the officer might switch to batons for pursuit or defense, and he might decide to lethal up for the same.

Pissants might be less likely to blatantly shitler around if they know there is a good chance they'll wake up cuffed to a bed in medbay for their shenanigans before a timer even gets started, and general antagonizing security for sport might be lessened if you know that the obligation to make the only real punishment a time out with your nose in the corner kinder-garden style is lessened.

And while real life and 2d spessmans rarely mix, Real officers primary weapons are pistols, and they are a genuine threat, and real tasers usually just have the one shot.

No it's not just an excuse to murderboner people under the guise of an experiment, I honestly wanna know how interactions would change if security was packing heat and expected to use it if they have to.

[ShadowDimentio]

>T-tasers aren't removed guais, t-they're just not as good!

Literally why even fucking bother carrying a taser if it has just one charge. It'd just end with sec fucking lasering everyone into crit rather than bothering with tasers if this change goes through.

[cocothegogo]

i think that we should just copy goon combat tbh

[PKPenguin321]

i think that we should just copy goon combat tbh

coon crit gives me the cancer

[Wyzack]

Stuns are trash right now, one hit ded is not fun at all. Something like this is worth trying

[Alarmclock]

I do feel like melee should be more useful than just finishing your enemy off after a gay ass stun. Even in real life people who get tasered or shot don't go down instantly from the bullet but keep on fighting.

[Zilenan91]

/tg/ can't do lethal combat without reducing the movement speed. The only reason stuns are as good as they are is because everyone is fucking Usain Bolt and never gets tired of running everywhere, so stuns let you kill them.

[Incomptinence]

Eh basically another civvie buff.

Meat is already worth heaps.

[Hornygranny]

/tg/ can't do lethal combat without reducing the movement speed. The only reason stuns are as good as they are is because everyone is fucking Usain Bolt and never gets tired of running everywhere, so stuns let you kill them.

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/2931
i'm not even sure if you're serious

[PKPenguin321]

LEAVE MOVEMENT SPEED ALONE GRAN GRAN

[Zilenan91]

Think about it like this, you can have a pulse destroyer and the best armor in the game but if you're even slightly slower than someone they win because they can just run away from you. If people were made slower in general again across the board combat would be far more lethal because escape wouldn't be as viable an option in a conflict. Upping damage is optional at that point.

[confused rock]

I wouldn't mind every ranged stun besides syringe guns, knockouts like bombs, and shit like that being removed and replaced with lethals and that aiming thing on bay and shit tbh

[ShadowDimentio]

So you're proposing that we just remove tasers then and sec just has lasers

Do you have any idea how many bitchfits this would start? REEEE SEC SHOT ME DEAD 4NORASIN ALL I DID WAS RESIST ARREST REEEEEEEEEE

Wanna deconvert an antag? HA good luck getting them to hold still long enough to slap cuffs on.

[Reimoo]

One shot taser is actually not a completely bad idea but it should be reloadable akin to a kinetic accelerator otherwise lethal is the only option after an officer misses.

[ShadowDimentio]

It'd either be too fast and be a straight upgrade to our current tasers, or too slow and be near-impossible to use.

SUDDENLY A TRAITOR
>Taze at them
YOU MISS!
>Try to recharge
>Fast
YOU RECHARGE IN AN INSTANT AND SHOOT AT THE PERP AGAIN, HITTING. VICTORY IS YOURS
>Slow
YOU GO TO RELOAD AND THEY KILL YOU/RUN AND ESCAPE, YOU LOSE

[Falamazeer]

otherwise lethal is the only option after an officer misses.

there's still baton, but essentially yeah, this is the intent.

Do you have any idea how many bitchfits this would start? REEEE SEC SHOT ME DEAD 4NORASIN ALL I DID WAS RESIST ARREST REEEEEEEEEE

Yep, still the intent.
Security sucks a giant xeno testicle to play because you're obligated to try to give someone a preschool timeout for their bullshit and everyone knows it.

another thought I had was about antag balance, how this might destroy certain antag winrates and raep the balance of the game, then I remembered that unless the enemy IS cargo, everyone loots up in the cargo-armory anyways, excluding the first responders who already died because they didn't have a real weapon

[Sidon]

Security players just want to completely remove people they don't like from the round.

Also I thought we beat back this buff security shit? Stop coming back.

[Falamazeer]

Security players just want to completely remove people they don't like from the round.

You sound like a qualified expert who knows exactly how well that plays out with the vastly diverse skill level of your typical unlikable scum.

Also I thought we beat back this buff security shit? Stop coming back.

Not exactly a buff bub, not a nerf either though, more like a sidewards transition. The single strongest weapon security has is ranged stuns, and I'm of the opinion that it would be worthwhile to pursue another direction for combat in general.

[MrEousTranger]

Fuck enforcing the law.
start sec off with an electric chair
and force them to use it whenever a crime is committed
because if you break the law you deserve to fucking die.

No sarcasm just like real life should be.

[yackemflam]

Why not just buff melee?
Or nerf movement speed because running faster than a fucking bullet is bullshit.

[Alex Crimson]

Nerf movement speed

Remove ranged stuns and replace tasers with disablers

Remove all rules except the OOC ones like no metacomms/excessive metagaming/ERP

Game would be much better for it. Just sayin'

[Grazyn]

Let's just move away from stun-based combat to damage-based combat. Every other self respecting MMO has damage-based combat anyway

[Ryahask]

I'd suggest a slight tweak - rather than carrying a single charge, which would simply make the weapon tedious to use effectively give it an in hand cool-down akin to the Miner's Accelerator.

So you miss a shot, and it will automatically recharge (with an infinite charge system) in, let's say, 10 seconds. The Officer can still pull out their stun baton and use it during this time by simply changing hands. I would be very interested in seeing this change attempted as I despise going up against semi-competent Security as stands, unless you can retreat or you're better geared you're simply fucked due to how many taser shots they can blast out.

10 Seconds, to start with (this value could and should be tweaked later depending on feel), provides ample opportunity for someone to retaliate with Melee or choose to flee. The Officer still has their second hand so they shouldn't prove crippled in a direct fight, and it might lead to more successful melee fights.

[Atlanta-Ned]

Yeah! More nerfs for security! Woo hoo!

[Armhulen]

Yeah! More nerfs for security! Woo hoo!

Yes! I can greytide without those pesky security!

[Ryahask]

Yeah! More nerfs for security! Woo hoo!

Security, when compared to the average crew, is still exceptionally well-armed. It's only against Antags that this shifts, but that's more due to the absurdity of some of the antag choices with uplink.