A lot of modes are disabled (but do they suck?)

[Incoming]

As far as I know these three modes work fine, but for whatever reason are currently disabled (at least on sybil). I've added Malfunction and OldCult to the list not because they're runnable, but rather just as a gauge of if you enjoyed them. I've not included Hand of God because as far as I know it's dead in the water.

Do you miss them?
Do you want them back? If not, why?

[TechnoAlchemist]

Old cult was fine, I'm pretty sure Zilenan just whined cult into its broken state.

[Jazaen]

Wait, they are disabled? How? WHY?

[Helios]

I miss all the Cult modes.
Cult was my favorite, because unlike other conversion modes, you gained something.
Also, constructs are my favorite antagonist, because they're cool

[Zilenan91]

You bet your ass I whined about cult. It made me straight up not want to play the game at all it was so shit. It was a lot better, but not good, after TK fixed it.

[lumipharon]

the "fix" made it into unplayable garbage though. It's not some coincidence it got removed from rotation soon after that.

[Incomptinence]

Oldcult was alright flexible, not dependent on rng fairy to even get started.

Traitorchan is still on basil though, while being unable to stand on their own merits means changelings are basically on life support it can be fun. Mulligan can make them too I think? Their objectives are more doable from a good job positions (making new ID hello the new brainsteal but for hops this tiiiime) but the absorb one it pretty token.

[Incoming]

mulligans can only make changelings if changeling or traitorchan are in rotation. Right now on sybil there's no way to have a changeling in a round beyond extreme xenobio shenanigans.

[Davidchan]

You bet your ass I whined about cult. It made me straight up not want to play the game at all it was so shit. It was a lot better, but not good, after TK fixed it.

Sounds like the problem was you, not the mode. Cult was a great mode that gave people incentive to work together, as well as allowing for a team antag that had a number of different abilities and strategies they could use.

I guess some people just can't be bothered to do a little trial and error to get their best toys and demand they get all the best stuff upfront.

[Gun Hog]

I miss proper Malf, myself. I do like Traitor AI, but I still miss the full mode....I also miss oldcult, which brought much more fun than this COps (Cult Nuke Ops) setup.

I do not care for Changelings, but they are okay when added to other, stronger antagonists such as Traitors.

[Amnestik]

They probably did suck but what we have now sucks for different reasons

At least some variation would spice up the rounds

[CPTANT]

Lings still have not had the rework they need. If they get reworked properly for once it is a good antag.

Lings still be progression based, start out weak and gain power by absorbing people. The entire concept is crippled when absorbing people is as useless as it is now.

[Amnestik]

find the pull that reworked them to the state they're currently in
revert it

[Luke Cox]

Newcult had elements that I liked, but then Zil went full retard with "magic ops." Take oldcult, add in the summoning ritual, and it's good. I would rather have oldcult with its issues than the bastardized mess that is newcult.

[onleavedontatme]

If I am reading this poll correctly not a single one of these modes had more than ~30% of people asking for it back.

I sometimes wonder if we took a straight vote on each mode how many (if any) would make the cut.

[Ikarrus]

Total votes are not the same as total voters.

Total votes literally adds up every vote from every choice.

So basically, this poll is only good to gauge relative popularity, not if the modes are popular themselves.

[onleavedontatme]

Huh. My bad. Maybe this should be a server poll so we can get better data.

[PKPenguin321]

i wish coderbus would get it's hands off of it's changeling hate-erection
also i'm shocked that anybody could want malf back, it honestly was not very fun after the first maybe 3 times i played it and we basically still have it, just with traitor AIs

[Incoming]

to be clear the changeling rounds are just disabled on the server side, so it's actually closer to an adminbus hate-erection

[Helios]

also i'm shocked that anybody could want malf back, it honestly was not very fun after the first maybe 3 times i played it and we basically still have it, just with traitor AIs

It was good because it was a round type where "nothing happens for the first 20 minutes". Now the only options are Shadowlings, which usually get spotted, or nuke ops.
Traitors show gear at some point, and the rest of the modes are obvious

[PKPenguin321]

also i'm shocked that anybody could want malf back, it honestly was not very fun after the first maybe 3 times i played it and we basically still have it, just with traitor AIs

It was good because it was a round type where "nothing happens for the first 20 minutes". Now the only options are Shadowlings, which usually get spotted, or nuke ops.
Traitors show gear at some point, and the rest of the modes are obvious

yeah, pseudo-extended until the 40~ minute mark where the AI goes loud and either spaghettis all over the place or gets killed by the three guys with enough gear to take it on
not very fun

[Helios]

also i'm shocked that anybody could want malf back, it honestly was not very fun after the first maybe 3 times i played it and we basically still have it, just with traitor AIs

It was good because it was a round type where "nothing happens for the first 20 minutes". Now the only options are Shadowlings, which usually get spotted, or nuke ops.
Traitors show gear at some point, and the rest of the modes are obvious

yeah, pseudo-extended until the 40~ minute mark where the AI goes loud and either spaghettis all over the place or gets killed by the three guys with enough gear to take it on
not very fun

Pseudo Extended is fun for a lot of jobs
Like mining
Or botany
Or genetics
or chemistry if the people are creative

[Zilenan91]

It is fun for a lot of jobs. For like one round. I genuinely don't know how people can do R&D so many rounds in a row. It's literally autism.

[lumipharon]

The actually getting R&D up is boring and tedious.
Using R&D to make a flying autism fort out of the white ship/secret space bar/etc is not.

[Helios]

It is fun for a lot of jobs. For like one round. I genuinely don't know how people can do R&D so many rounds in a row. It's literally autism.

Because it sets a base level.
The problem with R&D is once you set it up, you don't have a chance to enjoy the fruits of your labor unless the round lasts longer. A long round or two where nothing happens, then you have 20 ripleys break into the AI core and people feel satisfied so they can go home.

[Babin]

Old cult had a lot of problems, but it should've just had runes streamlined a bit to be more newbie-friendly. No need to turn it into magic ops.

Pseudo-extended is fun once in a while as long as it's not super-common, and malf rounds could be pretty fun. Every once in a while you'd get a REALLY clever stealth-malf.

[Anonmare]

Traitor AIs are superior to malf in basically every way imo
Being able to get more than a 100 cycles means you can actually have a more varied strategy and buy the lesser used modules (Though I still haven't had a chance at using mech domination), and it means there's something going on in the round beside being pseudo-extended.

I remember suggesting malf AIs having the ability to spend all 100 of their modules on a Syndie strike team with the goal of assisting the AI to make people think it was OPs and distract the crew with the armed goons. But with traitormalf AIs that would be too powerful.

[CPTANT]

What I really like about the new traitor AI is that it's objectives aren't "blow up the station" every time.

That was what made malf stale and predictable.

[Davidchan]

What if Malf was changed to kill/borg all humans? Any of the murderbone techniques could be used and nuking the station would just be the last resort.

[Shaps-cloud]

i wish coderbus would get it's hands off of it's changeling hate-erection

I was adminning on basil, where lings are still active, and I got sick of lings again after like 10 minutes when I saw one sprinting around with stimulants and killing everything in sight with its armblade. Honestly I don't really miss them

[CPTANT]

What if Malf was changed to kill/borg all humans? Any of the murderbone techniques could be used and nuking the station would just be the last resort.

that would be an improvement. Before we had the self destruct I believe malf had the objective to prevent anyone from escaping alive on the shuttle.

[Aloraydrel]

Rest in peace old cult

[Cheimon]

What if Malf was changed to kill/borg all humans? Any of the murderbone techniques could be used and nuking the station would just be the last resort.

"Kill all" isn't ideal, much better to have "kill most". Look at Rev, when people know they're a target a certain proportion will camp out in space or find some other way to make it impossible to be found, not because it's enjoyable for them but because it denies the enemy victory.

[Malkevin]

Oldcult was alright flexible, not dependent on rng fairy to even get started.

Traitorchan is still on basil though, while being unable to stand on their own merits means changelings are basically on life support it can be fun. Mulligan can make them too I think? Their objectives are more doable from a good job positions (making new ID hello the new brainsteal but for hops this tiiiime) but the absorb one it pretty token.

Someone added "This round has an inbuilt chance to fail" back to cult?

Dear god, fixing that is how I ended up making a half baked new version in the first place.

[Zilenan91]

TK got given a ton of ideas as to how to help improve his version of cult (namely by adding armament runes to cultists roundstart) and it got removed from rotation for being shit because he never fixed it.

[Helios]

TK got given a ton of ideas as to how to help improve his version of cult (namely by adding armament runes to cultists roundstart) and it got removed from rotation for being shit because he never fixed it.

So the HoG problem. Bring back Xhuis

[onleavedontatme]

It got removed because soulstones and huds broke, which was entirely because of my 2012 era shitcode.

[Zilenan91]

Soulstones are working now I think

[1g88a]

Make oldcult and newcult their own modes.

[Luke Cox]

Make oldcult and newcult their own modes.

I actually wouldn't mind this. A lot of the resentment I hold towards newcult is because it's meant as a replacement for oldcult, which is vastly superior in my opinion. My only concern with this is that the mode already feels too much like ops and gang.

[onleavedontatme]

I honestly do not understand why people miss old cult. The core mechanic was so confusing we scrapped it, and then invalidated the other core mechanic (conversion) via scaling.

Leaving us with "stun paper a couple people and then turn into a singularity"

New cult has its problems but it at least has design goals and isnt yet another mass conversion spam mode

[kazeespada]

Meteor and Monkey please.

[PKPenguin321]

I honestly do not understand why people miss old cult. The core mechanic was so confusing we scrapped it, and then invalidated the other core mechanic (conversion) via scaling.

Leaving us with "stun paper a couple people and then turn into a singularity"

New cult has its problems but it at least has design goals and isnt yet another mass conversion spam mode

1. go to pre-xhuis cult (sorry xhuis )
2. make word research a bit easier and more intuitive
3. give cultists some kind of really really really weak magic missile so they have some kind of ranged option
bababooey

[Zilenan91]

Artificers already have magic missile. Also fuck stun paper.

[PKPenguin321]

Artificers already have magic missile. Also fuck stun paper.

>unironically sending artificers into combat
double bababooey

[Zilenan91]

send an arti and a jugg. Arti MMs, the jugg punches his dick into the dirt

[Malkevin]

Make oldcult and newcult their own modes.

Funnily enough I was originally going to work on sac cult as a separate game mode, but because convert 'em all cult was so horrid and I was afraid autistbus would complain about duplicate code (which they would've done guaranteed, they bitched enough about me not changing the way text colors were done in old code which I didn't want to touch because I was probably going to rewrite the procs entirely anyway - and even said as much in the initial PR post, yet they still moaned...) so ended up chopping up a production game mode on the fly... then I got fed up and quit coding.

[Oldman Robustin]

Whoever let someone take cult off rotation and force that other garbage in should be sent to the Hague for crimes against humanity. To the people who still question the value of oldcult. You're wrong. Just accept it. I've been wrong on things before too. Everyone does. This is a complex game. But you have to accept that cult was a fun mode to a LOT of players and despite its flaws (what mode doesn't have critical issues?) it was/is a great mode that needs to return and get whatever tweaks are necessary.

@Kor, you especially seem traumatized by the scaling issue that got fixed a while back. Only thing we needed was a slightly improved research system (I've offered my idea before, basically keep it similar to the previous logic game, but eliminate the part where you have to memorize a bunch of colors and shapes so you can actually identify when you've correctly scribed a rune using unconfirmed words).

You bet your ass I whined about cult. It made me straight up not want to play the game at all it was so shit. It was a lot better, but not good, after TK fixed it.

You suck, we get it. Stop reminding us.

[PKPenguin321]

tbh oldcult with constructs and conversions wasn't that bad, people just flipped their shit a bit too hard at it at first and it got kinda kneejerked off the server

[Anonmare]

I prefer oldcult tbh. I hate getting sacced and constructed then either sent on a suicide mission to security (who had no idea of a cult but they do now) with no back-up as a Jug, or, shut-away in maint to shit out soul stones for all eternity as an artificer. Least Wraith let's me by somewhat useful by assassinating dangerous targets and jaunting away but everyone wants the Juggernaut meme.
I'd rather have been converted, being a full-blown cultist is more interesting than being a construct in my opinion.