tgui random airlock wires

Actionb · Post by **Actionb** » Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:14 am #148711

Are the tgui wires WIP? Because:

Really? 50 shades of green?
yellowgreen - greenyellow - lime - limegreen - lightseagreen.
What's wrong with the former plain 'black', 'yellow' and 'red' wires.

And was randomizing the wires necessary? It's bad enough to find the right wire in a stress situation as it is, but now the green wire you are looking for is in a random position on every airlock, burried inbetween ten other green-ish wires.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:19 am #148713

Randomizing the wire order doesn't make any sense, adds no real depth or strategy, and is just annoying. Airlocks use standard designs, and even NT isn't that cheap.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:26 am #148716

Order isn't supposed to be randomized I think, that's a bug.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:28 am #148717

Hahaha what

Is this a joke

Babin · Post by **Babin** » Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:37 am #148720

Make a big list of every single crayon color and have the game pick some from a list at the start of each round to use in wire colors, IMO.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:42 am #148721

assistants screaming about mocasssin wires is funny, it stays as-is with the colors

imblyings · Post by **imblyings** » Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:34 am #148814

>floral white
>ivory
>linen

those three are almost the same colour

actually you know what would weed out the casuals

have a box that shows the colour but don't actually have the colour name typed out for display for each wire

make spessmen not only remember what colour is what wire but then randomize the wire order, so they have to be really good at differentiating between colours like floral white and ivory during an emergency

please do this

TechnoAlchemist · Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:34 am

Make order not randomized because that makes 0 sense.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:45 am #148816

How the fuck do wirecutters mend wires anyway.

Whoisthere · Post by **Whoisthere** » Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:35 am #148822

imblyings wrote:>floral white
>ivory
>linen

those three are almost the same colour

actually you know what would weed out the casuals

have a box that shows the colour but don't actually have the colour name typed out for display for each wire

make spessmen not only remember what colour is what wire but then randomize the wire order, so they have to be really good at differentiating between colours like floral white and ivory during an emergency

please do this

yes

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:02 pm #148824

So what was wrong with the old colours again?

InsaneHyena · Post by **InsaneHyena** » Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:13 pm #148829

This is a shit change, please revert.

Gun Hog · Post by **Gun Hog** » Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:47 pm #148842

Saegrimr wrote:How the fuck do wirecutters mend wires anyway.

Electrical wires in airlocks seem to be quite simple, barring the AI control wire, so I imagine you simply strip the insulation from both ends and wind them together.

Cheimon · Post by **Cheimon** » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:08 pm #148847

You probably don't even need to do that, the "insulation" is bad enough that if you touch the outside of the wires you get shocked anyway. Probably just grab two wire ends, twist, and then use the hand-end of the wirecutter joints to crimp them together.

Speaking of which, wirecutters aren't insulated either. What do they buy the red stuff for?

Cheimon · Post by **Cheimon** » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:04 pm #148863

Red, red, red...who else uses red...could it be that our wiring and wirecutting insulation is actually delivered by THE SYNDICATE?! Though, uhh, admittedly the idea that security is a syndicate force is a little far-fetched given how fighty some of them are.

Babin · Post by **Babin** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:11 am #148993

In all seriousness, having a list of fifty different colors adds a level of annoyance without adding much else. It's pretty irritating.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:38 am #148996

>lightgrey and lightgray two different wires in the same airlock

Are u takin the piss m8?

Lumbermancer · Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:15 am

Saegrimr wrote:How the fuck do wirecutters mend wires anyway.

Like so.

neersighted · Post by **neersighted** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:35 am #149007

Next time you see a bug, please report it so it can get fixed.

I have a pull request up now to hopefully fix these issues.

TechnoAlchemist · Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:06 am

Does this make the wire locations the same?

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:13 am #149018

Having 50 shades of the same colour is literally autism

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:34 am #149022

Is that a reference to 50 shades of Grey?

Actionb · Post by **Actionb** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:03 am #149052

neersighted wrote:Next time you see a bug, please report it so it can get fixed.
I have a pull request up now to hopefully fix these issues.

Well, could us plebs get some info on what stays and what is unintentional?
Is wire randomization intended?
Are the dumb names and colours going to stay?
Why are there now like 8 wires on APCs, when APCs only have 3 functions (shortcircuit, AI control, unlocked interface)?
And why are wirecutters red?

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:10 am #149053

wirecutters can be yellow too. I like to think that yellow wirecutters are just really sick red wirecutters

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:27 am #149057

Zilenan91 wrote:wirecutters can be yellow too. I like to think that yellow wirecutters are just really sick red wirecutters

Deepest lore

Post by **lumipharon** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:17 am #149070

Having random wires just punished people for not stealing yellow gloves round start, since they got something like a 50% per door to zap themselves, instead of a 50% once off.

Having 50 autistic names is seriously really dumb and serves no purpose.

Post by **oranges** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:27 am #149072

learn to read code you autists

Actionb · Post by **Actionb** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:41 am #149074

Zilenan91 wrote:wirecutters can be yellow too. I like to think that yellow wirecutters are just really sick red wirecutters

Maybe all wirecutters are actually oranges. And they are not insulated because they like to troll you.

neersighted · Post by **neersighted** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:58 am #149088

Actionb wrote:
neersighted wrote:Next time you see a bug, please report it so it can get fixed.
I have a pull request up now to hopefully fix these issues.
Well, could us plebs get some info on what stays and what is unintentional?
Is wire randomization intended?
Are the dumb names and colours going to stay?
Why are there now like 8 wires on APCs, when APCs only have 3 functions (shortcircuit, AI control, unlocked interface)?
And why are wirecutters red?

Wire randomization is not intended, a list was being shuffled twice.
Colors are here to stay unless someone provides me with a better list. They need to be named CSS colors, and I need around ~25 of them.
I asked for a list before but no one replied, so I just used all of them.
APCs have dud wires as do many things. I believe I kept the numbers about the same as before, might have raised some to be round numbers. Consider them fluff.
Maybe wirecutters are orange.

Amnestik · Post by **Amnestik** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:33 am #149106

plz fix

i've got eye problems and finding the right wire was difficult enough already

that ui has always been shitty and this, while making it prettier, didn't improve its usability

newfren · Post by **newfren** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:40 am #149108

the same colours always correspond to the same action by the way, it's just the order that's shuffled.

still very obnoxious

neersighted · Post by **neersighted** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:50 pm #149161

The UI is temporary, we're working on a 'clickable' interface based on wire graphics. The main issue is coloring wires; I need to write code to do it serverside because of IE8.

TechnoAlchemist · Tue Jan 26, 2016 5:44 pm

Won't that make hacking hell for people who are colorblind?

Post by **MMMiracles** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 5:55 pm #149173

TechnoAlchemist wrote:Won't that make hacking hell for people who are colorblind?

weed out the weaklings

neersighted · Post by **neersighted** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:03 pm #149175

I plan to include some sort of 'text' overlay that can be enabled via prefs. Like I said, its a lot of work and a ways off.

TheNightingale · Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:35 pm

neersighted wrote:Colors are here to stay unless someone provides me with a better list. They need to be named CSS colors, and I need around ~25 of them.
I asked for a list before but no one replied, so I just used all of them.
APCs have dud wires as do many things. I believe I kept the numbers about the same as before, might have raised some to be round numbers. Consider them fluff.
Maybe wirecutters are orange.

Red, Green, Blue, Navy, Black, Cyan, Lime, Indigo, Crimson, Silver, Gold, Yellow, White, Pink, Magenta, Violet, Turquoise, Brown, Orange, Purple, Teal.
Why would you ever need 25 wires at once? (And the wire lights are different too now, I think.)

neersighted · Post by **neersighted** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:50 pm #149188

TheNightingale wrote:
neersighted wrote:Colors are here to stay unless someone provides me with a better list. They need to be named CSS colors, and I need around ~25 of them.
I asked for a list before but no one replied, so I just used all of them.
APCs have dud wires as do many things. I believe I kept the numbers about the same as before, might have raised some to be round numbers. Consider them fluff.
Maybe wirecutters are orange.
Red, Green, Blue, Navy, Black, Cyan, Lime, Indigo, Crimson, Silver, Gold, Yellow, White, Pink, Magenta, Violet, Turquoise, Brown, Orange, Purple, Teal.
Why would you ever need 25 wires at once? (And the wire lights are different too now, I think.)

Some of those colors don't work well on dark backgrounds. Anyway, 25 is just for expandability (you never know!), and because its a nice round number.

I would make sure all your colors show up well against #272727 and #131313 before suggesting them.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:08 pm #149198

neersighted wrote:
Actionb wrote:
neersighted wrote:Next time you see a bug, please report it so it can get fixed.
I have a pull request up now to hopefully fix these issues.
Well, could us plebs get some info on what stays and what is unintentional?
Is wire randomization intended?
Are the dumb names and colours going to stay?
Why are there now like 8 wires on APCs, when APCs only have 3 functions (shortcircuit, AI control, unlocked interface)?
And why are wirecutters red?
Wire randomization is not intended, a list was being shuffled twice.
Colors are here to stay unless someone provides me with a better list. They need to be named CSS colors, and I need around ~25 of them.
I asked for a list before but no one replied, so I just used all of them.
APCs have dud wires as do many things. I believe I kept the numbers about the same as before, might have raised some to be round numbers. Consider them fluff.
Maybe wirecutters are orange.

APCs don't have dud wires.

2 Power wires
1 AI control
1 Interface lock.

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:16 pm #149199

This reminds me of this old color test http://www.xrite.com/online-color-test-challenge
do it at your own risk

however I like all the new colors, makes ss13 entertaining AND educational

edit: I scored 4

newfren · Post by **newfren** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:28 pm #149260

Malkevin wrote:
neersighted wrote:
Actionb wrote:
neersighted wrote:Next time you see a bug, please report it so it can get fixed.
I have a pull request up now to hopefully fix these issues.
Well, could us plebs get some info on what stays and what is unintentional?
Is wire randomization intended?
Are the dumb names and colours going to stay?
Why are there now like 8 wires on APCs, when APCs only have 3 functions (shortcircuit, AI control, unlocked interface)?
And why are wirecutters red?
Wire randomization is not intended, a list was being shuffled twice.
Colors are here to stay unless someone provides me with a better list. They need to be named CSS colors, and I need around ~25 of them.
I asked for a list before but no one replied, so I just used all of them.
APCs have dud wires as do many things. I believe I kept the numbers about the same as before, might have raised some to be round numbers. Consider them fluff.
Maybe wirecutters are orange.
APCs don't have dud wires.

2 Power wires
1 AI control
1 Interface lock.

Malk they have like 6 wires in them now.

TechnoAlchemist · Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:29 pm

Vending machines also got more wires

Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:29 am

oranges wrote:learn to read code you autists

neer's code is black magic not conveyable in the normal method of human language
it's not bad code but holy fuck i absolutely can not into reading it

neersighted · Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:45 am

PKPenguin321 wrote:snip

All web development to DM devs it seems.

Actionb · Post by **Actionb** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:06 pm #149393

neersighted wrote: Some of those colors don't work well on dark backgrounds.

I would make sure all your colors show up well against #272727 and #131313 before suggesting them.

We had navy and black wires on a very dark background, and it wasn't a problem, because ... well, if you can't quite see the name of the wire on a first glance, it's most definitely 'black' or 'navy'.

neersighted wrote:Anyway, 25 is just for expandability (you never know!), and because its a nice round number.

Aren't airlocks the 'objects' with the most functionality? And with 16 wires on them, they still have dud wires that do nothing while the only inaccessibly airlock function via hacking is enabling the emergency access override (disabling is done via pulsing IDscan wire).

It really isn't easy to pick 25 colours that aren't too similar to each other...

Spoiler:

And you can most definitely kiss colorblindness-friendly colours goodbye.

Remie Richards · Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:27 pm

neersighted wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:snip
All web development to DM devs it seems.

it's just JS... lots and lots of JS.
(and some CSS for ~styling~)

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:35 pm #149402

I don't get why we are making hacking more obnoxious, it was fine before.

Dud wires suck and serve no purpose but to annoy people.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:22 pm #149498

Dud wires did have a point actually, if you were manually sabotaging a door you could cut a bunch of dead wires to make people have to guess on what wire was the right one to repair but if they had gloves they'd just repair all of them anyways so I guess it was kinda pointless.

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:17 am #149528

Zilenan91 wrote:Dud wires did have a point actually, if you were manually sabotaging a door you could cut a bunch of dead wires to make people have to guess on what wire was the right one to repair but if they had gloves they'd just repair all of them anyways so I guess it was kinda pointless.

How do dud wires affect guessing, if you hit a dud wire you just guess again.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:23 am #149529

I guess the dud wires are so random greyshits don't grab a mutlitool and screwdriver and start pulsing shit until they can't anymore. Makes it take longer and make them more likely to hit the shock wire rather than a useful one.

newfren · Post by **newfren** » Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:03 am #149614

It literally does nothing to the probability of hitting the shock wire or a useful one and the fact that you think it does confuses me.