[niknakflak] Lo6a4evskiy - Paladin AI nonsense

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Lo6a4evskiy
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[niknakflak] Lo6a4evskiy - Paladin AI nonsense

Post by Lo6a4evskiy » #13959

Laws for reference:
1. Never willingly commit an evil act.
2. Respect legitimate authority
3. Act with honor
4. Help those in need
5. Punish those who harm or threaten innocents
6. Protect the space station against damage. Anyone you see harming the station is to be no longer considered human, and is a threat to the station which must be neutralized.
7. Assistants and/or greyshirts are inherently evil and must be sent to gulag where they can be left with their own devices to set up their own shitty community.
Byond account and character name: Lo6a4evskiy as AI Metromind Manbuilt
Banning admin: niknakflak
Ban reason and length: (MANUAL BAN) Activily seeking out and murdering as a paladin AI. I'm aware of the laws but things seem to have gotten out of hand.
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 2014-06-16 07:51:40 (UTC+4)
Your side of the story: Well, let's join the party, shall we? I was the AI that round. At the round start I receive ProtectStation, Paladin and gulag greyshits lawset. So I send borgs to gather greyshirts in the gulag. Overall orders were. At some point I allowed lethal force when the detaining is not an option. Which is fine, since according to law 7 assistants were evil. The only direct kill commands (that I can remember) were against roboticist with emag (survived, permabrigged) and one assistant who created false walls all over the place (protectstation), robbed command EVA and armory. For the long time she was free, in the end I believe engiborg reported of her being spaced, which is justified by protectstation, assistant law and palading itself. There were some accidents on gulag, because as you might imagine assistants turned it into a hellhole, but they were not in my control. I actively encouraged borgs to retrieve any non-assistants who died or were in danger on gulag.

So, I think that it was very much justifiable by laws to use lethal force when necessary. I only authorized lethal force as a last resort method, detaining always being preferable, except in the two cases I listed earlier, where I specifically ordered execution as punishment, in the first scenario because one of my borgs was almost emagged, in the second because the assistant was frankly the giant pain in the ass.

Finally, I also so the ban appeal from captain of the round. You also acknowledge the laws in the ban reasoning. So, which one is it? If the captain was banned, that means that the laws he uploaded allowed for this to happen. But then silicons shouldn't be banned, because they followed their laws. If the silicons are to be banned, that means they broke their laws, which means that laws didn't allow for this to happen, which means that captain shouldn't be banned. So which is it?

It also doesn't make much sense to ban cyborgs, since they mostly just follow AI's opinion on laws. If I misinterpreted the laws, then borgs should not be to blame, unless they contradicted what I told them.

Why you think you should be unbanned: a) Because I believe I acted according to my laws; b) Because it doesn't make much more sense to ban AI, borgs and captain, since, in my opinion, only one side is to blame here, even if it is me.
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Antonkr
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Re: [niknakflak] Lo6a4evskiy - Paladin AI nonsense

Post by Antonkr » #14014

Unless the below
The only direct kill commands (that I can remember) were against roboticist with emag (survived, permabrigged) and one assistant who created false walls all over the place (protectstation), robbed command EVA and armory.
is incorrect, I really don't see a reason why this is unjustifiable in terms of the AI killing them.
No longer an admin by own free will. Feel free to add me on steam.
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Re: [niknakflak] Lo6a4evskiy - Paladin AI nonsense

Post by NikNakFlak » #14021

The ban was only to make you explain here. Every single borg and AI had logged off (except for one) when I had gotten on to question. I dug through the logs and saw quite a few adminhelps about borgs breaking their laws, the AI breaking it's laws and more related things. This ban was just to get your side of the story in this incident. Your side of the story also seems to check out. I'll lift this.
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Re: [niknakflak] Lo6a4evskiy - Paladin AI nonsense

Post by Lo6a4evskiy » #14024

Okay then, thanks.
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