Fallout 4 - It's Happening

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:50 pm #134128

Bottom post of the previous page:

Takeguru wrote:
Drynwyn wrote:
Takeguru wrote:Combat rifle is probably going to be anybody specced into rifleman's go to weapon.

Don't give it an automatic receiver and it uses that .45 ammo to great effect.

I want more settlement building options.

It's 210~ years after the bombs dropped, there's no excuse to making everything out of scrap still
>combat rifle

I'm using a laser rifle, a modded to hell hunting rifle, and a combat shotgun. Lategame, fusion cells are easier to get than .45 ammo.
I'm mid 30s and I get more 45 than fusion cells

Raiders use combat rifles all the time for me.

I suppose it depends on faction choice- I went with a faction that has me fighting BoS and Synths more often than raiders, so loadsafusioncells.

Maccus · Post by **Maccus** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:09 am #134205

This is That Guy In D&D levels of retarded backstory

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:42 pm #134237

retarded backstory is the best part of fallout though

Arty · Post by **Arty** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 5:58 pm #134261

http://i.imgur.com/vanjZDa.jpg

(can't post pic 2 big)

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 6:03 pm #134266

People have been saying how hard or unusable Power Armour is due to the Fusion Core availability.

In my experience I've found little problems, I'm on Level 25 and I've got 38 Fusion Core's fully charged, thanks to indepth exploration, as well as two levels in the Tier 9 Science perk that essentially works to give me significantly more power time out of the fusion cores.

I've also started setting up a nice little workshop in Sanctuary to store all my excess Power Armour suits.

Takeguru · Post by **Takeguru** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 6:07 pm #134271

Joining the BoS solves that issue too.

You can loot the Pyrdwen for assloads of cores and no one cares, and you can buy them for 400 caps a piece.

Now, using a gatling laser and power armor will eat through your cores.

Reyouka · Post by **Reyouka** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:49 am #134458

Sentry bots are also a source of cores, if you can manage to kill em.

onleavedontatme · Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:20 pm

Takeguru wrote: It's 210~ years after the bombs dropped, there's no excuse to making everything out of scrap still

I don't expect things to look pristine but it always bothered me that there are papers/trash from before the war still littering the floor of settlements.

You'd think they'd have swept the floor at least once in the past two centuries.

ThanatosRa · Post by **ThanatosRa** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:05 pm #134578

Nuclear physicist is actually really dangerous at rank 3 if you're not careful.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:51 am #134656

I feel like Fallout 4, and 3, really were meant to take place not long after the Nuclear War, but since Bethesda want Super Mutants, Ghouls, Enclave tech and whatever that they push the game 200+ years later.

There is no way in hell that 200 years after the bombs fell that there are still no coherent Governments or large scale civilizations on the east coast, nor why everyone seems fine living in absolute squalor. It seems no one seemed dammed to sweep the streets they live in.

Organizations akin to the NCR, Ceaser's Legion or Mr House should be more wide spread by this point, instead all we have are the Brotherhood of Steel (which are not even native to this area), some sekrit organization and a bunch of small towns.

The game feels like it should be taking place mere decades after the war, not century's.

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:46 am #134680

Steelpoint wrote:I feel like Fallout 4, and 3, really were meant to take place not long after the Nuclear War, but since Bethesda want Super Mutants, Ghouls, Enclave tech and whatever that they push the game 200+ years later.

There is no way in hell that 200 years after the bombs fell that there are still no coherent Governments or large scale civilizations on the east coast, nor why everyone seems fine living in absolute squalor. It seems no one seemed dammed to sweep the streets they live in.

Organizations akin to the NCR, Ceaser's Legion or Mr House should be more wide spread by this point, instead all we have are the Brotherhood of Steel (which are not even native to this area), some sekrit organization and a bunch of small towns.

The game feels like it should be taking place mere decades after the war, not century's.

Do bear in mind that this is explicitly an unstable period. A decade back, and the Minutemen were a serious and well-organized force capable of enforcing laws and not unlike the NCR. It's not too far-fetched that an area could be thrown into turmoil following a collapse of one of it's major institutions.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:57 am #134683

I don't see much indication that the Minutemen weren't even close to the current NCR. At best they were a law enforcement force, something akin to UN Peacekeepers or whatever.

After 200 years and all you have to show for it is a loose coalition of towns who support a organization that's beaten by a force of Mirelurks, that really stretches my suspension of disbelief, not to mention it is impossible that no real organized government, nation or coalition would exist after 200 years that goes beyond a single small city that can't even be asked to clean up the damn streets after several hundred years.

Not to mention that the same force that defeats the awe inspiring minutemen is easily defeated by five people, three of whom are not even dressed for the occasion.

srifenbyxp · Post by **srifenbyxp** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:26 pm #134738

Fallout likes to have a loose story it seems, I think it stopped making sense linear wise after fallout 3. The only hint of that is because that tree guy was a NPC in a previous fallout. And unless the worlds pop got reduced to a fraction that would be the only reason why no official government has been formed over the span of 200 years. I mean shit, the british had control of the entire east coast of the US back in the 1700s IIRC and it didn't take them more than 100 years. Goat teeth bastards had to use wooden boats and eat each other during winter, fallout 4 has technology!

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:17 pm #134743

there is no government because that would completely ruin the fallout formula

Post by **Jacquerel** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:53 pm #134749

I'm not going to lie, I don't play Fallout for its deep and realistic depictions of alternate history.

Takeguru · Post by **Takeguru** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:06 pm #134756

Spoilers for the BoS Endgame

Spoiler:

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:10 pm #134877

To be fair, the pop culture references were mostly rare easter eggs you could stumble upon in the wasteland. Hmm, now i gotta reinstal FO2 and beat it again

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:45 am #134933

Top-tier weapons seem to be

Rifleman = Gauss Rifle or Plasma Sniper. Gauss Rifle works better if you are sneaky snipermans and want to use a silencer. Plasma works better if you just want to spam a fuckton of VATS shots into people.
Automatics = Automatic Combat Shotgun or Assault Rifle. CHOOM CHOOM CHOOM HERE COMES THE DEATH TRAIN. Assault Rifle works better if you just want one gun to do everything with, though.
Gunslinger = Plasma Pistol. There's an easter-egg gun you can also get that is decent but the Plasma Pistol is still king. There's a unique (as in, it also has its own unique model too) silenced 10mm you get during a certain faction's story that may work better for you if you're going 100% stealth crits.
Unarmed = Deathclaw Gauntlet or souped up power-armor punches.
Melee = Super Sledge or Combat Knife. I just fucking shanked a Deathclaw in two stabs with a Combat Knife because of Ninja perk. 10x damage on a weapon that also does bonus damage on stealth crits is no-fuckin'-joke.
Explosives = Who the fuck plays a dedicated explosives build come on. Go make Plasma Grenades and kill your companion characters and yourself constantly sounds like a great time.

Stealth + Ninja is fucking god-tier though. Clear out entire vaults full of assholes butt-naked with a combat knife. Kill giant beasts with just a blade and no fucks.

Takeguru · Post by **Takeguru** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:55 am #134935

Stealth crits you hope for a decent modifier to drop on a bolt action pipe gun.

Then you give it a .50 receiver and you have a fiddy caliber hand cannon that melts shit on a crit

Works good in VATS or just standard sneaky shooty because you can suppress it

The character I beat the BoS line through got a super sledge with +25% damage

Junkie is a great legendary drop on melee weapons because melee meshes really well with going ham on chems
There's also a questline you can follow that gives you infinite amounts of a "chem" that gives a constant -10 rads and +5 Str if you choose the "evil" path, couple that with power armor and you can literally have 20 STR

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 4:00 am #134936

Something I always hated about Fallout is that SPECIAL stats were capped out at 10, so if you ever maxed any having equipment/perks that increased them at all were a massive waste. I'm glad that got changed.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:16 am #134959

Zilenan91 wrote:Something I always hated about Fallout is that SPECIAL stats were capped out at 10, so if you ever maxed any having equipment/perks that increased them at all were a massive waste. I'm glad that got changed.

Yeah the first time I went to my stats page and saw I was up at like 14 STR in my power armor was a pleasant surprise.
Stomping around in power armor stacking STR boosts and wacking shit with a Super Sledge is STRONK.

My go-to stealth weapons are a silenced Gauss rifle and a combat knife (with stealth knife mod) right now. Shit gets wacky when you are backstabbing Protectrons so hard their legs pop off and go flying. The only thing I've had to stab twice so far was the Deathclaw in the above pic, but you can queue up VATS hits multiple times and get the stealth crit on each one so just stealth prison-shank the shit out of stuff. Can't wait to find a Securatron and see how many stabs that takes to kill. Or god forbid, stealth punches.

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:02 pm #135004

An0n3 wrote: you can queue up VATS hits multiple times and get the stealth crit on each one

If you have Blitz, you can do this to several people in one VATS flurry. It's an amazing feeling to burst from the shadows and slit five throats in one smooth VATS attack.

ThanatosRa · Post by **ThanatosRa** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:41 pm #135038

#synthlivesmatter

EndgamerAzari · Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:13 pm

Goddamn I love punching people to death with my puncturing knuckles.

Arty · Post by **Arty** » Sun Nov 22, 2015 4:55 am #135343

Oldman Robustin · Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:48 pm

"Armorer is essentally mandatory for everyone"

I've spent almost all of the game in "full body" outfits like Courser/Silver Shroud/Minuteman General/Upgraded Silver Shroud.

Makes inventory switching (primarily to Charisma for bartering/speech checks) super easy and provides enough armor that I don't really see the need for stacking any more. There are some fun legendary armors I've seen but they're all 15k+ credits so I don't see the need for leveling armorer unless you're just going for unkillable god-tier status late game.

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:10 pm #135784

Oldman Robustin wrote:"Armorer is essentally mandatory for everyone"

I've spent almost all of the game in "full body" outfits like Courser/Silver Shroud/Minuteman General/Upgraded Silver Shroud.

Makes inventory switching (primarily to Charisma for bartering/speech checks) super easy and provides enough armor that I don't really see the need for stacking any more. There are some fun legendary armors I've seen but they're all 15k+ credits so I don't see the need for leveling armorer unless you're just going for unkillable god-tier status late game.

You need Armorer for all the cool power armor upgrades even if you are wearing outfits, though.

Takeguru · Post by **Takeguru** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:24 pm #135834

Armorer is also needed for the Railroad's ballistic mesh upgrades to clothing.

Last I recall, the Courser Outfit could be upgraded with them and it's the best single piece armor in game afterwards

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:31 pm #135840

Takeguru wrote:Armorer is also needed for the Railroad's ballistic mesh upgrades to clothing.

Last I recall, the Courser Outfit could be upgraded with them and it's the best single piece armor in game afterwards

shhhh don't give away the secret

Also it's not just the best single piece armor. For sheer armor value, it beats any other possible configuration (barring power armor obviously.)

However, you lose out on possible bonus effects like Padded, Shadowed, Muffled, Sleek, etc, some of which can be good. It depends on your taste.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:48 pm #135857

Shit-tier:

Brotherhood of Steel

Slightly-less-shit-tier-but-still-pretty-shit-tier:

The Institute

The-only-real-choice-tier:

Railroad

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:15 am #135865

An0n3 wrote:Shit-tier:

Brotherhood of Steel

Slightly-less-shit-tier-but-still-pretty-shit-tier:

The Institute

The-only-real-choice-tier:

Railroad

Preach it, brother.

Addendum:

How-fucking-unoriginal-are-you-did-you-even-pay-attention-tier: Minutemen

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:23 am #135867

"I-thought-you-guys-were-just-a-sidequest-holy-shit-you-actually-count-as-a-real-faction-for-the-story-tier"

The Brotherhood are just so amazingly shit. Like catastrophically shit. I'm glad they've pushed them back to the xenophobic asshole military though, more like the FO1 and FO2 days.

But seriously like you

Spoiler:

and even after you've done all this shit for them all you get

Spoiler:

ThanatosRa · Post by **ThanatosRa** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:59 am #135878

Isn't there an implication somewhere along the way that

Spoiler:

Takeguru · Post by **Takeguru** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:16 am #135885

Pretty much, yeah

Spoiler:

ThanatosRa · Post by **ThanatosRa** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:02 am #135905

It's definitely a retcon, but hell if it doesn't make sense.

Spoiler:

Retcons aren't always bad.

ShadowDimentio · Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:30 am

Fallout will never have a happy ending

All happy endings will either break down eventually or be retcon'd out of existence

Why? If there are happy endings there won't be a chaotic wasteland any more, so no more Fallout games

And that just can't be allowed

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:57 am #135927

I have created a Laser Gatling for use in doing Railroad stuff.

I have dubbed said Laser Gatling the "Categorical Imperative".

ShadowDimentio · Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:03 am

More like the Catgirl Penetrative

IcePacks · Post by **IcePacks** » Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:46 pm #136721

An0n3 wrote:"I-thought-you-guys-were-just-a-sidequest-holy-shit-you-actually-count-as-a-real-faction-for-the-story-tier"

1g88a · Post by **1g88a** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:11 am #137931

This is a bad game not even worth getting for free imo.

Takeguru · Post by **Takeguru** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:29 pm #137961

Mods will fix it.

And the gameplay itself is fine, it's just the story that's retarded.

Arty · Post by **Arty** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:44 pm #137986

1g88a · Post by **1g88a** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:15 pm #137994

Takeguru wrote:Mods will fix it.

And the gameplay itself is fine, it's just the story that's retarded.

It's going to take a lot of mods to fix terrible character generation options, awful crafting system, ugly art direction, worthless dialogue wheel (YES/NO/"SARCASTIC"/TELL ME MORE), and all of the horrible writing.

In fact the only mod that could save it is the "Obsidian-made Spinoff/Sequel" mod, and even then that's a stretch given how absolutely fucked the system changes Bethesda made are.

The shooting is better, sure, but practically everything else is worse, or a half-assed implementation of a new idea.

Post by **Jacquerel** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:17 pm #137996

There's already a mod that fixes the dialogue wheel.

1g88a · Post by **1g88a** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:44 pm #138003

Jacquerel wrote:There's already a mod that fixes the dialogue wheel.

It fixes the wheel by letting you see all four of the near-pointless choices Bethesda gives you, and mercifully makes it so that you see the lines in full rather than the awful vague descriptors Bethesda put in.

It doesn't fix there being only four options to any given conversation or that those options often follow the yes/no/sarcastic/more info format, or worse "i will help/i dont want to help but i will anyways/pay me and ill help/you should help yourself but ill help this one time"

EndgamerAzari · Wed Dec 16, 2015 6:31 am

Necro for keks

Spoiler:

IcePacks · Post by **IcePacks** » Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:21 am #141358

Takeguru wrote:Mods will fix it.

And the gameplay itself is fine, it's just the progression that's retarded.

fixed that for you

although, unsuprisingly, the robots surrounding claudia christian sound more human than claudia christian, which is definitely a low point for one of the only two affable factions

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:03 am #142210

I like building bases.
http://imgur.com/a/moXwE

Amnestik · Post by **Amnestik** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:24 pm #149127

when is
geck

mods already make the game playable
and dare i say it
fun!

so give us the geck so i can get motivated to finish it

IcePacks · Post by **IcePacks** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:33 am #149352

amen

i've never burned out harder, except for maybe just cause 3 (i spent well over five hundred hours on jc2)

ThanatosRa · Post by **ThanatosRa** » Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:59 pm #164061

GECK not quite, but Automatron is kinda pretty good. Once I have all the right parts, Imma make an army of secborgs.