Noting admin: Saegrimr.
Ban type: Note
Note in question: 'I know i'm not the friendliest face on the block, but this guy seriously needs to chill the fuck out with accusations when i'm just trying to get a story straight. Also probably never needs to be near the brig or anything security related'. - Saegrimr.
Time note was placed: 4:30~ PM, roughly, whatever timezone the logs are logged in.
Your side of the story:
I am primarily contesting the second part of the note, as it is excessively phrased and will affect, ostensibly majorly, future appeals given the wording. Please note this is part note appeal, part admincomplaint.
As I did not have access to the logs, it was difficult to show how ridiculous the original adminhelp was. Regardless here it is.
[16:12:30]PDA: Vince Smith (PDA: PDA-Vince Smith (Security Officer)) sent "Captain. Emily is being a enourmous shitter. Demote her now, she critted a assistant in brig who died and was incarcerated unfairly for ten minutes and is lying about charges." to PDA-Derrick Cobb (Captain) - I believe was the message. Likely, Vince or the Captain adminhelped at this point with this point nigh verbatim.
Firstly, I did not touch the prisoner. Two, they were not incarcerated unfairly for 10 minutes, and nor did I lie about charges. The charges I specifically laid out were: assault with a lethal weapon, assault, theft, and greytiding, for a grand total of 10 minutes (5, 2, 5 since it's an ID/PDA, exacerbating factor) though more charges were definitely droppable such as trespassing into a restricted area (the fucking equipment room of the brig) or resisting arrest. A permabrigging, or even execution was not out of the picture, as charges exceeded 10 minutes. I did not have HUDs to update their records when they were initially incarcerated, and I totally forgot about it, but I do not believe that was the problem here, as Vince never, well, listened.
For the charges one by one:
Assault with a lethal weapon / trespassing into a restricted area / resisting arrest / etc:
Okay, so lowpop. Absolutely zero roundstart security. Few heads, typical lowpop. I figure it might be a good idea to multitask - a dedicated HoP won't get much usage in lowpop anyway, but security was absolutely empty and so I decided HoPcurity wasn't exactly a terrible idea for once - someone's gotta guard the armory. As I'm heading out after dealing with the couple people that wanted access changes, I receive this report.
En route to the brig, armed with nothing but a telescopic baton and an egun, I see 'Zoey Webb', masked in front of disposals. Those in the area included myself, Sorrel Cypret, the CMO (Elmo Laker), amongst at least 1-2 others, and probably a couple other passersby. Regardless, I tried to baton him, Alexander reacted, I took out my egun and accidentally hit the CMO thrice while he had his baton out (Hogan was in front of the CMO and dodged). The CMO dropped his baton, Alexander picked it up, I put away my egun because I'm terrible with it and switched to my baton. I managed to stun Alexander, and started taking him to the brig to be cuffed. Sorrel Cypret followed behind into the equipment room and tried to help Alexander up multiple times, and I was unable to stun both of them due to the flat cooldown on the baton. Alex pulled a telescopic baton, which is not logged as they never managed to hit me with it, I managed to beat him in melee combat, one of them picked it up, I knocked them down and managed to confiscate it. Now, being unarmed, they proceeded to retreat through disposals, but Hogan was accidentally left behind in the chute. I arrested him at this juncture, and I suspected a revolution given that it was a group of greyshirts. I implanted him and found nothing.[16:02:19]SAY: Zoey Webb/Firecage : Someone stripped me of all my gear, and threw my down disposals
(Stripped attack logs for both events)
Spoiler:
His death: As I was brigging him, Alexander Hogan begged for an execution instead of a 10 minute sentence:
etc.Alexander Hogan wrote:[16:07:18]SAY: Unknown/Aredal : I prefer execution
[16:07:32]SAY: Unknown/Aredal : Get me to a wall and shoot me
[16:07:35]SAY: Unknown/Aredal : And space me
But I opted instead for a 10 minute long sentence, because why would I encourage greytiding by acquiescing? Regardless, he wound up dead sometime into his sentence while I was starting to move my office to the brig. I assumed that he killed himself by attacking himself (no suicide message), or he asked another officer to kill him as he begged me to. Regardless, I really didn't care about what caused his untimely fate, given he was a massive greytiding shit and he WANTED to die in the first place, so I chalked it up to a suicide and moved on with the round, creating a disposals line in sec with the newly Centcom-assigned HoS so I could be both the warden and the HoP at once (which I did so admirably). Zoey made burgers out of him, everyone was happy, everyone got what they wanted, the end. Nothing was handled poorly by myself in this matter, I didn't kill anyone despite being perfectly able to harmbaton Alexander to death after that stint in the brig. I didn't hurl insults at Alexander or respond emotionally in any sense. Rather, I decreed a very low sentence for the crimes committed, told him his sentence, and brigged him properly, unbucklecuffed with headset on. This matter should have ended there unless Alex greytides to this effect constantly, and no notes should have been made aside from 'follows spess law, exemplary officer'.
However, that was not the case...
I don't have access to the adminPM logs, so I'll give my account of the events as well as memory serves from 2 days ago.
The adminhelp:
It started off fine. I needed some time to organize matters in the brig, so I asked if I could get a few minutes. Saegrimr acquiesced, and we went from there. However, as memory serves it began very accusative on his part, as if he already had passed judgement that I had done wrong. I told him what occured, but he got stuck on one key point - whether or not a telescopic baton and other stunning equipment should be considered a lethal weapon by sec. I believe that stun batons and other stunning equipment are deemed to be lethal in spess law and is interpreted as such by most people, as if you are stunned you are extremely vulnerable and can easily be cuffed to render you helpless or murdered straight-up, and use of one on another should be treated very seriously depending on setting and intent. However, attacking a head with a stunning weapon in an empty brig as a group invariably leads to a one of two conclusions - lethal intent at worst, or greytiding shit intent at best. Saegrimr disagreed with this perspective, noting irrelevant points such as (paraphrasing) 'if stuns were considered lethal legislatively, the AI should do so as well', ignoring the key point that the AI does not care about potential consequences, only immediate harm, the same reason why it can't outright deny access to restricted areas, and the more important fact that officers, and space law aren't AI and do not care about 'human harm', in that sense, but prospective danger and punishment to balance reward for committing crimes.
Regardless, we seemed to get stuck on this point for a while. He continued arguing against it, I argued for it, and really, it had nothing to do with the case in the end, as even if a baton was considered a non-lethal instrument, it would still be the same +5 minute sentence for 'possession of a restricted weapon' rather than 'assault with a deadly weapon' ('To be in possession of a restricted weapon without prior authorisation, such as: Guns, Batons, Flashes, Grenades, etc. '). I continued attempting to get the total story straight, but he kept getting points wrong, or, at least, didn't believe me in the slightest. If memory serves, he was a complete asshole. It never was about getting the story correct, or figuring out what happened, rather, he wanted to combat one single point that I doubt anyone would disagree with.
This adminhelp continued for the second half of the round it occurred in and the entirety of the following round. At a point, totally fed up with talking to Saegrimr for 30+ minutes about nonsense, I asked what I did wrong and accused him of harbouring a grudge against me - I did nothing wrong, I hurt no one in that entire round (sans a SINGLE harmbaton hit during the fight), I performed very well in security, I told people their crimes. I didn't bucklecuff and so forth. I passively minded the armory most of the round and built a HoP line in front of the warden's office instead of validhunting. Being lowpop with few tators, I treated traitors, whose jobs are to antagonize, with chem and tracking implants and stripping access/equipment instead of being a validhunting executioner removing all fun from the round and having a 3 hour long lowpop round with no antagonists. And yet, I still had to engage in a two round-ruining spiel just because Saegrimr felt like it (the following round I was a ling and we were STILL caught on it, and it's VERY distracting and resulted in the entire loud lingsquad dying because I wasn't at the forefront like they wanted me to, since I was busy with the adminhelp). I asked to speak to a different admin after he accuses me of making threatening him with the accusation, Shaps responded and told us both to chill out, I responded to Shaps with a broadened version of the story as memory served, and Saegrimr returned the discussion to stuns. I think he finally got totally fed up at a point, as he ended it there, though it took forever to get the contents of the note so I could contest it.
It would be helpful if we could get the adminhelp logs, since it was two days ago.
The complaint:
Saegrimr was accusative, unhelpful, and unfriendly. He wasn't interested in the span of events from my perspective from the start, or even if I had done wrong, rather, most of the time spent talking to him were based around my interpretation, that most would agree with, that stunning weapons should be treated as lethal equipment by security after taking into account intent/environment, rather than anything concrete. From the start, it felt like he was thumbing around for a reason to ban/note me, rather than sorting out reoccuring problems that arise ingame, similar to Oldman's very recent complaint against him, which is the opposite of good adminship. I highly doubt anyone directly involved in this chain of affairs adminhelped (Alex, myself or Sorrel who was later brigged for 8 minutes), meaning everyone believed they got what they deserved, and even if one of them did adminhelp, it's obvious that no wrongdoing was done, given that a cursory check of the logs shows Alexander asking for an execution multiple times which basically makes anything that happens to him afterward in security totally valid, even if I were the one to execute him (which I wasn't).
The first part of the note is only valid if there were not exacerbating circumstances. I contest that the argument we had in adminhelp was as a result of him escalating the situation, rather than myself. I made a single accusation, that he has a grudge against me, and that was after dozens of minutes of nonsense and contention by his part. Not multiple accusations.
