[POLL] Map rotation

peoplearestrange · Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:56 pm

Bottom post of the previous page:

It's not vastly inferior. It just has a couple of map issues that need bringing up to speed, since it was a fairly unused map and Metacide was away for a long period it kinda lagged behind. They are now active again, we're getting good feedback and things can be changed.

Also as a lot of people have made it clear, this isnt a "box vs meta" situation, its a "why not both!?".

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:24 pm #106848

Switching the map every few rounds also sounds like it will cause some pretty bad lag every time the minimap has to generate.

Right now it only generates on a new compile, but we're going to have to do just that every time we change maps.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:50 pm #106863

peoplearestrange wrote:Because like all things that don't get played with, it won't get fixed. Box was "broken" for the large population when we had a sudden population increase regularly. But things get balanced, hence why its a opensource github project, its constantly evolving and changing.

Exactly this. Metacide is on a roll with map updates. If a map gets more use, people are more motivated to update it. "Meta has some problems therefore we should never ever use it!" is a retarded argument.

Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:41 am

Ikarrus wrote:Switching the map every few rounds also sounds like it will cause some pretty bad lag every time the minimap has to generate.

Right now it only generates on a new compile, but we're going to have to do just that every time we change maps.

Change it so the minimap is saved based on map name so there can be several saved at once. They're not -that- big.

Not-Dorsidarf · Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:41 am

What even is the minimap?

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:45 am #106957

The minimap used by the crew monitoring console, it shows the map and blips for people who have their suit sensors on maximum.

QuartzCrystal · Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:10 pm

All these Box-fanbois are so transparent with their arguments.

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:07 pm #107017

>fanbois

No, we just prefer box. That's our right.

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:52 pm #107029

Scott wrote:>fanbois

No, we just prefer box. That's our right.

True but when you're 15% of the vote you have to realize that you are infact in a very small minority.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:55 pm #107031

You can say the same about those wanting pure metastation. The poll shows a 50% majority want both stations on a voting option.

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:56 pm #107032

Amelius wrote: The question is why we should bother playing it if it's currently a vastly inferior map to Box. We could just play Box instead.

Probably because a little bit of variety keeps the game interesting?

You go through the same motions on every map but the variety changes the playstyle pretty drastically per map and creates different scenarios and possibilities.

If you play one map in competitive CSGO I guarantee you'll be seeing the exact same plays made over and over and over.

The same pre-set smokes, the same picks, the same fakes, the same after plants.

It's the same with Box. You see the same shit pretty regularly.

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:58 pm #107034

Steelpoint wrote:You can say the same about those wanting pure metastation. The poll shows a 50% majority want both stations on a voting option.

As it's been pointed out, this is not a box vs meta situation.

The people who don't want to play meta are the most vocal, and complain loudly and threaten to stop playing or coding or supporting the community.

I haven't seen anyone do that who doesn't want to play box.

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:29 pm #107057

Because guess what. You could always have played Metastation before. Jump to the other whole fucking server we have, it's running Metastation 24/7.

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:32 pm #107072

Why would we go to basil that is Metafriend 24/7?

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:31 am #107098

Scott wrote:Because guess what. You could always have played Metastation before. Jump to the other whole fucking server we have, it's running Metastation 24/7.

Box has been run on Basil before and it remained lowpop. People play on Sybil because of the population, not the map. The poll shows that the overwhelming majority of the community wants to play on meta at least sometimes.

Incoming · Post by **Incoming** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:22 am #107111

The only proof I've found from any of this is you could probably offer ANYTHING to play on bagil and people would still shun it because of its playerbase/server population. I don't really think this has anything at all to do about the maps at this point, it's just a matter of getting people to not hate bagil.

Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:31 pm #107373

running meta for, say, 3 rounds and then running box for three rounds seems like a good solution too.
have the other server always run the other map, and have it give a big message when the maps change, obviously.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:10 pm #107401

Miauw wrote:running meta for, say, 3 rounds and then running box for three rounds seems like a good solution too.
have the other server always run the other map, and have it give a big message when the maps change, obviously.

From what I understand, the plan is to eventually have Bagil run a map geared towards low population, and have Sybil run a proper rotation.

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:05 am #107493

Just as a case study, I believe our last session of meta after we switched back to box the server actually dropped 20 or so people.

kosmos · Post by **kosmos** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:13 am #108348

I would've voted for forced rotation. Map switch every 24 hours.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:22 am #111475

Any news on a map rotation system?

Jalleo · Post by **Jalleo** » Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:20 pm #113641

Its on the todo list for MSO i suggest the maps like eff3 gets updated and maintained again if people want them. Might be a while though.

ABearInTheWoods · Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:52 am

Here is how such a system is going to work, I've got it designed out.

There will be a preference option, called prefered map

Every round, at the end, it will roll for a new map, based on the percents of people online who have that map as their prefered map. the current map will get some percent of extra votes to avoid it switching too much.

Maps will also have min and max pop rules, and even a weighting multiple like giving box 1.5 the votes it got or giving meta only half of the votes it got. (all in config files).

There will be a line in both the status and lobby tabs with the current map so it can be easily seen.

All we need is for me to have the motivation to code it. I've been busy at work, so my down time has been spent watching DS9 or out on the town, catching up with friends.

tedward1337 · Post by **tedward1337** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:14 pm #114642

I like it

Jalleo · Post by **Jalleo** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:36 pm #114868

MrStonedOne wrote:Snip

Can it be alternative Vote please with a reduced vote like 0.5 for your second choice and half again for the next and so on to help make it more even when we get more maps long term.

Deitus · Post by **Deitus** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 10:46 pm #114887

im fine with beta testing metastation i guess, if we could iron out the kinks it could be pretty good for a perma map

ABearInTheWoods · Wed Aug 26, 2015 12:27 am

Jalleo wrote:
MrStonedOne wrote:Snip
Can it be alternative Vote please with a reduced vote like 0.5 for your second choice and half again for the next and so on to help make it more even when we get more maps long term.

None of that applies, did you read what i said?

Its a random rotation weighted for what people selected. 90% of people can want box station, but metastation may still get selected 10% of the time.

newfren · Post by **newfren** » Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:10 am #114924

Nah MSO they mean like

I want box the most then meta then mini
Other guy wants meta the most then box then mini
so that's 1+0.5 for box, 0.5+1 for meta, 0.25+0.25 for mini
So there's a 3/7 chance to roll box, 3/7 chance to roll meta, 1/7 chance to roll mini.

At least I think that's what Jalleo's suggesting.

ABearInTheWoods · Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:55 am

hmmm.

It's doable, but harder to setup, somebody else could look at implementing that after i've got the base system in.

Tunder · Post by **Tunder** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:07 pm #117501

Cycling between Box, Asteroid and Meta would be cool.

JackHunt · Post by **JackHunt** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:15 pm #117515

It'd encourage mapping as well. It's a great idea.

Phalanx300 · Post by **Phalanx300** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:32 pm #118315

Some map rotation would be good, personally would be in favor of a ingame poll however randomising it also sounds good. We could even have the maps depend on population size, so a low population would give Ministation or another small station etc.

As for Metastation, I really used to like it and its still nice however I feel they cut too much maintanance away. Though that is just personal preference, if I were to make a map most of it would be maintanance.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:58 am #118367

I could see the perference setting like MSO wanted being good if every time it selected a new map it would be locked to it for about 3 rounds. It would be WAY too hard for new players to learn the game if the map was constantly shifting.

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:10 pm #121218

Is this still happening.

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:32 pm #122027

Bumping.

Post by **oranges** » Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:14 pm #122057

no go away

Not-Dorsidarf · Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:50 am

MsOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ABearInTheWoods · Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:58 pm

<TheGhostOfWhibyl1> [-tg-station] MrStonedOne opened pull request #12089: HOLY FUCKING SHIT, I'VE DONE IT! Map rotation! (master...maprotation) https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/12089

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:00 pm #122237

THE BEST

How should map rotation work on Sybil?