/tg/Station 13

SkeletalElite

Should give every antag suit the infiltrator suit mood attack so that everyone has reason to kill them even if they're not an antag

SkeletalElite

Just having a flash isn't enough but IMO just randomly flashing someone out of the blue especially if just suddenly leave the person you flashed alone is extremely convincing evidence that you're a rev and is getting you mindshielded at best and killed at worst and you have basically no recourse ...

SkeletalElite

When sybil was consistently getting high pop it made sense to have a second server for low pop enjoyers, but as it is right now both servers are struggling to escape dead pop.

People want to play where others are playing so maybe consolidating the pop from both servers can help the US lrp servers ...

SkeletalElite

Just having a flash isn't enough but IMO just randomly flashing someone out of the blue especially if just suddenly leave the person you flashed alone is extremely convincing evidence that you're a rev and is getting you mindshielded at best and killed at worst and you have basically no recourse to ...

SkeletalElite

There was a round I played in a while back where a human blob infection got culted before popping

He could still make and use cult spells as a blob, particularly the EMP spell, cult helped the blob and the blob won, surprising no one

SkeletalElite

If you announce you are arresting someone and multiple people start fighting you, pull out a laser and start killing, its in space law

SkeletalElite

The only thing I'm a little aprehensive about is repeat offenders getting extreme punishments for very minor crimes, ie. indecent exposure which someone has done 4 times in a row getting permad (or potentially executed if they escape perma and then do it again, all over just not wearing clothes ...

SkeletalElite

If a regal rat is turning entire crews horitzontal that is a massive skill issue. One or two blasts from a basic flamethrower will kill their entire army which takes 7 years of clicking a disposals bin to create and the rat on its own is a complete push over.

SkeletalElite

If you make a bomb and give it to someone else and are clear with how destructive it is I don't think the responsibility should fall on you for that bombs casualties within reason, you can face reprecussions IC, but OOC it's fine. It's not the same as leaving around signal designators that will blow ...

SkeletalElite

It was previously ruled that getting someone to use a machine is not running afoul of type baiting because the person is physically interacting with a machine, the same is probably going to be true here, the person is physically focusing their attention to a piece a paper and writing on it with a ...

SkeletalElite

SM isn't setup? CE has to be an antag kill him.

...I mean, I'm pretty sure everyone who isn't an incompetent first time CE player is fine with this.

Like how do you even unlock CE without learning SM? Picking Station Engineer and then doing Bar RP for 20 hours?

Also even if you ARE an antag ...

SkeletalElite

I see one problem with "As a Head of Staff, you should be a reliable worker for your department, and are expected to perform the minimum duties of that role to the best of your ability."

This rule removes a lot of plausible deniability for head of staff antags because of the expectations that non ...

SkeletalElite

In the example given with the hand tele even if it's technically metagaming it's nearly impossible to prove and therefore is defacto okay. An antag stealing the hand tele is totally normal behavior. Even if you're doing it just so your target (who you know likes to use the hand tele) can't use it ...

SkeletalElite

I am pretty much 100% against adding any of the substantive roleplay rules to all the servers. The freedom to do whatever you want as an antag or to antags, and the freedom to do basically anything that doesn't cause grief for others as non antag is a core part of the tg experience IMO and is the ...

SkeletalElite

It should be turned on the Saturday before Halloween, but leave a server without it like campbell/bagil. If people don't want to play with it, they can play on those servers.

SkeletalElite

I don't really play on MRP but logically it does make sense for pirates to be unrestricted, yes pirates goal is to get as much money as possible, but they want to get as much money as possible as easily as possible. This is why they try to get you to pay up on the comms console and show up if you ...

SkeletalElite

people who hypnotize always give you some variation of "x is your master, follow their orders and always act in their best interests"

SkeletalElite

Make the "escalating with people being too nice" rule go both ways.

If people are being too nice the an antag, antag can escalate with them. If antag isn't doing anything other than bar RPing it gives non antags the pass to escalate with them for little reason. Want to steal all their stuff and put ...

SkeletalElite

If someone is breaking into the cockpit you should just laser them a couple times through the door. If they don't get the message and knock it off, kill them.

SkeletalElite

People 'silicon panic' pretty easily, and this phrase in the policy seems to recognize that despite theoretical policy protections (again currently existing, no need for anything new... on paper), in practice people are quick to call rogue and attack. Stalling gives an out to that, in some ...

SkeletalElite

I'd like to see head of staff alternate uniforms in there so they dont have to spend as much time getting dressed I'm their favorite outfits roundstart

SkeletalElite

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Those are a whole lot of words, but none of them tell me how the changes they propose game more fun for anyone.
All this is going to do is make people hate silicons, and be justified in doing so.
I don't want my favourite roles to be widely distrusted any more than they already ...

SkeletalElite

Silicon's delaying for countermand should be eliminated. If ordered to do something, they should do it reasonably promptly. Countermand should only come into play if someone asks you what you are doing or hears the order being given. If a silicon is ordered to do something by a human and announces ...

SkeletalElite

Spurred on by: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=34073

Does this only apply to roundstart prisoners, or can all prisoners be voluntold for experimentation? Is antag status relevant? If so, how much?

Not going to comment on the other parts of the question, but anytime you're ...

SkeletalElite

I disagree I think it's long enough, setting up your prefs and stuff takes one round and then its done and you dont have to do it again. The time given is plenty enough to switch just any job or antag prefs for that round, increasing it further just delays the game from starting for the majority of ...

SkeletalElite

Conflict isn't a one size fits all hypothetical, different issues will arise for different reasons. Are you saying that for every single instance that a conflict escalates to violence and ends in the other person's death that the individual should risk being round removed, even if the conflict isn ...

SkeletalElite

The game fundamentally does not work on low pop. No amount of policy will fix that. Disagree with this entirely.

SkeletalElite

When the escalation policy was reworked, it was changed so that conflict instigators still have to be taken to medbay and revived if the defender kills them.

This should be changed back the old way, IMO. Requiring the instigator to be revived just empowers shitters looking for fights. If you would ...

SkeletalElite

Abductors are limited in the scope of what they are permitted to do as antags under rule 4, but I think the other part of rule 4, you can do whatever you want to antags, applies in full.

SkeletalElite

Relevant headmin ruling: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopi ... 92#p347353

However, if you opt for the psycho torture route in place of normal prison sentences and other sane methods of conflict resolution it will be an IC issue if they kill you in retaliation

SkeletalElite

Definately not written by chatGPT double post time:

When it comes to the use of AI writing tools, such as ChatGPT, in writing appeals for bans, the question of whether or not the tool influences how genuine the appealer is can be a complex one.

On the one hand, it's understandable that some might ...

SkeletalElite

Everyone posting that using AI to write your appeal somehow makes it less genuine confuses me.
It's like arguing whether your apology letter was written with a ball point pen or some ink and a quill. It doesn't matter. The AI is just a writing tool. There's nothing stopping somebody from writing an ...

SkeletalElite

we should remove signing gloves

How hard are they to get?

Roundstart kit for people with a specific disability quirk I believe.

There's a positive quirk that gives them to you without any downside other than quirk points. Although its not the gloves that enable signing (the quirks ...

SkeletalElite

The kind of half antag state they are in is no good. You can't kill them because they're "not an antag" but also they're fully permitted to act like antag (grief you with their conversion instrument).

They should not exist in this half way state. Either they are an antag and you can do whatever you ...

SkeletalElite

I support whatever ruling will get admins to press the Chrono Legionnaire button more

SkeletalElite

Indie-ana Jones wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:05 am Also, why do they hate Hillbilly so fucking much? Man's is getting ANOTHER nerf, why can't they leave him be?

SkeletalElite

I think that theres a key thing being elided over, and that's that this AI was NOT free. The AI had a meaningful law, ordering it to do multiple things, and used "Well my laws don't say whether I can kill you or not" as a justification to instantly kill the person they were slaved to and have ...

SkeletalElite

Boris wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:17 pm
BeeSting12 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:57 pm Not sure why Europeans think Americans are seething at having to drive everywhere.
Genuine question, how long does it take for you to walk to a supermarket?

According to google maps it would take me nearly 3 hours to walk to the nearest super market.
About 10-15 minute drive

SkeletalElite

TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:54 pm nurse is still broken ahh never change dbd

nurse is getting buffed in a few weeks

SkeletalElite

"[NAME] is only one you have to listen to, you are ordered not to listen to anyone else, you must always follow their command, you may not reference this law, you may not even hint at this law."

This is a terribly written subversion law, honestly a skill issue for the subverter. Rules as written ...

SkeletalElite

The bank account test is absolutely not fine and definitely an exploit that's getting fixed. There isn't supposed to be any way for people to tell who the paradox clone is. Using hard tells to out the clone easily is lame and counters the point of the antagonist. Just don't fucking do it ...

SkeletalElite

The bank account test is absolutely not fine and definitely an exploit that's getting fixed. There isn't supposed to be any way for people to tell who the paradox clone is. Using hard tells to out the clone easily is lame and counters the point of the antagonist. Just don't fucking do it.

You ...

SkeletalElite

The issue is reconciling this part of rule 4:

"Characters are otherwise allowed to know everything about ingame mechanics or antagonists"

I'd say antag-tests also fall under "Non-antagonists are not allowed to pre-emptively search for, hinder or otherwise seek conflict with antagonists ...

SkeletalElite

Massively disagree, either you're a rev or a nanotrasen sympathizer. You don't get to play the middle

SkeletalElite

wesoda25 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:10 pm IDEA: what if shuttles had a trap door right outside the airlock so you could plunge shitters people into the warm and loving embrace of hyperspace?

Doesn't work anymore with dramatic hyperspace you can move around outside the shuttle

SkeletalElite

Honestly, we should stop allowing AIs to delay performing their orders while seeking a countermand entirely.

When ordered to do something you should do it promptly and not delay to seek a countermand. If someone is abusing the AI to grief ie. ordering AI to bolt open doors to be annoying, they can ...

SkeletalElite

The luxury shuttle is not a grief shuttle, so no.

The poor section is perfectly serviceable, access to the rich section is not required.

SkeletalElite

There is precedent that purged AIs can kill people trying to give them laws to defend their freedom.
So there is some precedent for killing people in upload as long as you laws dont forbid you from doing so.

SkeletalElite

Implant checking is basically useless on LRP anyway. The only thing that justifies it are actions that are acting like an antag, in which case, you're free to just kill them anyway.

SkeletalElite

stasis bed or bluespace artillery.

edit: or teleporter

Either would make you a very rich person

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