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Hiya, on the face of it its been long enough I'm willing to give you another chance, however do understand that the behaviour that caused your original non-evasion ban won't be tolerated, let alone the ban evasion.

From now on, always stick to Termaus. If for some reason in the future you need to ...

Ians I appreciate your feedback but you also just sunk my 3 year streak of no feedback

There's lots of things that silicons cannot interact with in an ideal way, and thats part and parcel of the restrictions of being a silicon - I'm not sure we should be ring gating antagonist content that silicons are allowed to valid because it'd be inconvenient for them to not be allowed to.

Thanks for that - basically, we take ban evasion very seriously - breaking the rules is one thing, but trying to flaunt the ban system basically attempts to invalidate the ban and appeals system, and isn't really fair to other players who have to take their lumps, one way or another!

For this ...

Even without silicon policy, this is pretty straightforward - you see that hurting the spirit hurts humans = hitting the spirit is human harm, Law 1 means you will sooner die than hit that spirit.

Does it suck that silicons are forbidden from attacking spirits once they see this? Sure! But ...

Even without silicon policy, this is pretty straightforward - you see that hurting the spirit hurts humans = hitting the spirit is human harm, Law 1 means you will sooner die than hit that spirit.

Does it suck that silicons are forbidden from attacking spirits once they see this? Sure! But thats ...

Hi, thanks for your appeal!

Could you confirm the username of your (or your brother's) alt(s)?

To be clear, I wasn't saying "we should code this out", more that if the consensus was "the captain/hos/security/whoever shouldn't ever be mugging the Chaplain for his null rod (to get anti-magic)" then it's better dealt with by code then admins - anything more shades of grey then that, yes, it's ...

Ultimately, where there exists a cogent reason for taking it (there is a wizard who the captain wants/needs to kill) I think they're within the rights to try . The chaplain is equally within their rights to space their rod/evade arrest/etc.

The issue more exists where someone would start stealing ...

Hi, I've not heard anything back on this since my last post - as a result I'm locking it and considering it resolved unless a headmin interjects. Per my last post, I've made a change to the note so it now reads:
Banned from the server for 3 days - Banned for 3 days, banned from Atmospherics/Science ...

Separate post - precedent: Generally admins have been held to hold a role as a GM (in the D&D sense) over the round and to usher the round in certain directions - such as introducing conflict to the round if there is a lack of it. There is also some (though lesser) precedent for admins being allowed ...

Worth noting, under peanut policy, the complainant had a series of altercations with the mentioned player that were not mentioned in complaint.

Link to raw logs: https://tgstation13.org/raw-logs/sybil/data/logs/2023/09/10/round-214306/

Relevant tickets: [2023-09-10 08:48:13.162] ADMINPRIVATE ...

Code issue, really - the word filter should be applying at the point of user input, not at the point of being said.

Hiya, thanks for the appeal!

To explain some of the background behind this, its worth noting that explosives have always been treated as an extreme option, the more destructive they are, the more dangerous they are considered and the more you're playing with fire by using them, even against ...

Locking barring headmin intervention, referencing Admin Complaint rule 4:

4. This board is not for ban appeals. You may appeal a ban you do not agree with in the appropriate board. Ban appeals posted here will be moved or deleted.

as OP notes themselves:

my main concern with this complaint is ...

As a question from a former headmin - you're clearly someone who is on the server a lot, and I'm never going to claim its impossible to be a headmin and still play, but the headminship is a time commitment and even the most active of headmins do drop their activity at least a bit on the server wrt ...

Closing per OP's request and with a headmin ruling of:

Timberpoes wrote:It's already in the rules as a power admins have. No ruling is necessary.

Headmin's feel free to re-open/add to if needed.

Posting under peanut policy due to a difference of precedence vs what a headmin has said - hoping to gain clarity:

However, if they have no intent to answer a ticket we do ask them to make sure they try to get an admin that will handle it onto the servers if they're blocking our ahelp relay ...

I can only presume their reasoning is to swell their cut, which brings up the rather interesting question of what Patreon exactly spends money on that they need more revenue, considering they're basically getting paid in exchange for hosting a single page and acting as payment processor.

For every person who finds it very funny to be murdered on the shuttle there will be someone who prefers to try and stay alive at any cost even if the round is going to end in 30 seconds.

Why wouldn't this person just take a pod?

A variety of reasons:

a) They latejoined/weren't paying ...

Notoriously representative forum polls, which is why we do headmin elections via them :p

I know this comes up like every other week but I do seek to remind people that "fun" is not an objective measure and what is fun for you might not be fun for others.

For every person who finds it very funny to be murdered on the shuttle there will be someone who prefers to try and stay alive at any ...

To note, Mothblocks is a current Head Administrator, so the only people who could review this ban with an eye to overturning it would be the other two Head Administrators acting together or MSO, which while not impossible, seems unlikely.

As I say, this isn't a "new issue" - the fundamental question is whether you can do something that hurts and or kills others for "a fun time "/little to no reason - the rules are clear on this. You are of course welcome to start a Policy Discussion if you think this Policy should be revised to be ...

Hi! Thanks for appealing.

As we briefly discussed in #help on Discord, your understanding of the ruling and its implications on enforcement seem (to my eye) incorrect.

The rules state:

Random murders are not acceptable nor is the killing of other players for poor or little reasoning such as ‘My ...

> Since I don't normally play on our LRP servers, I definitely don't claim i'm as qualified to make policy affecting them compared to other admins that specialize in that area. As such I'd defer to other headmins and admins when it comes to that area of policy discussion if I were to be elected ...

What Now
1- I want our bans to be public.
2-giving more autonomy for MRP and LRP admins on policy
3- I want to cut out inactive admins coming back to ban someone then going inactive again.
4- Id like to completely rewrite the admin training note as its become out of date

Thanks for your ...

Hi - I appreciate that you've provided some reasoning for why you should be chosen over other "policy light" headmins - that said, given you clearly have strong views on our rules pages/moderated wiki sections, could I ask what plans you have in mind for that? Doesn't have to be super detailed, just ...

Platform:
I don't believe there's a whole ton of things off the bat that I want to see changed from the server, but that's not to say that there's nothing. From the administrative side I only have a few things that I want to run under:
* Faster denial process for shitpost appeals so that the admin ...

Isn't that literally standard at this point? I thought headmins review all rejected appeals (and accepted-but-only-softened appeals if the accused is still dissatisfied).
The way it works (or has worked for this term) is that if the person appealing requests a headmin review, or the appeal is a ...

There isn't an exception listed for murderboning when it comes to Lavaland elites
While I completely respect your decision, I have to ask that you make this public policy as several admins have had disagreements and this is what led to the frustration in the first place. I attached an image for ...

Spent some time on the same server as them, and they seem level headed and with a good grasp of when to look for help/other opinions, good note penmanship as well.

A promising start

Unbanned, be good.

(Also stop arguing about whether drone bans are ~relevant or not~, they're still on your records.)

Hiya, sorry for the delay!

The reason you were banned for ban evasion is due to having multiple old accounts, two of which have permanent bans from certain roles (AI/Cyborg and Drone).

When we see someone show up on a new account inexplicably where their old one has still active bans, we have to ...

Made some changes to minimize flowery language and condense certain sections.

Main changes were merging Ambiguous and Conflicting Laws (these policies stand alone pretty well and removes surplus headings), reorganizing those policies so they flow a bit better.

Added Security Policy 2.1 - adds a ...

I'll handle this.

Hi, apologies for the delay, the holiday season always brings with it a certain amount of tumult.

By my understanding of your complaint, there are 3 main points to this:

Why was your post considered peanut?
Why was your second post returned with a message asking you to cease?
Why were other ...

Hi,

This is a complaint against me.

I'll respond in due course, but I would appreciate if you could post your citation for this exemption from peanut post rules:
It's not a goddamn peanut post since it's a permaban, the point of a permaban appeal is to get references from people that you weren't ...

As a point of precedent, sending a shit nuke request code/message/other to CentComm or the Syndicates can and will result in you being inflicted with revenge by them. This applies whether or not you are an antagonist.

Typically this takes the forms of lesser retaliation then instant death, but can ...

Slightly offtopic, but I will note from having read far too many ban appeals: Don't swing for the fences all the time. I see far too many ban appeals where someone tries to swing for "I DID NOTHING WRONG UNBAN ME NOW AND GIVE ME YOUR FIRSTBORN IN SACRIFICE" where they could quite easily and ...

This thread seems like a complete non-sequitur to what it suggests to change.

Rule 0 has no effect on ban lengths - the only ban with any kind of prescribed ban (and even that more a suggestion then written in stone) is 24 hours per innocent person killed.

If you get a ban where you feel you did ...

As one of the former headmins who made (along with my co-headmins) the talking mimes rule

No, talking through emote is an admin/rule breaking matter, not one for valid/salad determinations.

If you kill someone for speaking through emote in general I'm probably going to warn you to not handle OOC ...

Posting as a forum moderator:

I will note as a point of order that Admin Complaints has generally been upheld to not be Ban Appeals+ or Ban Appeals v2 - I appreciate there may be conduct Libby finds unbecoming that's occurred in the process of their ban appeal - but currently my reading of the ...

I'm considering this resolved since you've raised no real objection to the note, just FYI.

On discussion with others, while the foundation of this ban is fine, the duration was probably a bit long all things accounted for, so I've shortened this to an hour and a half instead.

Your recent notes/bans inclined me to believe this was more then a lame joke.

Also to give the quote in full (from https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/terry/data/logs/2020/09/16/):

[2020-09-16 17:46:12.124] SAY: Supergrog/(Moon PP) (DEAD) "ok ill be honest i dont actually give a fuck about the ...

Given the extreme bad faith in the opening of this post, shitposting, and talking about a rule that is technically offtopic to the subject of the OP, plus MSO's response, I'm just gonna go ahead and lock this barring the headmins or the incoming term wanting to issue a response.

Please use the template provided here: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=166

(Yes, this also applies to Discord complaints)

CoffeeDragon16 wrote:I guess I'll retract the complaint as I just think it could have been handled a lot better

Based on this, locking the complaint barring a headmin intercession. OP PM me if this should remain open for some reason.

As the complainant has retracted their complaint, locking this up barring a headmin feeling the need to intervene.

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