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tunderchief

Okay, thanks for the edit.

Looking back on your history, I do agree that you had a bad habit of blowing shit up where it was unnecessary. Seeing as it's been quite some time since your ban, I'm willing to give you another shot, with the following stipulation:

You will be banned from Chemistry and ...

tunderchief

BYOND account: Tunderchief
Character name: Unsure since it was a Sandbox round, but likely Tore Hrafnsson.
Ban type: Server
Ban length: Permanent
Ban reason: Crashing Sybil with no survivors
Time ban was placed: Sometime in 2015
Server you were playing on when banned: Sybil
Your side of the ...

tunderchief

Your side of the story: Had admin powers, did stupid shit with explosive objects, crashed the server.

I was critical of bad policymaking and admin ingrouping/rules abuse and did not hold back my opinions, so a lot of admins, especially bad ones , did not like me much.

I find it strange that ...

tunderchief

most recent notes
https://i.imgur.com/Tg17bYz.png
Oof!
edit: if you get out of this please don't act this way i don't look forward to adminpms from you based on these and even more notes :^)

I played /tg/ for six or seven years. If you are anywhere that long and involve yourself, you are ...

tunderchief

Byond account and character name: tunderchief/Tore Hrafnsson
Banning admin: HornyGranny
Ban type: Server permaban
Ban reason and length: Crashing Sybil with no survivors
Time ban was placed: A while ago
Your side of the story: Sandbox, did stupid shit with explosive objects, crashed the server.
Why ...

tunderchief

Mafiosos start with random suits, black lace-up shoes, and sunglasses in their backpack.

tunderchief

The only people defending it are those who partake in the greytide and don't want the party to end.

Citation very fucking much needed. I'm defending it. Am I one of those people? Name names or shut up.

>implying you don't play as Fortune Ray
>implying I don't see you breaking into EVA and ...

tunderchief

And there are arguments for why it's a shitty solution that will just cause more problems. Worse problems.

But that's the thing, there aren't many arguments as to why the proposed solution is shitty. The only pro-greyshit arguments have been debunked multiple times, whereas there are multiple ...

tunderchief

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"Yeah I think I am not playing security today."-Me

Fucking THIS.

It doesn't matter if one in every four assistants is actually a decent player some of the time. Greytide is every round now. Greytide is ruining the game. We can pick up the pieces later, but for now it NEEDS ...

tunderchief

>his comment is countered

>deletes his comment and the comment countering it

Anyway, This thread is as much about how shitty it is to push nerfs/buffs into server code without community input and voting, as it is about this specific nerf.

tunderchief

Was nerfing C4 EVER discussed or voted upon, or was it some butthurt unrobust person who did the nerf and pushed it through himself?

Parapen was arguably overpowered, but C4 should not have been messed with.

tunderchief

Why not just
You are the Assistant.
As the Assistant you answer directly to absolutely everyone. Special circumstances may change this.
Enforce things that already exist?

>implying the whole Assistant issue doesn't stem largely from Admins who cover everything but OOC and only the most extreme ...

tunderchief

I completely agree with Amelius about 2 things:

We need a job like Mechanics that are essentially Assistants 2.0 (NOT Greytide 2.0!)

And that Assistants are a Blank Canvas Job, which means they should have some things added to them (with caution ofc) instead of removed.

Not much we can do about ...

tunderchief

In addition, what happens if the target gets borged? Or goes braindead/suicides? Or any of the other things that can go wrong. All this does is encourage traitors to kidnap their target and hide them somewhere, for the rest of the round, out of the way and incapable of escaping or doing anything ...

tunderchief

Even when I do choose assistant, I go around fixing things.
http://i.imgur.com/JowaX3Y.png

Obviously you shouldn't pick jobs that are supposed to go around fixing things, no sir.

Obviously I was playing this game wrong all along and you are the only person who knows how to play.

If your ...

tunderchief

>enormous remote detonated canister bombs

Yes please.

tunderchief

Magical, in that it somewhat defeats the purpose of the entire thing.

Not at all. Rather, it deals with a great deal of the meta. If it is possible to code it so that late join assistants get the same chance of antag as every other possible antag job, then those who have no choice but Assistant ...

tunderchief

>implying you can't just place (target is NOT to be confined or unwillingly molested by you in any way) after the objective

tunderchief

Agreed, that's flippin awesome. Anything that makes pAIs more versatile is good.

tunderchief

Magical, in that it somewhat defeats the purpose of the entire thing.

Not at all. Rather, it deals with a great deal of the meta. If it is possible to code it so that late join assistants get the same chance of antag as every other possible antag job, then those who have no choice but Assistant ...

tunderchief

Cipher3 wrote:The vote should have been set up differently.
"Does assistants' antag chance need a change?"
Yes
No
And then another poll if yes

Except this works fine.

'yes' was split into two questions, but 1 and 2 are still 'yes', regardless of how you butthurt greyfriends want to twist it.

tunderchief

As most everyone knows, we are currently drowning in a permanent greytide composed of the most experienced players in the game going perma-Assistant to get a higher chance of Antag roles, or to screw off without being expected to do anything productive should they fail to obtain an Antag role ...

tunderchief

Yeah, like everyone else before me, I used to play Mining because it was a chill job, isolated from the chaos of the station. Ever since the update, I haven't touched it other than trying the first few times. It's shit and makes no sense and it stalls science.

This. Mining was a chill job where ...

tunderchief

He ended the shitty event with 'THANKYOUFORDIEING'

Can't even spell 'dying' right but he sure has no problem badminning and arming the damned nuke.

Has anyone ever told you that you're a spergy little faggot?

>point out that Brotemis has a history of abusing OOC mute and self-appeasing events ...

tunderchief

I love it. It promotes infighting, and defending antags shitting on murderboners.

At absolute worst, murderboning will get slightly curbed.

At best, murderboning will be heavily damaged by vigilante antags with safeguard objectives.

tunderchief

Someone on ooc said yesterday "delete library, it's useless" and "no one read books". This of course shouldn't ever be allowed, the legacy and server heritage contained within these books must be preserved.

Then I started to think of ways to make people pick Librarian again. It's true, no one read ...

tunderchief

Anything but the cancer that was Antag Sec.

Although Assistants need to be fixed before Sec is.

tunderchief

You guys make it seem like getting antag is a big deal. Maybe to some, and I do think it's cool to have the roles that help the station get more priority. But they can also enjoy a swarm of assistants taking part in a good hunt for 'em. Does anyone have the max population all the jobs (except ...

tunderchief

He ended the shitty event with 'THANKYOUFORDIEING'

Can't even spell 'dying' right but he sure has no problem badminning and arming the damned nuke.

tunderchief

People will just grab Med Doctor or other slots and get demoted/do nothing in the event this happens.

But that isn't a problem, as MDs or any other job with a department(other than maybe Engineers) look suspicious when anywhere other than their assigned area. Assistants are a triple threat. No ...

tunderchief

Brotemis 'event':

>mute OOC
>turn all the tiles Cult
>send multiple gibberish Centcomm announcements
>keep breaking the lights
>set off the nuke when he gets bored with being absolute shit at events, no one can complain because OOC is disabled

tunderchief

The bottom line is that if Assistants outnumber Sec, or Science, or Engineering at fuckin' round start, there is a problem. And this has been an problem for a long time.

Assistants need to be nerfed to make them less fun, and to either push the people who abuse them into actual station jobs, or ...

tunderchief

PROJECTED TIMELINE OF ALIUM MODE:

1. Alien mode created
2. Imbalances, issues and bugs arise
3. Issues are fixed
4. People whine that it was better before, everyone hates it and calls it a shit mode
5. Taken out of heavy rotation
6. Maintenance on the code decreases, some bug eventually renders ...

tunderchief

>forcing monkey mode

>still no Xeno mode even though 7/10 people want it

tunderchief

Byond account and character name: Tunderchief/Tore Hrafnsson
Banning admin: No clue
Ban reason and length: Assuming inactivity, probably until it's brought up on here.
Time ban was placed (including time zone): No clue
Your side of the story: I've been Headbanned for months, and I haven't bothered ...

tunderchief

Boasting in an epic bread.

tunderchief

Exactly. Now that people understand how to fight it and how to be blobs in a general sort of seeping-into-collective-consciousness level, it seems almost like a... fair fight? Blob's super powerful, but you can beat it if you're smart, lucky, or you just have more people than it can react to ...

tunderchief

The more I think about it the better overall antag. removal from assistant sounds.
It should help place the "job" back as a sort of tutorial for new players.
Like, you know, play as long as you want on training wheels, but if you ever want cool stuff you'll have to move up and take responsibilities ...

tunderchief

But aliens usually end really long (and boring) ling/extended rounds. I have never seen them actually ruin a round within 30-60 minutes, ever.

HBL and Bluespace will occasionally run round-start extended rounds with Xenos. And those rounds are honestly ridiculously fun. The whole crew works to ...

tunderchief

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:
tunderchief wrote:I know that I don't
...then what are you doing here?

Hoping that Mining goes back to the way it used to be, so I can go back to it. Apparently with fifty other people.

tunderchief

Contrary to the poll, I regularly see full set of miners at the round start. it really is very easy to mine now.

Well, it's random seed, so ending up as a Miner at round start is pretty likely. Doesn't mean anyone actually mines, I know that I don't., and the HoP line is near always filled with ...

tunderchief

paprika wrote:It's the placebo effect tunder.

Perhaps, but you know as well as I do it doesn't change the fact that Assistants need to be made less desirable.

tunderchief

http://www.tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1032
Stated in this thread that Rev rounds tend to end up being flash and smash as there isn't a delay or really any sorta of way to do it sneakily. Having been on both ends of a Rev as a head,security and revolutionary I can see that there are ...

tunderchief

I just witnessed a round in which the monkey virus was shut down within five minutes of round start, but Ikarrus felt the need to give the nuclear authorization code out an hour later, one minute before the shuttle arrived, getting the entire crew murdered.

Killing the entire crew as a nonantag for ...

tunderchief

paprika wrote:start packing your bags

If you refer to the previous discussion, plenty of folks, including those who I believe are pretty experienced with the server, stated that Greyshirts have increased Antag odds. I'm just relaying the prior discussion.

tunderchief

paprika wrote:They don't get a higher chance of antag roles.

Whoever started this rumor needs to fucking leave forever.

Even if it isn't true, which I am fairly sure it is, the Assistant role needs to be made less desirable, and returned to the training job it was intended to be.

tunderchief

But their presence did encourage miners to actually do their jobs, even if there is no RnD staff.

If you removed the point system and moved everything to the protolathe miners would have no reason to do anything if nobody in researching, even if there's a ton of other jobs that occasionally need ...

tunderchief

If people aren't mining now that it's incredibly easy, they still won't mine even if mining was reverted. There would probably be less miners, since there would be no fun goodies to look forward to without RnD's help.

That absence of 'fun goodies' didn't stop Mining before the update. Put the new ...

tunderchief

No no no, you're missing something important. Suppose the aliens kill all the humans and take over the station. Congratulations, the round will now never end. Ever.

But that's not true.

>Alien minor victory - Covering 70-80% of the station in that purple weed stuff. Similar to the Blob ...

tunderchief

MisterPerson wrote:Xenos already is a random event

That almost never happens. A tree falls in the woods and no one sees it, etc.

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