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dirk_mcblade

IC issue, if the players can organize this during a round that's their prerogative, a server policy would be a waste of time.

dirk_mcblade

Potato is an easy S tier, it is one of the best side dishes and can be used for an unfathomable amount of dishes, it is VASTLY superior to sweet potato in terms of this range, that potato is the lowest here is CRIMINAL

Listen, I understand it's controversial opinion. But potato is only ...

dirk_mcblade

But my car isn't broken.

dirk_mcblade

Only good for high population rounds. AI can't start the SM engine. Seems like it's just busy work for engineering at the beginning of the shift. Doesn't seem to offer anything metastation lacks.

dirk_mcblade

I don't like this proposal.

dirk_mcblade

If you've enslaved a large group of workers and they're all in a chaotic group somewhere, you need a structure to keep hold of them, a structure that still reports to you. If you had humans to assign to keep watch over them, you would, but what if you don't have enough humans? Then you'd choose ...

dirk_mcblade

I know you don't mean this literally, this ain't a dig at you and it might come hugboxy and pretentious on my end to say this (I just see it too often and when I do it hits me like a freight train), but if someone calls me a drooling chimpanzee they could be telling me to do the genuinely best ...

dirk_mcblade

Are coders really going to patch out pointing silently at things because it makes gameplay too fluid?
Please spend your time doing literally anything else aside from violent crimes.

dirk_mcblade

But I suppose access to recorded rounds and things like number of played rounds are an exploit and since that has been patched out, in a few years time we'll have no publicly accessible information concerning who might actually have credibility concerning gameplay experience. But that won't ...

dirk_mcblade

Iunno if recent or total playtime (on tg during recorded periods) says much compared to whether or not a person has a decent bit of insight from either a historical or broader perspective, being 'involved' in the community itself. We've got a lot of folk still around not playing terribly often ...

dirk_mcblade

Or are you saying facts.

dirk_mcblade

Imagine coming to the SS13 forums for the first time and finding this thread lol

new people to ss13 dont' go on the forum, only banned people and old players go here.

The discord is general is much more active and less negative because its' actually people who enjoy playing vs people who ...

dirk_mcblade

massa wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:09 pm i'd rather we stop deleting antags and guns than "just play mrp lol" it's not the same experience at all

This is more or less the only thing I think Sybil needs at the moment. Can't really do much more than that.

dirk_mcblade

im sorry mister september 2024 but ive genuinely never experienced any of this.

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It should also be noted that mimepride has 5000 rounds on the servers. I don't think it's fair to characterize him as September 2024. Forum registration date does not equate experience and you are ...

dirk_mcblade

ok have any of you guys actually played on the MRP server like its basically indistinguishable from the LRP servers other than the fact that people talk to you first before they valid you for walking into their department

Assuming this were true I don't have a problem with MRP servers to begin ...

dirk_mcblade

I'll repeat what I said and add that assigning blame and looking for scapegoats rather than PLAYING THE VIDEOGAME ON SYBIL isn't gonna solve the problem of PEOPLE NOT PLAYING ON SYBIL.

Hop on Sybil :)

I think I have about 500 hours logged in the server, that's not the highest amount of course ...

dirk_mcblade

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 8:32 pm i think tex figured all this out a couple years ago fams

Ditch ss13 for battletech lore videos?

dirk_mcblade

Doesn't space lube dry up after a while now? That basically eliminates the janitor's role in cleaning up.
Also it seemed like a funnier concept when you would slip more than 3 tiles in a line.
People wanted to play ss13 because of things like sseth's video where you could slip people out of a long ...

dirk_mcblade

I just prompted chatgpt with "non-practicing ss13 YouTuber" and it generated this pfp for me. Easy.

dirk_mcblade

I'm out of ideas and I'm not in a position to play for a few weeks to see what's going on. Did you try alt+clicking the coffee maker? Sometimes that removes inserted things.

dirk_mcblade

Did you eject the cartridge first?
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/68178

dirk_mcblade

anyways to make this post more than just gloating i will say that i think probably the shift away especially from things such as sybil with its LRP is that ss13 continues to fade out of public consciousness more and more, of which it was already barely in, older players as well are the the ones ...

dirk_mcblade

Hot take: Marcus Aurelius raised a really bad son.

dirk_mcblade

Admins don't retain that well, Kevinz still knocks about but they seem much happier where they are now, roping them back in as a trainer using a carrot of old tg seems like a possible strategy of different levels of lrp and mrp wrangling experience.

That's fine, I might not even get that far and ...

dirk_mcblade

Honestly by putting these changes out there you make a good point that it's not only the code base but also the admin staff that are important for a server. Unfortunately in my case it's going to be months away if ever before I get any kind of server up and even then it's going to be a 5 player ...

dirk_mcblade

Reasons I believe tanked Sybil:

- QC bans also taking the friends of the QC banned with them, reducing population far more than intended
- Weighted random and pop requirements for specific maps leading to death spirals of unpopular maps, which for the most part also have not changed
- Sybil ...

dirk_mcblade

I've bookmarked the PR for review later if I get to the point of concocting my own fork.

dirk_mcblade

Im gonna plop this down in here, but would you guys play Sybil if something like https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=37215 was implemented? I see mainly Sybil folks in here which is why Im asking

Wouldn't hurt for you to try but where I'm at personally in life I can't do ...

dirk_mcblade

This is the lowest the 30-day average has ever been since mid-2017 (since the data has been collected)

Granted, this is in part due to the DDoS. But even then, we've had worse DDoSes and people still kept playing. (The dip in 2022-2023 is because of a DDoS, I believe.)
And also the wallening. But ...

dirk_mcblade

one thing i never understood was that dynamic shit is policy for some reason. why would it not be a coder thing? feels like coders should be the ones tweaking those values, not admins

I think he means it's not hard coded so every downstream server can tweak it themselves in the config ...

dirk_mcblade

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:46 am one thing i never understood was that dynamic shit is policy for some reason. why would it not be a coder thing? feels like coders should be the ones tweaking those values, not admins

I think he means it's not hard coded so every downstream server can tweak it themselves in the config.

dirk_mcblade

revert? bro ur trying too hard just drop a few 'prob(50) return' in there till its golden brown and delicious

Explain it to me like I'm an imbecile, where do I put in a bunch of 'prob(50) return'?
I don't know coding except for some VBA stuff but I will be trying to learn a minimal amount of ...

dirk_mcblade

What particular PR is responsible for so many mid round antags spawning?
I've located the following suspects but I'm not sure what the correct revert would be
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/57175
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/67823
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation ...

dirk_mcblade

It's also not an inherently incorrect idea. If wallening had worked flawlessly from the start we wouldn't be talking about this right now.

Hitting you with a great big, nuh uh . Soul has been bleeding out of the game for like you say in the place of 'scenery' with a cross cut of being ...

dirk_mcblade

Fair enough. As for your questions regarding what it would take to revert those changes you were you looking at, the answer would be not hard. In order to create a server while what you're thinking of, first you'd fork the most recent version of the /tg/ repo. Then, go to the PRS that made the ...

dirk_mcblade

Fair enough. As for your questions regarding what it would take to revert those changes you were you looking at, the answer would be not hard. In order to create a server while what you're thinking of, first you'd fork the most recent version of the /tg/ repo. Then, go to the PRS that made the ...

dirk_mcblade

It's also not an inherently incorrect idea. If wallening had worked flawlessly from the start we wouldn't be talking about this right now.

If anything works then we wouldn't be talking about it.
Why are we sacrificing the south (and perhaps west/east) walls' hangings to make the game look like ...

dirk_mcblade

>le crazy

Let's talk about removing antags and content instead.

I quit playing specifically when they removed the gluttony syringe from the lavaland gluttony rune, and when I asked the maintainer in the coderbus if they were willing to merge any potential replacement items I was told that ...

dirk_mcblade

I think ultimately people hate anarchy

excuse me sir i love anarchy

Make a server about it then

we had one
it was murdered

Clearly another case of authoritarian capitalism killing an anarchist socialist server (socialist because Sybil players don't pay for the Patreon). I get all ...

dirk_mcblade

massa wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 12:23 pm
dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 9:44 am I think ultimately people hate anarchy
excuse me sir i love anarchy

Make a server about it then

dirk_mcblade

I gave monkestation a spin a few weeks back and it was pretty fun. Don't entirely like the consent based approach to round removal but it still had some space for random shenanigans and the population was healthy. I think it's done a good job growing the past two years. It definitely isn't LRP ...

dirk_mcblade

I gave monkestation a spin a few weeks back and it was pretty fun. Don't entirely like the consent based approach to round removal but it still had some space for random shenanigans and the population was healthy. I think it's done a good job growing the past two years. It definitely isn't LRP ...

dirk_mcblade

Somebody starting from zero would take weeks or months to get to the point where you can get it done in one evening, and if they have other responsibilities they must prioritize, for example family situations or just work travel in general, then it's that much slower.
I'm not saying this to ...

dirk_mcblade

Sure the game's a little quiet nowadays. Let me tell you something ladies & gents. All you've got to do about this situation is not care too much about it - like not get to page 5 on a forum discussion on it. Why don't you go play something modern and 3D and all fancy like?

Matter of fact I ...

dirk_mcblade

I'm not certain coders would agree to any sort of non-coder oversight.
Plus, it's already pretty easy to tell how controversial a given PR is. If people care about the PR at all, there will be some number of reactions to it.

By the time it gets to the PR the time is already spent. I'm not ...

dirk_mcblade

In terms of "programming resources"; tgstation development has no programming resources. There is nobody who has the ability to say to anyone else "code this", it's entirely done by random people who see a thing and want to add, change, or remove it. And it's unpopular to say, but a majority of ...

dirk_mcblade

Given that programming resources are scarce wouldn't you want to test the player reception to new features before committing fully to implementing them and maintaining those features? I realize this cuts both ways since removing prog trait would be the "new" feature. Also I noticed there's this sort ...

dirk_mcblade

I mean can't y'all host Sybil with blackjack and hookers? fork /tg/ and revert whatever changes you want to revert and have your fun time with your friends like Pepper and Axle?

Yes, but also no. There's a lot that goes into running a server even on a temporary basis, and you're kind ...

dirk_mcblade

I mean can't y'all host Sybil with blackjack and hookers? fork /tg/ and revert whatever changes you want to revert and have your fun time with your friends like Pepper and Axle?

Yes, but also no. There's a lot that goes into running a server even on a temporary basis, and you're kind of ...

dirk_mcblade

Just to clarify I wasn't saying Sybil died because people got too busy with their lives

You wouldn't be entirely wrong. That's my personal situation for example. But I would expect it to be a constant decline over time. If someone posts the player pop history and there's different rates of ...

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