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Coming back to this thread I guess maybe I need to clarify for this, that this is something I wouldn't really bat an eye at if it was things done with malice. Like intentionally lying in tickets with the intention of causing problems. Its one thing to choose to not spill the beans or whatever, not ...

As long as people accidently omitting things is included in this, right? Seems to be the meat of the edit though anyways so cool.

for posterity i've added the previous threads of discussion to the OP, and also here:

initial topic by TBM that lead to the unrestriction of lings: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=85&t=34523
previous topic asking for lings to be restricted again: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB ...

"Oh hey let's unrestrict changelings so they can fully use their powers."

> Lings proceed to use good faith F-word pass to act like the lamest traitors imaginable

I'm starting to wonder if we need to rethink how we limit antags on MRP, because I have my doubts about the current binary system ...

Yeah, validhunting and the extreme nullifying of threats was already the baseline problem here lets NOT be encouraging that more. It promotes an environment lacking sportsmanship and storytelling, which is what things like ling are now also allowed to promote by extension of being able to toss ...

Banning lings from saying fuck just brings us back to square 1 where they get round removed simply for existing. If you want to re-restrict them, you need to have a solution for this.

Lings need to be unrestricted to actually do their job effectively. It amps up the tension and gives a credible ...

The unrestriction of lings was a disaster for Tgstation.
Lings murderboneing via hand tele traps, chem bullshit along with dlaming the SM and many others is not very interesting and ends up leading to rounds where a gang of lings kill the whole crew.
If lings became allowed to say fuck because of ...

I'm lazy as shit but here are the game logs that would have been shown:

04:46:09 GAME Demir pl/(Alison Wayt) (mob_3355) triggered and Android in crew/(James Ningle) confirmed event Bluespace Artillery Unlock. (143, 79, 2) Chief Medical Officer's Office
04:47:21 GAME Explosion with size (3, 6, 12 ...

I've been meaning to try drafting up templates that people could use.

The sorts of points and questions in them would hopefully help people to distinguish if something is very viable as a policy proposal/ discussion.

But then again: how much is this is an actual problem?

I've had the same gripe with this for like forever: its insanely difficult to moderate and have people hold each other accountable about. Its the same as aliens and heretics.

TG is just super super busy and not everyone is going to be on the same wavelength of roleplay expectations out of each ...

I edited my post above like ten times since posting it.

I will agree that regular criminal behavior tends to get ignored. On some other servers this isn't an issue. I'll have to think about my experience on them and why that specifically is the case. For some I know that job bans happen, and others have SOP that people actually use, etc. But there has to ...

Maybe a little off topic but someone so much as saying a player is head rev fnr gives me brain warts. It doesn't just have to be someone flashing people. This could be extended to anything implicating someone is an antag fnr in reality.

It's going to alter the trajectory of the round, and it's ...

To be clear, the terms 'LRP', 'MRP', etc are not in the rules and are not accurate descriptors of anything, they are meaningless nonsense, up until someone can point at them in the TG ruleset and tell us all exactly what they mean in the rules (Spoiler: you won't find it). Kindly stop using them ...

Idk mang I just see this all as a two way street. There is a balance there somewhere and both sides can be wrong at the same time about this sort of thing.

Iunno if we need ban the practice outright, just keep admins up to date on common bad trades and at least investigating the reason for the trade before agreeing.

Bingo.

Encourage or create something that outlines or reinforces better practices and red flags, rather than killing the function ...

Am I the only one sitting here focusing on the concept that if someone is that glued to a gimmick or strat that literally everyone can just expect it that they might need to mix things up a bit?

Yeah just figured I'd try to nudge at it. It'd be a good way of historically ensuring quality with it if it included things like graphs from run simulations and then could continue to.

Dynamic changes are not quite the same as config changes.

It might be nice to have this all put into it's own unique thread if it were to happen.

Birdshot is designed to be a deathtrap , a mess, and an absolute shithole. That was ALWAYS the point. It OOZES soul.

Is that the only reason people want it gone?

I'm all for consolidating and condensing this rule as well if we can start brainstorming a possible solution.

this rule was written specifically by the headmin term that added it to be unenforceable to shut up people asking for the roleplaying rule to be re-added

You're going to need to backup ...

Every so often the change comes! It's time!

I will state for the record that the incoming headmin term also contributed to and were involved the creation of this rule and were involved in the process of making it with their feedback, concerns, and questions as a round table of the six of us after being something the current term discussed and ...

You have no standing nor any entitlement to any information that we have regardless of the situation.

None of the information used to come to the actual conclusion is related to GDPR either for that matter, or more importantly any other personal information acts currently in effect around the globe ...

If someone is using this feature in bad faith to circumvent the rules instead of making for funny, cool, interesting, or otherwise routine and classical ss13 moments then they know exactly what they are doing. There isn't any room for the benefit of the doubt here unless they just don't know the ...

You certainly aren't the brightest bulb in the box, are you?

The following has been added to the admin conduct page regarding the modification of notes and bans :

Do not modify non-secret notes/bans outside of appeals unless it either benefits the player in question or you are correcting an error within [24hr] of it being placed.
Each new incident must ...

We are closing this one based on the resolution brought forwards in the following thread:

viewtopic.php?f=33&t=34921

The following has been added to admin conduct regarding rule 9 and underage bans:

Bring all underage accusations made either by players or admins directly to the current head admin team to investigate.

The rule primarily exists to prevent metagrudging. We collectively don't want to see people running around talking about how 'Bob Bobson is always a traitor so we might as well search like them always'.

If someone wants to RP that they were in a cult thats fine and dandy but they open themselves up ...

Why are the people doing this that obsessed with winning and having the winning edge at the expense of others fun?

That might be a better question to be asking.

Being a dickhead with the only justification being 'I want to win' sucks.

I will say that Rex did take the time to gather some info on this to come to the conclusion, and we're hoping to kind of think tank this collectively and have it be an incentive to figure out and publicize some of the strange things that we ran into.

Such as this graph gore:

https://media ...

What if there was wizard but instead of magic he had science like instead of freeze traps he had a freeze ray and instead of a fire ball he had a heat ray. Am I cooking

https://wiki.aurorastation.org/index.php?title=Technomancer

I came to this thread intending to post exactly this you ...

While you may not be making a complaint directly about the ban itself:

Admin's banning conduct can not be the subject of an admin complaint. That is what appeals are for, and the appeal leading to the ban being overturn is the minimum bar required before a complaint can be filed that references ...

TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 4:17 am if you get bwoinked over a brain damage related phrase you have my express permission to bully the admin.

This is it really.

Being autistic is not in any way shape or form an excuse for acting like this, things like it or disabilities do not become blanket excuses for things, it doesn't matter what 'character' you think you are playing. You will not behave this way on the servers, nor will anyone else. Period.

This ban was placed for actions in round: R213806

What do you actually intend to accomplish by pointing out the activity of a gamemaster? Or was the intention just being spiteful? Please stay on course with the facts that actually matter in your appeal. Whatever that is, it provides absolutely ...

If someone does this to screw others over in valued situations like a carded AI or getting turned into a cultist they are already opening the door to getting a bwoink jump scare.

Also suicides specific to items are funny and I refuse to see the value in them being discarded just because Perry ...

What is the exact complaint with this one?

An expectation that Ned must look into this because it was ahelped (And very well may have known the status of things to begin with), or an expectation that Ned must provide a particular customer service centric response?

The goalpost has shifted here ...

We aren't upholding this one.

Please take the time to consider how you got into this situation.

viewtopic.php?p=619336#p619336

Please see the above in the rules for making admin complaints.

Complaints regarding appeals conduct are only valid if an appeal is successful. Your appeal was not, complaint denied.

Your definition of cancer isn't something we are interested in. If you aren't interested in respecting people's livelihoods we aren't interested in entertaining you and yours.

While it may have been a sincere question you yourself stated you would have have disconnected if we were supportive of ...

if you have legitimate reason to apprehend someone and theyve made it impossible to apprehend them just beat the shit out of them then heal them when you're at the brig

Yeah pretty much this. If they made themselves impossible to detain normally, they can't get mad when they get detained via ...

If it pisses off an admin enough and they think you're gaining some tangible benefit from persistent across-shift friendships, yeah for sure it's against the rules. It's not even an MRP thing, LRP cliques occasionally get busted for this sort of grouping as well, but it caused less issues ...

Due to an otter this world performance Kinnebian has been promoted to Game Admin.

And with Timbers drafted response being posted:

None of the other headmins have even the slightest interest in defending you on this one, agree with me, and have greenlit this closing post and agree with my previous one.

This was a warning so that you can fix your shit. WE advise that you do so ...

I've let this one stew for a moment.

I don't expect you to like the rules, but I do expect you to comply with them.

I'm not interested in you moving the goalposts here either jumping to things like 'well it didn't offend anyone'.
I'm not interested playing any games with you about this in the ...

I feel like it's antithetical to the spirit of the game. You can't spend literally all day of your work shift glued next to your bestie, right? So why would you expect that you could in a game about RPing working somewhere?

I don't see a problem with it every once in a while, but if you're ...

Lacran wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:32 pm Is this still happening?

Yeah we are getting very close with it actually. Things are drafted, I'm just considering ways to tidy up what we have and considering other servers, and making sure I've actually played enough of other servers to know how their things impact stuff.

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