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Yeah, sorry about that, you should be good now.

Try it now?

Okay, you should be unbanned. Please let me know if you have any trouble connecting.

I'm definitely ready to show you and myself that I've changed. I know that I have, so I guarantee you that there'll be no occasion where an admin needs to step in to admonish me. I'm ready to come back.

Alright, I'll hold you to that.

Which account did you want me to unban? Manadeel isn't ...

Okay, given that, I'll make a point before we proceed: Your behavior before you left was beyond unacceptable. I think a lot of people would lose no sleep over telling you to go pound sand. I would rather chance getting a good, consistent player out of you and just ban you again if you continue being ...

Alright, sounds fine to me.

I'm willing to give you another shot, but we do have a complication: You are currently blacklisted.

If I recall correctly, it has something to do with the following based on a ban note from /vg/station:

[17:17:23] hey guys, here's a ckey for you to ban ...

Okay, thanks.

Have you played in any significant capacity on any other servers recently?

I need you to give me a list of every account that you've made to evade your ban on our servers.

Hey gamer, thanks for appealing.

This is an oooooold one, and admittedly my ban note wasn't great. If I recall correctly (and based on what I was able to piece together via notes), you were originally banned for just being an extremely low-quality player. Anything from revealing roundtype in OOC to ...

if we put every word we don't like to see onto a hard filter, we're not going to be able to filter the people who would unabashedly use those words out as effectively.

This is honestly my biggest reason for not wanting to block it, but I also don't care enough that if the headmins decided to ...

Part of me agrees, but part of me also acknowledges that there's valid reasons to use the word from time to time and another third part of me thinks it should stay because it's a good trap for the kind of person who gets really fucking mad at us for telling them they can't make rape jokes ...

Part of me agrees, but part of me also acknowledges that there's valid reasons to use the word from time to time and another third part of me thinks it should stay because it's a good trap for the kind of person who gets really fucking mad at us for telling them they can't make rape jokes.

I understand the desire to have a completely clean record, but having a single note isn't a problem here. Many of the admins do. I had a run of bans early in my history on /tg/ for crashing out in OOC over dying. Just keep doing what you're doing now and everything will be fine.

Okay, thanks ...

Hello, I appreciate you coming to appeal this decision.

I'll respond to both of your points in order and then give my personal insight at the end.

1. The ban/note is not against the rules: I placed the note because I consider walking up to a guillotine and firing it off without actually having any ...

We already generally allow the crew to overthrow the command structure if they're acting like shitheads. You just need to be certain whatever they're doing is bad enough to warrant it.

If you're not certain if this is something you should be doing or not, adminhelp before doing it.

An assistant cap sure sounds like a good way to prevent new players from having an opportunity to ease themselves into the game.

If this was actually the concern, we would have implemented the reverse time lock that I suggested years ago, where only players with fewer than 100 hours could play ...

As is per tradition, here's our once-per-term thread on whether or not to have rainbow jumpsuits for assistants.

Do it. You know you want to. Embrace the chaos.

Dootdoom wrote: ↑Sun Apr 13, 2025 11:56 pm Thank you for this opportunity Vekter, I'll be sure to hold myself to my word here.
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Also not quite sure what you mean by modifying my alts ban.

I'm making it so your ban on your alt doesn't prevent you from playing here.

I hear you.

I'm going to go ahead and accept this appeal, but I want you to understand something: I recall having very many poor interactions with you in the past. Enough that I wouldn't normally consider unbanning you without some significant faith that you'd be able to improve your gameplay.

I'm ...

Thanks for answering those questions.

May I ask what brings you back to SS13? You mentioned moving past it, so I'm curious as to what made you want to return.

Hello Doot, Exavere retired a while back so I'll take this one. I have a few questions for you before proceeding:

I recall you having a very significant history of issues over the years. Can you tell me why we should believe that things have changed in the last 4 years?

Given that your ban ...

It's important to understand that most maps are designed with an extra spot for each job to accommodate for promotions/transfers. This is something we can definitely do (and I do support it, especially if we're limiting Assistant slots on Manuel) but we need to keep in mind that it could cause some ...

Again, I want to be respectful here, but this feels more like you putting your own beliefs and opinions into things as opposed to objective fact. I feel like you're making a pretty broad extrapolation to go from "We let someone have a mononym because they had an interesting RP reason for it" to ...

I think that we're generally in agreement on the concern here - we're worried about players who tend to act like the main character of the round and try to solve every problem, but is this going to actually help prevent that? Does this do what you and Ned say it does?

That's what I meant with ...

I should temper my arguments; I don't want to completely remove individuality, but we desperately need to cut down on issues stemming from main character syndrome. Name policy exceptions is a great place to start.

I don't disagree, but we should be careful that we're not actively stifling ...

threatens most individuality in the game.

Good. This is a collaborative roleplaying game.

Yes, but having everyone be Normal Spongebob all the time is boring and removes a lot of what makes the game unique to me. It's those differences that give rounds spice. I agree that "main character ...

They're stupid and I hate seeing them in ahelps shared to adminbus.

But for real, names like this foster an attitude that everyone is the most specialest, unique snowflake on the station; that they are the protagonist with the ability to decide not only their fate but the fate of the entire round ...

Yeah no, I think naming policy is fine now. Two reasons:

1) I feel like we should be rewarding players who come up with reasons for having unique names. I agree with the idea that someone who just names themselves "Butts" and says "lol idk I just think it's funny" should be forced to change their ...

I just don't know if this has a solution that's not policy related, and I feel like most of the policy already empowers us to handle it when it actually becomes a problem.

I don't really have that big of an issue with people pointing at things. It's when they do it and don't interact with anyone ...

If you notice a trend of someone just running around doing nothing but speaking in single words and pointing at things, I would consider that below our bare minimum for RP requirements and would ask you to ahelp it. Would need to be an active trend for us to do anything about it, but we've talked to ...

People having to click "yes I meant it" to post totally acceptable usages of a not terribly uncommon and normal word is a significantly bigger problem than having to get over a feeling of guilt about notifying admins that someone is breaking the rules, I am afraid.

I'd rather suck up my ...

You should add things to the filter if there’s no real use case (like the n word or other obvious cases of OOC-IC). Chat has other uses so it should not be added to the filter, but rather admins should be enforcing bad use cases (400000+ strong team btw)

Also i dunno if this is just doompilled ...

I'm with Timber on this one, feel free to ahelp if you see anyone but the clown or a broadcaster curator using it

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I think this is something worth bringing up at a community meeting so everyone can get on the same page and players can provide each other with casual correction and/or know that ...

Yeah but you see 50% of the time the report just straight up lies aswell so your practically already gambling on information that already exists, it could say black orbit when its easily a greenshift or close to it so why would it be any different?

Isn't that no longer the case as of this PR ...

Just letting you know that I notified the Discord Jannies about your appeal.

Chaos Shuffle is fine. I'm pretty against any of the special modes sticking around because it splits the playerbase too much for it to be permanent, but I'm fine with them coming back from time to time just for fun.

No Mither probably shouldn't be available though.

[*]Implement quirk bans in the database so people can get paxed or blinded as an additional step before perma. This adds another layer of correction without immediately resorting to game bans.

Isn't this code territory? Do we have the framework to even place such bans?

It's a little of ...

I did not say "we should copy and paste MRP ruleset onto Terry"

So true, you only said "we should copy and paste a central difference between the LRP and the MRP rulesets, which is limited escalation against antags, onto Terry" :roll:

Yup, that's definitely exactly what I said

Please stop ...

This is, quite possibly, the worst policy proposal I have ever read.
Nobody will want to play security after this. Terry would be doomed to exist with no security officers, forever.

I like this change, but I worry about it if there isn't also a change to limit the lethality of antags on LRP ...

I like this change, but I worry about it if there isn't also a change to limit the lethality of antags on LRP.

As it was for the last few times they've ran, I'm putting my endorsement towards Rave. They've done an exceptional job in the past and I have a lot of respect for them in general. I think a vote for Rave is a vote for a more reasonable, enjoyable server for all.

At least having a manufactured, ICly agreed upon reason to start a conflict gives other players an on-ramp to believe and engage with your rampant skirmishing.

This is correct, but I feel like people who are doing this nearly every round are as much of a concern because it still has that same ...

Time and place are important. We are not a single player server and people killing eachother just because it's a game degrades the global roleplay environment other players exist in.

I think this is my main stance on the matter in general. I'm a little worried about the potential of players ...

Thread slowly but surely inching closer to being Old Yellered.

Does this also include shove fights that happen in the halls when players are goofing off? also its hard to tell if it is a spontaneous brawl because two players are very likeminded, or they are actually just metafriends. how do you codify it anyway?

I think the targeted behavior is people ...

Inb4 rebrand Sybil and see what happens.

That sounds like it would ruffle feathers of people who love LRP Sybil. Wouldn't want to encroach on something like that.

Yeah, we wouldn't want to upset the 5 of them that are left.

Jokes aside, I feel like we should stand up Sybil again and see ...

Might be a good time to stand Sybil back up and let folks use that for overflow?

Hey, just letting you know I've notified the head admins and forum jannies about this. I imagine they're going to want to chat a bit so I can't promise you a turnaround time, but it'll get handled.

In general, I agree with Timber here - I don't know that new policy is required to handle these issues. It happens a lot with purged AIs because plasma flooding is one of the only things an antag AI can do to impact the entire station in a short amount of time.

It may be worth reverting the change ...

That sounds reasonable, but is the idea that we would sometimes give slaps on the wrist if it was obvious someone was telling a poorly-advised joke and not doubling down on it? Because I'm definitely cool with that.

The only instance where someone should be getting yote on-sight permanently for a ...

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