/tg/Station 13

>Declare war
>Crew sells everything on the station and orders so many shotguns every grayshit has 2 shotguns inhand and one on their back
>shielded hardsuits mean nothing against 5 pellets negating your shield
>They have so many weapons and so much ammo its pointless

Why the fuck is recoil not a thing for shotguns?



War is literally the worst thing operatives can do and other ops are at the mercy of their retarded team leader. Every op being in a mauler wouldn't have any hope against the shotgun toting assistant hoards.


In other words...

War... war has changed.

Turns out you can't buy immunity from everything! Hit from long range or try bombs or hit-and-run tactics.

OPs are still forgetting that war or no war their objective is still always "get that fukkin disk." I know they don't know this because every op, without fail, will go to the 4 winds on their own, get assblasted and then whine in deadchat about how bad every other op is. None of these ops will ever approach the captain or even glance at their pinpointers. There's crew with guns you have to fight and that's more important than getting the mission done, for some reason.

Stop trying to brawl a 50+ crew station with 5 dudes and start operating.

I think defeating war ops is currently a bit too easy.

Perhaps lowering the delay between the war decleration and the ops arriving on the station a bit would help?

Warops are still scary as fuck, they just need to be smart.

I would advise getting elite hardsuits over shielded ones and just pack adrenals for the occasional stun.

Elite Suit = 60% bullet protection

Shielded Suit = 15% bullet protection

With syndie medborgs only costing 25 and having a pretty robust kit, its absolutely criminal if you don't bring at least 2 along with an assault borg. I cant stress how important it is to get extra player-controlled teammates at a low cost. I struggle to think of reasons for people to take reinforcements over another medborg. Ops should also avoid point sinks like the LMG and just focus on tried and true tactics.

I hate combat shotguns still but of all the people who can complain about them, I think warops have the least compelling argument.

Shielded Hardsuit is a new player trap, I'm honestly half tempted to remove it, though it has a viable usage in non-War Ops scenarios.

War Ops do need to play the objective, but they should take advantage of their expanded arsenal to do so.

Just because you now can buy a lot more expensive guns, doesn't mean you can get away with running in solo.

Shielded suits useless?

LMAO, those things allow you to kite indefinitely.

Cargo being able to order unlimited shotguns is pretty stupid though.

Kor wrote:Cargo being able to order unlimited shotguns is pretty stupid though.

Especially when shotguns are pretty much the best weapon available in the game(that you can get normally in a round).

And also the most used excuse for keeping double eswords

XDTM wrote:And also the most used excuse for keeping double eswords

Are they good against ballistics?

How about being able to buy BSA strikes on station areas for a modest cost.

You get the option between cargo, RnD, Medbay and Bridge. Where it hits is random, but contained between those areas.

D&B wrote:How about being able to buy BSA strikes on station areas for a modest cost.

You get the option between cargo, RnD, Medbay and Bridge. Where it hits is random, but contained between those areas.

You know or send one guy in the Ops drop pod immediately into cargo, drop a bomb onto the other console, then escape into space to get picked up while the rest of the team is still arming.

Kor wrote:Cargo being able to order unlimited shotguns is pretty stupid though.

Exports were a MISTAKE, stocks are THE FUTURE

Can't we go back to the glory days of communism?

Saegrimr wrote:

D&B wrote:How about being able to buy BSA strikes on station areas for a modest cost.

You get the option between cargo, RnD, Medbay and Bridge. Where it hits is random, but contained between those areas.

You know or send one guy in the Ops drop pod immediately into cargo, drop a bomb onto the other console, then escape into space to get picked up while the rest of the team is still arming.

You can't send the pod until 20 minutes.

What if War Ops added a few more team members for free, scaled by station pop? They would be full members with their own uplinks like the default 5.

How about a tc purchase that hijacks all combat shotgun purchases and redirects them to the operatives?

Haha

Or in all seriousness tc purchase to have a syndie crew hijack the cargo shuttle for like 5-10 minutes

Saegrimr wrote:

D&B wrote:How about being able to buy BSA strikes on station areas for a modest cost.

You get the option between cargo, RnD, Medbay and Bridge. Where it hits is random, but contained between those areas.

You know or send one guy in the Ops drop pod immediately into cargo, drop a bomb onto the other console, then escape into space to get picked up while the rest of the team is still arming.

Can't do that starfox gotta wait 20 minutes to launch the ship

Bombadil wrote:

Saegrimr wrote:

D&B wrote:How about being able to buy BSA strikes on station areas for a modest cost.

You get the option between cargo, RnD, Medbay and Bridge. Where it hits is random, but contained between those areas.

You know or send one guy in the Ops drop pod immediately into cargo, drop a bomb onto the other console, then escape into space to get picked up while the rest of the team is still arming.

Can't do that starfox gotta wait 20 minutes to launch the ship

Wait seriously? Including the pod? Is that a War Ops only thing?

Add a special item that allows ops to board the cargo ship and invade from cargo

Saegrimr wrote:

Bombadil wrote:

Saegrimr wrote:

D&B wrote:How about being able to buy BSA strikes on station areas for a modest cost.

You get the option between cargo, RnD, Medbay and Bridge. Where it hits is random, but contained between those areas.

You know or send one guy in the Ops drop pod immediately into cargo, drop a bomb onto the other console, then escape into space to get picked up while the rest of the team is still arming.

Can't do that starfox gotta wait 20 minutes to launch the ship

Wait seriously? Including the pod? Is that a War Ops only thing?

Gotta make the OPs wait so the crew has 20 minutes to rush mechs and cargo before they can arrive. Its not fair unless every assistant is carrying a dozen explosive lances.

Why not just trial removing the launch restriction? The station will still have a heads up the ops are coming which is pretty huge in and of itself

Wait, wait, wait. Hold up. Hear me out. Hold up.
Maybe we could just
You know
Not declare war

Wyzack wrote:Why not just trial removing the launch restriction? The station will still have a heads up the ops are coming which is pretty huge in and of itself

That's what I was thinking. I don't know that the station really needs 20 minutes to churn out the mechs and shit to match the ops when they already out manpower them.

Yeah
I think either trial removing the launch restriction entirely or lowering it drastically

Hearing that the ops are coming still gives you a chance to put the disk into a cheese wheel and put that cheese wheel into a backpack full of other cheese wheels before fortifying the captain with the whole crew around him

shields suck, buy elite

Wyzack wrote:Hearing that the ops are coming still gives you a chance to put the disk into a cheese wheel and put that cheese wheel into a backpack full of other cheese wheels before fortifying the captain with the whole crew around him

Don't forget to deepfry it every step for maximum protection.

lzimann wrote:

Wyzack wrote:Hearing that the ops are coming still gives you a chance to put the disk into a cheese wheel and put that cheese wheel into a backpack full of other cheese wheels before fortifying the captain with the whole crew around him

Don't forget to deepfry it every step for maximum protection.

We just said we're planning on reducing the timer.

I have yet to lose as awperative, the SMG after you buy an ammo bag is incredibly effective. If you keep getting meatshot by chucklefucks with shotguns follow these tips:

1: Shoot them
2: Rush the disk faster
3: Git gud

What did nukies expect? if you declare warops on a station with more than 30 pop you will lose no matter what weapons they have

ha. is this about the round last night?

because i was the QM, sorry mining and I got shit done

Doctor Pork wrote:ha. is this about the round last night?

because i was the QM, sorry mining and I got shit done

No, this is about every round with war ops. War ops always lose. They are outnumbered and outgeared.

InsaneHyena wrote:

Doctor Pork wrote:ha. is this about the round last night?

because i was the QM, sorry mining and I got shit done

No, this is about every round with war ops. War ops always lose. They are outnumbered and outgeared.

i mean yeah, thats the tradeoff

Maybe the pay off for war declaration is just too small?

>Outnumbered and outgeared

Outnumbered I'll give you but I once tore through five of the crew's most robust as war awp without taking a hit, awp gear is infinitely better than the stuff the crew can scrape together, you just have to get good.

D&B wrote:How about being able to buy BSA strikes on station areas for a modest cost.

You get the option between cargo, RnD, Medbay and Bridge. Where it hits is random, but contained between those areas.

I posted an idea a while back for alternative ships the ops could order, one of them was a battle cruiser that would have a Bluespace mortar that would operate on the same math shit telescience uses. Basically an op could coordinate with another op on the ship to designate targets and using the magical powers of math shell the shit out of the area.

Why not have deployable beacons for arty strikes a la CM?

Incomptinence wrote:Maybe the pay off for war declaration is just too small?

Nope. Unless one person wastes a bunch of the group's points most warops are still sitting there just blowing TC's on silly stuff because there's a limit to how robust you can get from nukeop gear.

Given that we're regularly seeing highpop numbers that weren't possible a couple years ago, I think that scaling the ops up to 6 or even 7 makes sense though.

telecrystals can be exchanged for borgs and operatives!

Could include a cargo-blockade in the declaration, make it not possible to buy new shotguns (or new anything), if you're declaring war on something you don't want it to get more resources/equipment.

Remie Richards wrote:Could include a cargo-blockade in the declaration, make it not possible to buy new shotguns (or new anything), if you're declaring war on something you don't want it to get more resources/equipment.

That's pretty solid.

I thought war ops was just "lol time to TDM", hence why no one wins because the ability to shoot 'just one more assistant' is too tempting than actually playing the objective.

Remie Richards wrote:Could include a cargo-blockade in the declaration, make it not possible to buy new shotguns (or new anything), if you're declaring war on something you don't want it to get more resources/equipment.

I fail to see how forcing the crew to bank their entire loadout on R&D being done and miners showing up improves the game. Nukers get a fuckload of equipment, the crew has 20 minutes to pray that the miners work fast? Not very fun.

ShadowDimentio wrote:

Remie Richards wrote:Could include a cargo-blockade in the declaration, make it not possible to buy new shotguns (or new anything), if you're declaring war on something you don't want it to get more resources/equipment.

I fail to see how forcing the crew to bank their entire loadout on R&D being done and miners showing up improves the game. Nukers get a fuckload of equipment, the crew has 20 minutes to pray that the miners work fast? Not very fun.

Implying ops don't get swarmed by 30 assistants with explosive lances anyway.

I had that happen once, it was hilarious and nearly killed me.

Still nuked the station though.

Shotguns need an actual damage nerf on the pellets anyway.

3 shots from one-two tiles away will down a fully shielded healthed nukeop

Just introduce scaling damage from a shotgun blast.

Make it that pellets that spread out start with maximum damage within two tiles of firing, and they quickly scale down in damage so at five tiles your dealing very minimal damage.

That or make shotguns much harder and expensive to get access to. I don't mind there being strong weapons on station, only so long as access to them is restricted.

Reminds me of how Goon lasers can two shot crit/kill unarmoured people.