/tg/Station 13

https://github.com/Endless-Horizon/CEV-Eris

it has... MULTIPLE Z-AXIS LEVELS!!!!!!!!! (look at the picture below)
where if you JUMP OFF OF THE RAILING YOU FALL ON YOUR FACE AND CAN SHATTER YOUR BONES OR WHATEVER
and... THE FORBIDDEN 3/4ths PERSPECTIVE OVERHAUL (mostly)
and... LATE-2014-LEVEL RESPONSIVENESS WITH 2012-LEVEL FRAMERATE
and... REALLY GOOD SOUND DESIGN (that maint ambiance hnnng) AND LIGHTING HOLY FUCK



i explored it for a bit on a local hosted thingy for about a half hour. ITS REALLY COOL

[youtube]LrPnY6p--2Y[/youtube]
(watch at least a minute and a half in, you'll see the z-layer transition thing (when i walk up the stairs you can see the spooky cryo tubes downstairs) and hear the spooky maint ambiance and see the spooky maint lighting and the terrifying ladders and stuff) (also if yo ukeep watching you'll see stuff like botany which looks super cool i stumble into it at about 4:05)

its a feast, visually and audio wise

It's a shame the fanciest things there are the most taxing.

It's a shame the russians are communists and we have to fight them

Looks nice but could it really handle our pop?

Are multiple levels on the Z axis effected by bombs, and is atmos able to flow between them?

Remember when we had a ladder in arrivals shuttle leading to sleeping quarters? Voila, z level.

I am a russian and this thread offends me

Looks visually and audibly stunning, really well done, especially by byond standards.

>when steelpoint misses what the boxes look like on the russian server

hehe

If the code is availible could we run it on server 3 for a while?

That's pretty great. Damn.

Wyzack wrote:If the code is availible could we run it on server 3 for a while?

run this

Owegno wrote:Are multiple levels on the Z axis effected by bombs, and is atmos able to flow between them?

i couldnt test this because i fucked up putting ymself in the admins.txt i'll see if i can try again now

Looks and sounds great, too bad it plays like fucking molasses. I'd kill for the lighting system tho.

do want

there is a lot to take from this

it's gorgeous but the framerate is pissing me off

If we're compiling with 511 we can just put client.fps = 30/60 in the defines

I'd be totally onboard with this if there was a way to see things ABOVE you, currently looks like you can only look below.

Perhaps if there was a button you can click that 'shifts' your view up one z-level so you can see what's above you.

If we had multiple z-levels I can easily see us reworking the station to move more of maintenance downstairs and to open up areas of the station to see the bottom floor, and have a few areas be elevated up.

There's really not a good way to do looking up
lifeweb just had a "look up" button that shifted your view one level above you. Not great, but that's all you can really do

I mean I don't look at the ceiling often, that makes sense.

on todays episode of MYSTERIOUS RUSSIAN STATION EXPLORER:
- see if i got admin mode to work
- do some exploring in a not-powerless station so you can see some 3/4ths sprites in full lighting
- i wanna try stepping into their spooky orange space
- see how z-layers work with atmos
- drop some bombs and see how z-layers react

coming: maybe like in an hour! stay tuned

PKPenguin321 wrote:on todays episode of MYSTERIOUS RUSSIAN STATION EXPLORER:
- see if i got admin mode to work
- do some exploring in a not-powerless station so you can see some 3/4ths sprites in full lighting
- i wanna try stepping into their spooky orange space
- see how z-layers work with atmos
- drop some bombs and see how z-layers react

coming: maybe like in an hour! stay tuned

nevermind it will be delayed baycode is too hard for me and i cant into admins.txt

EDIT: I GOT IT TO WORK NEW EPISODE IS VERY NEAR DONE

So what was wrong with it?

Jordie0608 wrote:So what was wrong with it?

they have all the files that are supposed to be in config another folder down in config/example for some reason

Wish I could get it to work, moved the configs to the right area but it can't connect to some database or something.

[youtube]F6mDcePDxsM[/youtube]

what i gathered that you can observe in this video:
- not sure how z transitions work in space, despite my attempt. will maybe come back to try again later
- bombs appear to damage the upper/lower z-layers (much more minimal damage compared to the layer they're detonated on, though)
- air pressure appears to drain through z-layer holes left by bombs, but not through stairs or ladders
- bombs leave z-layer holes that you can fall through to the next lower z-layer. if you're at the bottom z-layer, then they act like normal, making breaches to space
- as i already said, atmos doesnt seem to transition through stairs, as seen when i ignite the plasma fire.

bonus:
- lasers and eswords are deadly af but that's probably just baycode memes
- the lobby music put a copyright claim on my video
- the lobby announcer ("welcome to space station 13") is different sounding and kinda neat
- codebase is pretty laggy, i was starting to seriously feel it around the second or third big bomb

notable timestamps:
- i enter space at 11:15
- i start a plasma leak at about 13:16
- i light the plasma on fire at about 15:05
- i start playing with bombs at about 20:05
- really cool bomb that sucks medkits across space and into a lower z-layer at 21:58
i kinda self narrate with in game chat and OOC throughout the video though so if you wanna just tag along and explore with me stick around for the half hour

On the weapons issue, bay code (and I think goon) make their weapons incredibly powerful but they have balancing mechanics to reduce the power of the weapons. Bay more on the roleplay and goon for armour being really bloody good for defence.

E: I like how many actions have unique sounds, such as opening exterior windows or withdrawing items from the SSU. Very well done, we should steal their sounds.

One problem with the map is that it seems very confusing and convoluted, many departments are stretched accross three or even more z-levels and there's little sense of a 'primary' hallway, there's one that barely qualifies on third level but even then.

Yeah I definitely got lost multiple times, I think either the map is just kinda not well thought out or I'm just not used to it

I look around as a ghost near the end and you can see a couple of really badass super secret maint areas that are made possible by cleverly placed rails and ladders so in that regard a complicated map is pretty cool

Its pretty complex, just take a gander at the map in dreamseeker.

Makes me wonder how we would handle a multi-z level map. Perhaps the best way would be to keep the departments where they are but to move areas of the departments above and below each other.

Edit: I don't know if its just for this russian codebase or if its a bay thing, but man are all the weapon sounds sexy, from firing to reloading to removing a bullet from a magazine.

A multi-Z-level station would just look like Citadel Station or the Von Braun in System Shock 1 and 2. Every Z-level is a named deck containing one or more departments.

We even already have murderous robots, an insane AI and asshole monkeys; it'd be the perfect Von Braun.

While its getting way ahead of ourselves, but a Citadel Station would be a interesting design.

While the actual real station has about ten levels to it, we would have to condense that into five levels. So if you want to remain mostly faithful to the original design, then the order would be...

• Level 1 - Engine/Maintenance
• Level 2 - Medical/Research
• Level 3 - Cargo/Civilian Sector
• Level 4 - Engineering/Atmo/Security
• Level 5 - Security/Command

I think 3 is the max we should go with, for the sake of our poor navigatory brains.

Two functional floors and a maint floor.

I could see that work, with the maint floor as the center floor.

Top Deck - Command, Security, Civilian
Maintenance Deck - Engineering, Atmospherics, Maintenance Tunnels
Bottom Deck - Medical, Science

Or the other way around. Although this way you can have a grand central hall where the higher floors look down on the lower floors, and you can put the Bridge at the very top of it.

why tf would you put the paramedics all the way at the bottom lmao

That's if your making a Citadel Station look alike.

But more logically you would invert it a bit so Engineering/Atmo/Maint is on the bottom, Med/Sci are in the middle and Sec/Command are on the top. Likely with some parts of the areas being on two levels. Such as having the prison wing on the second level so the Warden can sit in a chair overlooking the prison cells from above.

Ricotez wrote:I could see that work, with the maint floor as the center floor.

Top Deck - Command, Security, Civilian
Maintenance Deck - Engineering, Atmospherics, Maintenance Tunnels
Bottom Deck - Medical, Science

I was thinking it'd be the bottom actually, with a smaller maintenance (connected to the main one) on the second floor (to service the top floor)
But middle, sprawling out like veins could work.

Should host it on the third server, just to see how amusing it is when everyone gets lost on the station, and how fast it crashes.

This is the coolest shit ever and I'm super happy you discovered it PK. For some reason russian developers are really good at creating atmosphere through sound effects, limb damage and pain, and multiple z-levels..



(how do I put images in my post properly? I forgot due to brain tumor)

The Russian is an Asiatic, after all.
Doing crazy complex shit is in their blood.

confused rock wrote:why tf would you put the paramedics all the way at the bottom lmao

Its SS13. If you get hurt on the top floor, get someone to throw you to the bottom floor and the medics can scrape your remains off the floor.

porting things when

Doctor Pork wrote:porting things when

When we can find somebody who reads Russian code.

Don't forget fireman poles.

Dammit, where did I put the poledancing raptor gif.

Do we want Multi-z stations?