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Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:15 pm**

So I went on goon to check it out and I just wanted to put up some of my thoughts and see what you guys think.

TG pros/Goon cons
* TG has soooo much more options for traitors and ops. Goon doesn't have mechs, viscerator grenades, syndie borgs, etc. When you become an operative on TG you have a million ways you can go about doing things. On Goon it's either pure stealth or just boring guns.

* Mechs in general

* TG just looks better. It's interface is much better and the spriting is pretty good.

* Goons DWAINE terminals are a bit unwieldy. They can be fun to use if you're doing science or something because they make you feel like swordfish hackerman but having to enter commands just to call the shuttle is stupid

* More antags. TG has 2 cults, traitors, ops, blobs, changelings, abductors, morphs, ash walkers, and devils. Goon doesnt.

* More fleshed out wizards with more spells and abilities

* Ian

Shit we should steal

* Pods. Flying around in a tricked out space tractor is fun and fun things are good.

* The Adventure Zone. It's actually pretty fun. Especially for someone on their first time through. It also gives a sense of adventure to the game. We could probably do this by just turning the gateway back on.

* Star stickers. There is nothing more liberating as captain than stripping naked and walking around the station coated from head to toe with gold star stickers glimmering like a fucking sun.

* The critter gauntlet. Combat is fun but if your not an antag it will be A. Consisting of shoving matches with assistants or B. A .5 second brawl with an antag who is 200x better equipped than you.

Let me know what you think.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:19 pm**

Gateway is pretty much a no no unfortunately, won't go in depth in this post why. However, does goon have lavaland? I feel like there's potential in making lavaland more of an adventure zone. I could be totally wrong since I don't play goon but yeah.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:23 pm**

PKPenguin321 wrote:Gateway is pretty much a no no unfortunately, won't go in depth in this post why. However, does goon have lavaland? I feel like there's potential in making lavaland more of an adventure zone. I could be totally wrong since I don't play goon but yeah.

No it doesnt. Goon mining is weird. You basically have a 20×20 square in which you can teleport asteroids to mine.

Where can I find about why portals were removed? I heard it had something to do with power gaming but I want to learn the details.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:28 pm**

scrubs2009 wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:~

No it doesnt. Goon mining is weird. You basically have a 20×20 square in which you can teleport asteroids to mine.

Where can I find about why portals were removed? I heard it had something to do with power gaming but I want to learn the details.

The gateway wasn't removed, but away missions were disabled on tg, other servers still have them enabled.

You can probably dig up an old PR or forum thread about it if you'd like, but I think the general idea was that the away missions were all basically "solved" in that people would just cheese them and grab the loot as fast as possible every round, and that they were just generally used to powergame instead of making the round any more interesting.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:35 pm**

TribeOfBeavers wrote:
scrubs2009 wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:~

No it doesnt. Goon mining is weird. You basically have a 20×20 square in which you can teleport asteroids to mine.

Where can I find about why portals were removed? I heard it had something to do with power gaming but I want to learn the details.
The gateway wasn't removed, but away missions were disabled on tg, other servers still have them enabled.

You can probably dig up an old PR or forum thread about it if you'd like, but I think the general idea was that the away missions were all basically "solved" in that people would just cheese them and grab the loot as fast as possible every round, and that they were just generally used to powergame instead of making the round any more interesting.

Well then it sounds like the solution is just making more and more difficult missions. I will now apply my mediocre mapping skills.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:37 pm**

If you want to port anything port their cargo, its breddy gud
Do you know what we shouln't port?
Their sprites

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:41 pm**

It's so apples to oranges at this point it's nearly impossible to even compare them.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:41 pm**

TribeOfBeavers wrote:
scrubs2009 wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:~

No it doesnt. Goon mining is weird. You basically have a 20×20 square in which you can teleport asteroids to mine.

Where can I find about why portals were removed? I heard it had something to do with power gaming but I want to learn the details.
The gateway wasn't removed, but away missions were disabled on tg, other servers still have them enabled.

You can probably dig up an old PR or forum thread about it if you'd like, but I think the general idea was that the away missions were all basically "solved" in that people would just cheese them and grab the loot as fast as possible every round, and that they were just generally used to powergame instead of making the round any more interesting.

This plus the fact that half the crew would leave the station to get phat loot every round and many of them would just die, meaning station population was effectively permanently halved.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:43 pm**

calzilla1 wrote:If you want to port anything port their cargo, its breddy gud
Do you know what we shouln't port?
Their sprites

oh shit

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:49 pm**

scrubs2009 wrote: Well then it sounds like the solution is just making more and more difficult missions. I will now apply my mediocre mapping skills.

Wasting your time, friend. Only way away missions making any comeback if they were kept secret and were remade to be less shitty/a loot-fest. The current selection is either boring, badly-designed, or an unbalanced shit-fest of death and excessive round-breaking loot.

I would personally love to see something akin to adventure z-levels on goon come back to TG, but considering the only reason away missions aren't even gutted yet is due to downstream branches, I doubt that will ever happen.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:09 pm**

Can you still fart and poop on goon

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:11 pm**

MMMiracles wrote:
scrubs2009 wrote: Well then it sounds like the solution is just making more and more difficult missions. I will now apply my mediocre mapping skills.
Wasting your time, friend. Only way away missions making any comeback if they were kept secret and were remade to be less shitty/a loot-fest. The current selection is either boring, badly-designed, or an unbalanced shit-fest of death and excessive round-breaking loot.

I would personally love to see something akin to adventure z-levels on goon come back to TG, but considering the only reason away missions aren't even gutted yet is due to downstream branches, I doubt that will ever happen.

>when it's gangs and the away mission is the ship battle
Free eswords and hardsuits for everyone!

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:13 pm**

Just like gangs, away missions were fun for some time. Then the meta formed.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:29 pm**

calzilla1 wrote:If you want to port anything port their cargo, its breddy gud
Do you know what we shouln't port?
Their sprites

Our crafting gun sprites, never forgetti.

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:58 pm**

i've tried SO HARD TO ENJOY GOON

i've given it SO MANY CHANCES

and every time it's just like i'm BORED, i don't care at all what's happening. exploration was fun, though i'll stick to MEK BOYZ GUMSHOE N WOODWORTH

Posted: **Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:09 pm**

Armhulen wrote:i've tried SO HARD TO ENJOY GOON

i've given it SO MANY CHANCES

and every time it's just like i'm BORED, i don't care at all what's happening. exploration was fun, though i'll stick to MEK BOYZ GUMSHOE N WOODWORTH

OH SHIT SON. MET A MEK BOY IN THE FORUM. GET HYPE

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:06 am**

Do they have our weird paper-thin racial politics? Like people whose primary gimmick is running around screaming "GAS THE LIGGERS"?

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:09 am**

Lavaland is the only way an adventure zone can really work on /tg/.

Since nothing can be closed source, we need to rely on random generation. As much as I'd love some quality handcrafted dungeons, it just isn't feasible when there will be maps on the wiki before its even merged.

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:13 am**

tgstation has better waifus

there i said it

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:25 am**

AnonymousNow wrote:Do they have our weird paper-thin racial politics? Like people whose primary gimmick is running around screaming "GAS THE LIGGERS"?

They have a rule against that, actually:

Spoiler:

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:49 am**

TribeOfBeavers wrote:~

Mm. Feels as though that's a little too far in the other direction. No reference to sexual organs? What if I want to call someone a dick, or a cockgargling thundercunt?

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:11 am**

Cheridan wrote:tgstation has better waifus

there i said it

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:37 am**

TribeOfBeavers wrote:
AnonymousNow wrote:Do they have our weird paper-thin racial politics? Like people whose primary gimmick is running around screaming "GAS THE LIGGERS"?
They have a rule against that, actually:

Spoiler:
Goonstation Rules Page wrote:Bigotry and sexual content is a non-negotiable hard 'no' at the request of our server hosts. In order to avoid a three hour argument over whether a mention of dicks is sexual or not, this is interpreted as 'absolutely no references to sexual organs or related topics whatsoever; absolutely no use of slurs or bigoted statements whatsoever, even ironically or masked with clever misspellings, and yes this means your BYOND key too'. This is not negotiable and not open for discussion. If an admin tells you to knock something off because it breaks the no sexual references rule, that is not an invitation for debate. Knock it off or go elsewhere. Rape 'jokes' are considered sexual content. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to use the word rape in this game. This is one of the two only 'do what we say, when we say it, because we say it' rules we have.

can we please port this rule? i am so tired of literal 12 year olds signing up as Adolf Shitler

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:42 am**

Ricotez wrote:
TribeOfBeavers wrote:
AnonymousNow wrote:Do they have our weird paper-thin racial politics? Like people whose primary gimmick is running around screaming "GAS THE LIGGERS"?
They have a rule against that, actually:

Spoiler:
Goonstation Rules Page wrote:Bigotry and sexual content is a non-negotiable hard 'no' at the request of our server hosts. In order to avoid a three hour argument over whether a mention of dicks is sexual or not, this is interpreted as 'absolutely no references to sexual organs or related topics whatsoever; absolutely no use of slurs or bigoted statements whatsoever, even ironically or masked with clever misspellings, and yes this means your BYOND key too'. This is not negotiable and not open for discussion. If an admin tells you to knock something off because it breaks the no sexual references rule, that is not an invitation for debate. Knock it off or go elsewhere. Rape 'jokes' are considered sexual content. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to use the word rape in this game. This is one of the two only 'do what we say, when we say it, because we say it' rules we have.
can we please port this rule? i am so tired of literal 12 year olds signing up as Adolf Shitler

Would be a very controversial move

I'm personally not a fan of people who think it's funny to spam racial slurs or spawn with names like the one you mentioned, but I'm in the minority

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:13 am**

Qbopper wrote:but I'm in the minority

Get out. That SJW shit ruined goon.

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:17 am**

Super Aggro Crag wrote:Can you still fart and poop on goon

Yeah dude they even have like 5 unique fart styles you can choose from on the character screen.
I prefer the short and sweet booming default fart though, the rest are just wet and gross.

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:20 am**

Ricotez wrote:can we please port this rule? i am so tired of literal 12 year olds signing up as Adolf Shitler

that's why we have a name policy

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:23 am**

Ricotez wrote:
TribeOfBeavers wrote:
AnonymousNow wrote:Do they have our weird paper-thin racial politics? Like people whose primary gimmick is running around screaming "GAS THE LIGGERS"?
They have a rule against that, actually:

Spoiler:
Goonstation Rules Page wrote:Bigotry and sexual content is a non-negotiable hard 'no' at the request of our server hosts. In order to avoid a three hour argument over whether a mention of dicks is sexual or not, this is interpreted as 'absolutely no references to sexual organs or related topics whatsoever; absolutely no use of slurs or bigoted statements whatsoever, even ironically or masked with clever misspellings, and yes this means your BYOND key too'. This is not negotiable and not open for discussion. If an admin tells you to knock something off because it breaks the no sexual references rule, that is not an invitation for debate. Knock it off or go elsewhere. Rape 'jokes' are considered sexual content. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to use the word rape in this game. This is one of the two only 'do what we say, when we say it, because we say it' rules we have.
can we please port this rule? i am so tired of literal 12 year olds signing up as Adolf Shitler

The moment I get bwoinked for saying a slur is the moment I start ddosing the server

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:41 am**

DrPillzRedux wrote:
Qbopper wrote:but I'm in the minority
Get out. That SJW shit ruined goon.

"I dislike people spamming racial slurs" makes me a SJW? Nice bait

EDIT: Before this goes nuclear: no, I will not bwoink you for using racial slurs

no I will not ban you for using racial slurs

no I will not ban you for having a shitty name

no, I am not personally offended by the words nigger or faggot or any other slur

yes, I find the overuse of them unfunny and annoying

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:03 am**

Qbopper wrote:
DrPillzRedux wrote:
Qbopper wrote:but I'm in the minority
Get out. That SJW shit ruined goon.
"I dislike people spamming racial slurs" makes me a SJW? Nice bait

I'M GOING NUCLEAR BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES CALL THE OPS SECURE THE DISK

... nah it just makes you a decent person

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:17 am**

TheNightingale wrote:
Qbopper wrote:
DrPillzRedux wrote:
Qbopper wrote:but I'm in the minority
Get out. That SJW shit ruined goon.
"I dislike people spamming racial slurs" makes me a SJW? Nice bait
I'M GOING NUCLEAR BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES CALL THE OPS SECURE THE DISK

... nah it just makes you a decent person

It's called being thin skinned and you should ignore shit you don't like.

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:10 am**

The memes are all incredibly unfunny and dumb but you can actually deal with it in more than one way quit being a pussy

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:18 am**

confused rock wrote:The memes are all incredibly unfunny and dumb but you can actually deal with it in more than one way quit being a pussy

Assuming this is directed at me, I'm not sure I follow

If you mean personally getting over it - I find it no more annoying than any other annoying player behaviour so there's no issue

If you mean dealing with it as an admin, we speak to people taking it too far, so there's no issue

"Quit being a pussy" about what, exactly

DIT: btw this is veering off topic

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:25 am**

It's far easier to ignore it tbh. I don't want to have to quibble with every single person who uses slurs, plus I genuinely don't care and would rather use the time and energy to download high quality .ogg rips

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:56 am**

We greytided a HoP named Adolf Shitler the other week. I rarely greytide, but with a name like that, you're sort of asking for it. Didn't hurt him, just repeatedly knocked him over, stole his stuff, then handed out all-access to the crew.

Turned out to be a cult round. Explained the greytide situation to the HoS. He understood where we came from. We beat that cult. Good times.

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:00 am**

If there is anything I wanted ported over it is Goon's sound system. the ambience of a goonstation round is soothing, being able to hear the screams from across the station, the gunshots of the detective blindly firing his revolver into the clown, the chaplain farting on his bible and exploding.

That and it made using "Loud" weapons have a real disadvantage as the moment you fired a gun or opened an e-sword the entire station would know, it made silent weapons like goon's suppressed .22 pistol actually have a value.

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:55 am**

the sound engine from goon is about the only thing the open source codebases haven't replicated, which is a shame, because it is rather excellent.

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:17 am**

beerobot wrote:the sound engine from goon is about the only thing the open source codebases haven't replicated, which is a shame, because it is rather excellent.

Hearing a faint echoing fart from tcomms while also hearing distant bloody murder scream from robotics while in engineering is quite nice.

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:24 am**

I think space ruins are a good way to incorporate more exploration and adventure-y stuff. There's already a fair number of them and it seems like a fairly easy process to add new ones to the pool, provided they are already mapped.

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:01 am**

Their sound system is what I was most impressed by when we ran Gooncode for a few weeks. There is nothing that destroys immersion as fast as when you're all alone in a dark maintenance tunnel and suddenly hear the faint echo of a distant fart.

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:44 pm**

There's nothing special about goon's sound system, it just uses the built in byond 3D sounds just like we do.
The difference comes in the fact we've capped it to SURROUND_CAP (7), so 3D sounds never leave a screen, all we have to do is change this value.

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:11 pm**

The reason i've stopped playing on Goon in the first place is the unending screams and farts. Screams are nice for ambience, but there was always someone screaming somewhere, meaning that it was less a call for help and more of a very annoying background. Farts are even worse because they just break any pretense of immersion.

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:14 pm**

XDTM wrote:The reason i've stopped playing on Goon in the first place is the unending screams and farts. Screams are nice for ambience, but there was always someone screaming somewhere, meaning that it was less a call for help and more of a very annoying background. Farts are even worse because they just break any pretense of immersion.

Well we have neither of those, so.

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:18 pm**

Remie Richards wrote:Well we have neither of those, so.

The slippery slope begins with "buttbots".

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:23 pm**

>better waifus

debatable

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:42 pm**

Lumbermancer wrote:
Remie Richards wrote:Well we have neither of those, so.
The slippery slope begins with "buttbots".

HE KNOWS, SHUT IT DOWN

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:44 pm**

TribeOfBeavers wrote:
AnonymousNow wrote:Do they have our weird paper-thin racial politics? Like people whose primary gimmick is running around screaming "GAS THE LIGGERS"?
They have a rule against that, actually:

Spoiler:
Goonstation Rules Page wrote:Bigotry and sexual content is a non-negotiable hard 'no' at the request of our server hosts. In order to avoid a three hour argument over whether a mention of dicks is sexual or not, this is interpreted as 'absolutely no references to sexual organs or related topics whatsoever; absolutely no use of slurs or bigoted statements whatsoever, even ironically or masked with clever misspellings, and yes this means your BYOND key too'. This is not negotiable and not open for discussion. If an admin tells you to knock something off because it breaks the no sexual references rule, that is not an invitation for debate. Knock it off or go elsewhere. Rape 'jokes' are considered sexual content. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to use the word rape in this game. This is one of the two only 'do what we say, when we say it, because we say it' rules we have.

Just yesterday I got a time out on goon for saying cuck.

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:48 pm**

I'm in the goon hall of fame

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:07 pm**

scrubs2009 wrote:
TribeOfBeavers wrote:
AnonymousNow wrote:Do they have our weird paper-thin racial politics? Like people whose primary gimmick is running around screaming "GAS THE LIGGERS"?
They have a rule against that, actually:

Spoiler:
Goonstation Rules Page wrote:Bigotry and sexual content is a non-negotiable hard 'no' at the request of our server hosts. In order to avoid a three hour argument over whether a mention of dicks is sexual or not, this is interpreted as 'absolutely no references to sexual organs or related topics whatsoever; absolutely no use of slurs or bigoted statements whatsoever, even ironically or masked with clever misspellings, and yes this means your BYOND key too'. This is not negotiable and not open for discussion. If an admin tells you to knock something off because it breaks the no sexual references rule, that is not an invitation for debate. Knock it off or go elsewhere. Rape 'jokes' are considered sexual content. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to use the word rape in this game. This is one of the two only 'do what we say, when we say it, because we say it' rules we have.

Just yesterday I got a time out on goon for saying cuck.

I should play on goon :^)

I mean really though you broke a rule what did you expect

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:55 pm**

Remie Richards wrote:There's nothing special about goon's sound system, it just uses the built in byond 3D sounds just like we do.
The difference comes in the fact we've capped it to SURROUND_CAP (7), so 3D sounds never leave a screen, all we have to do is change this value.

sounds like a pretty good thing to pr for april 1st

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