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^ FUCKING THIS


Oh we have 1 hos and a detective. 4 REV HEADS

Just lock and load

One revhead for the number of sec personnel divided by three rounded up.

ShadowDimentio wrote:One revhead for the number of sec personnel divided by three rounded up.

Yeah that sounds entirely faair

I know. Speaking from experience after the other day whereabouts 8 revs swarmed the three sec team and literally lit it on fire with plasma tanks rendering the place inhospitable and killing me, the HoS.

You beat me to the punch.

Its literally gotten to the point where there are 3 roundstart sec (composed of the Warden, the HoS and the Detective) and just as many revheads, and its making rev a drag for security/heads, roles which already suffer attrition because they're not fun to play.

The main issue with a solution to this is that, to my understanding, the roundstart methodology goes thus

select gamemode -> roll antag -> pick jobs

This was done so that people could have sec in their preferences without losing out on their chance to be an antagonist.

But this does present an issue wherein the game can't constrain headrev numbers by number of sec personnel... because it doesn't know how many sec personnel there are until after its picked its revheads.

The alternative solution (that does work under the current system) is to force a number of filled security slots based off the number of revheads (which still scales to population)

"B-but forcing people who don't want to to play sec!"

Yes, its shitty, but atleast revs is team oriented enough that its not the same kind of experience as normal sec.

The only alternative fixes I can see are:

a) Make sec no longer a drag and more popular (good luck!)

b) Disable rev at higher populations until a solution is found.

...guys we already have this. I implemented this a long time ago, over a year ago.

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/12724

Incoming wrote:...guys we already have this. I implemented this a long time ago, over a year ago.

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/12724

Even by your given examples, this isn't really scaled well.

If there are 5 heads and no sec officers: 2 head revs

If there are 5 heads and one singular sec officer: 3 head revs

The CMO, CE and RD are all relatively easy for a small number of revolutionaries to take out, especially if they get their hands on a stun before hand (which includes just smashing a bottle on someones head)

This leaves the HoP (who does, atleast, start with a self defense weapon, but can still be relatively easily overwhelmed), the Captain (who has high self-defense capability but has no security to back him up if he slips/gets stunprodded/etc) and the HoS (who will most likely die the first time he tries to arrest someone unawares that the other people around him are revs.

Theres no cooldown on flashes, and I believe headrev flashes are immune to breaking other then by EMP, meaning that even two headrevs can generate their own personal army pretty damn quickly.

It may be time to re jig the formula to better accommodate existing balance.

revheads are scaled with station heads

PKPenguin321 wrote:revheads are scaled with station heads

Thanks for the insightful post that was already made.

yes

Considering rev is a team deathmatch mode, it should scale with sec, not heads.

Lumbermancer wrote:Considering rev is a team deathmatch mode, it should scale with sec, not heads.

It scales with both. Also, even if there was only one rev head, he can convert people really fast to the point it doesn't really make a difference having more revheads or not as long as he can stay out of trouble.

Having to get one guy to win makes all the difference in the world.