Security Grenade Launchers

[John_Oxford]

A 40mm single-shot break action grenade launcher.

It can fit on your armor storage slot, your belt, or your back.
Three types of ammo that spawn in the armory for it.
40mm Rubber - Two Boxes - Riot Control, knocks people down and throws them back a tile, has a chance to ricochet if it hit's a wall or a hulk with a riot shield. Absolutely destroys stamina.
40mm Smoke - Two Boxes - On contact smoke grenade, no explosion delay
40mm Flash - One Box - On contact flashbang, instant detonation when the projectile hits
40mm Breach - One Box - Functionally identical to breaching shells from the syndicate, blows airlock's off of their frames, does little to no damage to humans or soft targets due to over penetration.

With illegal levels in research, RnD can fabricate;
40mm EMP - Instant discharge of a medium size electromagnetic pulse
40mm SEAR - Fire bomb, creates a 3x3 fireball that's functionally similar to napalm
40mm Chemical - Basically a grenade casing, put two small beakers in, it mixes the beakers when the shell makes contact with something
40mm Sticky Explosive - Functionally the same as a 40mm Fragmentation Grenade, however it's linked to the next trigger pull of the 40mm launcher. (You can't unload the shell with active sticky greandes to prevent a coding nightmare)
40mm Flechette - Fires 15 glass shards in a spread pattern
40mm Blanks - Makes the launching noise but fires no projectiles.

*Also, two grenades of any type may be stored on the rifle and removed by alt+clicking it.
*Sawing the stock off removes this function, but allows it to fit in your backpack

[D&B]

You uh, sure this is off topic?

[Screemonster]

at top-tier bluespace research add a bluespace launcher that lets you just place the grenade wherever the fuck you click regardless of whatever's between you and there

[Saegrimr]

You uh, sure this is off topic?

It's an oxford thread, so yes.

[John_Oxford]

its the only place i am able to post besides ntr and general chat as your supreme red name overlord

maybe i should bribe kor to giving me fancy permissions so that he can remain in power

[DrPillzRedux]

Give it smoke grenades.

[John_Oxford]

40mm Smoke - Two Boxes - On contact smoke grenade, no explosion delay

[Kraso]

A grenade launcher already exists.

[Armhulen]

its the only place i am able to post besides ntr and general chat as your supreme red name overlord

maybe i should bribe kor to giving me fancy permissions so that he can remain in power

john should at least have ideas, it'll be the only forum he posts in.

on another note Kor is actually adding tacticool stuff to security, this might actually happen.

A grenade launcher already exists.

yeah but it's garbage, this is like a rework or something

[oranges]

>rework
Literally nothing is different about it

[John_Oxford]

>change the sprite
>specify ammo types
>specify location
>specify function

"wew lads its literally just a sawn off shotgun that fires grenades he changed nothing ree!!1111"

[PKPenguin321]

instant ranged on contact flashbang. so a flashbang that's even more braindead since you don't have to cook it.

no thanks

[John_Oxford]

instant ranged on contact flashbang. so a flashbang that's even more braindead since you don't have to cook it.

no thanks

a flashbang with a reload time that takes up a armor or belt slot for a security officer (both of which are vital)

that dismisses the fact that it's a armory weapon, which will likely be used when a insta-flashbang is actually warranted in the situation

also you know, sunglasses, bowman, earmuffs, ect ect

[PKPenguin321]

still lame as fuck. and the armor slot is hardly "vital," i put my taser in my bag all the time.

[John_Oxford]

still lame as fuck. and the armor slot is hardly "vital," i put my taser in my bag all the time.

your playing wrong if you don't have vital equipment in your armor slot.

-10 points for unrobustness

[Wyzack]

>tries to code a basically undodgable stun

>calls other unrobust

lol

[John_Oxford]

>tries to code a basically undodgable stun

>calls other unrobust

lol

>code
>instastun
>implying thats how grenades work
>implying im not robust

so many wrong statements in such a wrong comment

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everything in the game has hard counters
not having the hard counter be a common thing doesn't make the weapon absolutely uncounterable, it give's the person using it a advantage in the situation.

and against antags who are actually susceptable to flashbangs (not nuke ops, not lings, not wizards) it's needed.

[Sweaterkittens]

everything in the game has hard counters
not having the hard counter be a common thing doesn't make the weapon absolutely uncounterable, it give's the person using it a advantage in the situation.

I think you're correct, that not everything in the game has to have a hard counter. Dual e-swords don't have an absolute counter, and they're not overpowered at all. I would argue however that in this case, it's too much of an advantage with little opportunity for any sort of counter play. Flashbangs are already incredibly strong, and they're only really balanced by the fact that they have a telegraphed/auditory cook time and are hard to use effectively. Against 99% of traitors, one could just go grab the grenade launcher, instantly stun/blind/deafen the target at range with an aoe that doesn't even need to hit the target to be effective, and that's gg. Aside from lethals, security is already one of the most well-equipped forces on the station. It's a really cool idea, but I think in practice it would be excessively frustrating to play against since there's not really anything you can do about it.

I think a more reasonable/functionally appropriate idea would be a 2-6 round revolving Grenade Launcher that fired grenades sans the instant detonation. That way during a greytide/riot/rev, one officer could load up a bunch of flashbangs/smoke/whatever you want to use and be able to switch between them quickly and pop them off as much as needed. That wouldn't be too much more powerful than just throwing individual grenades, it would just provide better storage, be more thematic and probably work a little better in the context of the game.


EDIT: Just to be clear, I think the idea is really cool, and I love the rest of the shells in the armory. I think it's a great idea, the instant flashbang stun is pretty rough though.

[John_Oxford]

everything in the game has hard counters
not having the hard counter be a common thing doesn't make the weapon absolutely uncounterable, it give's the person using it a advantage in the situation.

I think you're correct, that not everything in the game has to have a hard counter. Dual e-swords don't have an absolute counter, and they're not overpowered at all. I would argue however that in this case, it's too much of an advantage with little opportunity for any sort of counter play. Flashbangs are already incredibly strong, and they're only really balanced by the fact that they have a telegraphed/auditory cook time and are hard to use effectively. Against 99% of traitors, one could just go grab the grenade launcher, instantly stun/blind/deafen the target at range with an aoe that doesn't even need to hit the target to be effective, and that's gg. Aside from lethals, security is already one of the most well-equipped forces on the station. It's a really cool idea, but I think in practice it would be excessively frustrating to play against since there's not really anything you can do about it.

I think a more reasonable/functionally appropriate idea would be a 2-6 round revolving Grenade Launcher that fired grenades sans the instant detonation. That way during a greytide/riot/rev, one officer could load up a bunch of flashbangs/smoke/whatever you want to use and be able to switch between them quickly and pop them off as much as needed. That wouldn't be too much more powerful than just throwing individual grenades, it would just provide better storage, be more thematic and probably work a little better in the context of the game.


EDIT: Just to be clear, I think the idea is really cool, and I love the rest of the shells in the armory. I think it's a great idea, the instant flashbang stun is pretty rough though.

You gotta keep in mind the justification that in the case of a traitors equipment going against security's current equipment, the traitor's equipment will always win.

Adrenals, Bloodsuits, (hell even normal suits) and then the plethora of weapons that could be put in use against someone with a grenade launcher does counter it ridiculiously, that's without taking into account things like bowman's (that nuke ops have off the back) earmuffs (for greytiders who just want to be shit and not get flashmemed) along with spells, powers, adrenal sacs (wiz, hulk, ling respectively)

It'd be powerful, there's no argument to that, but it's functionality and usefulness as a device security has to at the very least give them a advantage in some situations or to a unprepared target is generally the case.

The only case in which this would be bullshit-nerf-right-now levels, is if its only considered as something used against non-traitor non-harmful people, like if i said "every sec officer gets one at round start"

It won't be used in arrests, it won't be used in punishment, it will likely (since there is only two) be used against people actively trying to fuck over security, in which, that situation requires something that gives them the advantage when they are already at a disadvantage.

You have a very valid point about a six shot grenade launcher, but you have to keep in mind how memey spamming six of any of the RnD shells or the rubber/breaching shells that come standard with it. a 45 second stun because someone just got hit six times with a two pound ball of rubber going mach 5 into their chest is more op than instant detonation flashbangs are.


For the sake of the argument, you could always make them weaker flashbangs with shorter blind/stun times

[oranges]

every ammo type you’ve suggested bar probably the breaching round already exist or can be made via the chemgrenades ability

[imblyings]

just wanted to post that your name colour has a slight blue tinge to it

I saw your name next to jordies and kors and something was off and bothered me intensely until I realized

[John_Oxford]

every ammo type you’ve suggested bar probably the breaching round already exist or can be made via the chemgrenades ability

it doesn't fire hand grenades

it fires 40mm grenades

obviously, it hurts my soul how painstakingly obvious that is and how i have to point it out to a citrusfag

[John_Oxford]

just wanted to post that your name colour has a slight blue tinge to it

I saw your name next to jordies and kors and something was off and bothered me intensely until I realized

this is unacceptable

[srifenbyxp]

I skimmed but add it in, make it a single shot gun, too big to put inside of normal backpacks and have a small cool down to reload inbetween shots. Bonus points if you have to stand still to fully reload, because no matter how you slice it anything that goes boom will put you at the top of the threat list.

Don't nerf any firepower about it; keep the instant flash times don't shorten them, make rubber shots put that grey shirt down in a single shot, keep the ROBUST fire power but make it slow on the draw and require you to have both hands empty.


I support this weapon

[ShadowDimentio]

Make this craftable and make it detonate fired grenades on contact.

[Armhulen]

Make this craftable and make it detonate fired grenades on contact.

make it for security but a ghetto version is availible

[DemonFiren]

Make this craftable and make it detonate fired grenades on contact.

make it for security but a ghetto version is availible

We call that pneumatic cannon, right?

[Armhulen]

Make this craftable and make it detonate fired grenades on contact.

make it for security but a ghetto version is availible

We call that pneumatic cannon, right?

the cannon doesnt detonate grenades on impact

[leibniz]

I can imagine giving this to high level ERTs but aside from that this wouldn't be healthy for normal gameplay.

[oranges]

>rework
Literally nothing is different about it