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Completely official design doc for conversion modes

Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 10:57 pm
by Man_Shroom
I saw a thread about conversion modes and this was going to be a post in that thread but it got too long so here it is now

OKAY HERE WE GO MAN_SHROOM'S OFFICIAL DESIGN DOC TO FIXING CONVERSION MODES

SHADOWLING
Spoiler:
Slings should not convert crewmembers to the cause of the sling, but should RAISE THE DEAD IN A NEW BODY as its minions (As in, ghosts become 'Dark Servant' or something)
In addition, slings would compete with each other over thralls. Who can be the darkest and edgiest darkedgelord?
More to come as I make it up.
GANG
Spoiler:
It would be easier for me to just link to a different page than summing it all up here so http://wiki.ss13.co/Gang

1. Gang leaders have the objective 'Stay alive, control the most turf.' These are the only objectives

2. Gang leaders spawn A LOCKER that crewmembers wander up to and WILLINGLY CONVERT TO THE GANG, which equips the gangs clothes/hats/suit PERMANENTLY

3. Gangs are not considered antagonists, they are to be viewed the same as a group of assistants dressed in suits and playing mafia during an extended round.

4. Gang leaders have a SPECIAL TOOL that lets them add 'Gang Style' to the minds of all gangsters. These function as laws that the gangsters must observe. Example: Gang leader orders all gangsters to wear bandannas, all gangsters to chill in the bar, not to harm security, etc.

5. Security S.O.P is to consider different gangs as different entities, Example: If WORLD'S BEST BUDDIES gang is chilling and smoking weed in the bar, then just ignore them, but if TUNNEL SNAKES are gunning down everyone they see, well then fuck them up. Hell, maybe even recruit the Science gang, BADMIN BUSTAS to help you.

6. You can deconvert from any gang at any time by going to the locker you converted at, and after that, you can become a member of a different gang at their locker. No forced conversion/deconversion exists.

7. Gang UPLINKS still exist and function basically the same as they do now, but maybe less dangerous stuff on it. Uzi might be removed? Idk but BALANCE MEMES would happen.
Hand of God
Spoiler:
just put it out of its misery and let it die
BLOODCULT AND CLOCKCULT
Spoiler:
I assume that these various modes will be condensed down to have a low chance of occurring since ultimately there will be THREE modes, Bloodult, Clockcult, and CULT BATTLE.

If Cult has a 1% chance of occuring, and so does clockcult, and so does CULT BATTLE, then they will together have a 3% chance of occurring, the same way the original bloodcult mode had a 3% chance of occurring

DISCLAIMER: The above numbers are made up, the point is that the 3 modes TOGETHER should add up to the weight of the original mode so it doesn't happen too often
Revolution
Spoiler:
It's perfect right now don't change nothing, this mode is an example of a conversion clusterfuck, but should not be imitated under any circumstances. Behold revolution and the niche it fills, and don't try to also fill that niche.
NEW MODES OH BOY OH GEEZ
Spoiler:
On /vg/ and Bay and such they have a gametype called VOX RAIDERS, wherein a bunch of bird aliens spawn aboard a small ship and they are tasked with stealing valuable items, ranging from materials from mining to scientific research to the PA and even people. The 'value' of items could be calculated based on the cargo point value that certain items (Like plasma and crates) already have. Obviously this mode would need some fine-tuning( Change the vox aliens into pirates, alter the value of stuff, gear crap) but it's viable as a simple thing even if straight ported now.

TL;DR of above

1.pirates in a ship

2. they steal good stuff from the crew

3. they have netguns or whatever

Re: Completely official design doc for conversion modes

Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 11:12 pm
by Anonmare
I don't know if a Heist mode would work for this playerbase tbh
Maybe you could work it a bit like Nuke Ops? Except no Vox memes though and no Nuke obviously.

Re: Completely official design doc for conversion modes

Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 7:07 am
by DemonFiren
>no jewbirds

That's half the point of Heist.

Re: Completely official design doc for conversion modes

Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 7:10 am
by InsaneHyena
> No gipsy birds
Why make heist, then

Re: Completely official design doc for conversion modes

Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 9:16 am
by Incomptinence
Pirates should be a team of solos, they harvest the station and convert it into loot and more gear to steal from the the station with HOWEVER each pirate has a known only to them loot goal and if they don't get enough loot in their share to reach their goal I think you can figure out the solution CUTTING THROATS! MUTINY! KILLING YOUR PIRATE CREW!

To differentiate them from flops they should have boarding pods and junky scrap transport non combat mechs that basically function mainly as space craft. Only their captain gets a proper space suit, whoever is wearing the space suit gets a double share of booty! They should be rewarded for teamwork to a point though so I suggest their thing be THUNDERBUSSES slow reload single shot damage and stun guns that while impractical alone can be held and used while laying down so they rest to let their fellows fire over them simulating an ye olde musket firing line with the front line crouched before a standing line.

They should loot the station with magnets that hoover up everything short of the hull plates in a room and they guard it while it does this meaning the pirates repeatedly breach into rooms and guard them for a time while the magnet hoovers them dry. To discourage the crew just calling the shuttle asap the pirates should be capable of fielding anti shuttle torpedos on their exocraft, if they pop the escape shuttle with them crew loses after a timer but the pirates need to scramble to reach their loot quota once it pops probably meaning they then kill each other. Entire concept kind of hinges on giving the crew meaningful outside the station fire power to hunt the pirates with, oh and giving syndicate and pirate ship the ability to relocate all over station Z freely where it wouldn't collide with the station.

Oh also pirates can kidnap people back to their ship and piratefy them by exposing them the loot stack for a while but this means the crew member will also get a share of the loot and a random loot quota.

Basically my entire idea of how pirates should treat each other hinges off the pirate captain killing his crew to keep his treasure location secret in Muppet treasure island.
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Re: Completely official design doc for conversion modes

Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 3:28 pm
by Supermichael777
Shadowlings should get an extra powerful servant for converting another shadowling. ether that or dust after some arbitrary point

Re: Completely official design doc for conversion modes

Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 3:49 pm
by DemonFiren
InsaneHyena wrote:> No gipsy birds
Why make heist, then
DemonFiren wrote:>no jewbirds

That's half the point of Heist.
SOON...

Re: Completely official design doc for conversion modes

Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 3:49 pm
by Lumbermancer
NEW MODES OH BOY OH GEEZ
Do we need more team deathmatch?

Re: Completely official design doc for conversion modes

Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 11:25 pm
by Ezel
Why is gangs suddenly goongangs VERY ORGINAL IDEA DO NOT STEAL

Re: Completely official design doc for conversion modes

Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 11:28 pm
by paprika
Why not just fucking remove them????

Most of them are uninspired and unmaintained as well as hot garbage. We removed ling after a ton of kicking and screaming, we can axe most of these shit modes too.

Re: Completely official design doc for conversion modes

Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 12:34 am
by paprika
Lumbermancer wrote:
NEW MODES OH BOY OH GEEZ
Do we need more team deathmatch?
>implying we don't have that 50% of the time anyway

Re: Completely official design doc for conversion modes

Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 4:11 am
by Man_Shroom
Lumbermancer wrote:
NEW MODES OH BOY OH GEEZ
Do we need more team deathmatch?
That mode I suggested wouldn't be a team deathmatch mode
Ezel wrote:Why is gangs suddenly goongangs VERY ORGINAL IDEA DO NOT STEAL
cuz it works gud

Re: Completely official design doc for conversion modes

Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 6:02 am
by Steelpoint
Removing Gang Mode would be a improvement.

Re: Completely official design doc for conversion modes

Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 6:17 am
by PKPenguin321
Steelpoint wrote:Removing Gang Mode would be a improvement.
Remove yourself to be honest