/tg/Station 13

Purge the unclean.

Just remove it, it's dumb and inconsistent that directly touching the grille itself will deal a fair amount of damage to you, but flicking a peanut at the grille will cause a massive arc shock that can fry the shit out of 3 people

This needs to go, it's frying innocents left and right as people break into HOP/sec. Or when antags build electrified grilles in the middle of the hallway and watch the sparks, like last night. Don't get me wrong, building electrified grilles in the middle of the hall as an antag is neat, but not when they blast everyone around them when some assistant throws a sheet of paper at it.

I am for the removal, it's kinda dumb and makes shit like actually using electrified grilles as barriers impractical because it will kill you if you're standing near it. Also it ruins fight clubs.

FEAR THE GRILLE

>not filling pneumatic cannons up with 12 sheets of paper and firing at the HOPS grille while people stand in line

cmon

I'm all for the game being more deadly but insta-crit is a bit over the top

It's a cool metal death trap mechanic but the range is too high

Reduce it to 1 tile so prison breaks are still possible

I don't think people realize that shocked grilles are pointless if all you have to do is throw the same glass shards at it that fell off the window.

Now they're an obstacle to be feared again.

They're too great an obstacle. Disruptingly too much of an obstacle, since the grilles make it impossible to break people out of prison unless you have insuls and tools.

Oh no how the hell will someone with access to EVA get ahold of TOOLS?

There's more ways to get around that grille without gloves than slamming it like a barbarian, and even other methods involved slamming it like a barbarian.

You're thinking of perma, I'm thinking of the regular cells. It is actually impossible to get people out of there without tools even if you have gloves since the prisoner will get shocked and die even if you avoid the shocks.

Also no as I've said before this is not a good fucking game mechanic because this requires people to make a checklist. If they have gloves and tools they can do fun things, if they don't, "get fucked git gud scrub lelelelele"

Make grilles have an insulated layer that can be stripped off to shoot magic death electricity. You can still get your death grilles otherwise they just do the old shock if touched (grilles are secretly layered with the same stuff as budget insulated gloves.)

i solved everyone's problems we can go home now

Zilenan91 wrote:You're thinking of perma, I'm thinking of the regular cells. It is actually impossible to get people out of there without tools even if you have gloves since the prisoner will get shocked and die even if you avoid the shocks.

Also no as I've said before this is not a good fucking game mechanic because this requires people to make a checklist. If they have gloves and tools they can do fun things, if they don't, "get fucked git gud scrub lelelelele"

Guns
Explosives
Thermite
Decon the walls
Emag/hack the doors through the gulag and go around into the windoor
Grabbing another person and throwing THEM into the grille
Build/steal a fucking grounding rod, push it up against the window then bash it like the technologically competent barbarian you are

Saegrimr wrote:

Zilenan91 wrote:You're thinking of perma, I'm thinking of the regular cells. It is actually impossible to get people out of there without tools even if you have gloves since the prisoner will get shocked and die even if you avoid the shocks.

Also no as I've said before this is not a good fucking game mechanic because this requires people to make a checklist. If they have gloves and tools they can do fun things, if they don't, "get fucked git gud scrub lelelelele"

Guns
Explosives
Thermite
Decon the walls
Emag/hack the doors through the gulag and go around into the windoor
Grabbing another person and throwing THEM into the grille
Build/steal a fucking grounding rod, push it up against the window then bash it like the technologically competent barbarian you are

or hit it with something that's not conductive, such as the glass that the window drops when you break it

This is fucking stupid. Remove.

Actually pretty good. Punishes greytiding and smashing shit up.

Zilenan91 wrote:You're thinking of perma, I'm thinking of the regular cells. It is actually impossible to get people out of there without tools even if you have gloves since the prisoner will get shocked and die even if you avoid the shocks.

have you tried one of the many above suggestions, or simply NOT breaking people out of jail cells?

Saegrimr wrote:

Zilenan91 wrote:You're thinking of perma, I'm thinking of the regular cells. It is actually impossible to get people out of there without tools even if you have gloves since the prisoner will get shocked and die even if you avoid the shocks.

Also no as I've said before this is not a good fucking game mechanic because this requires people to make a checklist. If they have gloves and tools they can do fun things, if they don't, "get fucked git gud scrub lelelelele"

Guns
Explosives
Thermite
Decon the walls
Emag/hack the doors through the gulag and go around into the windoor
Grabbing another person and throwing THEM into the grille
Build/steal a fucking grounding rod, push it up against the window then bash it like the technologically competent barbarian you are

Can't get guns unless you're in cargo, checklist
IEDs are unreliable, checklist
Thermite requires chemistry, checklist
Decon the walls, checklist
Emag/hack the doors... checklist
Grabbing another person and throwing them, not how the electricity works, it should jump to you, and will still kill the prisoner
Build/steal a grounding rod, checklist

So every single one of your suggestions are either a misunderstanding of mechanics or require you to have specific job access, have good RnG (IEDs, traitor) or to have two minutes to blow deconning a wall with a toolbox to get by a single fucking brig window 10/10

Edit : Also Goof why are you even asking this, if you see fellow revs in jail why would you not break them out

Guys I have a great idea. Okay, so you know how windows are supposed to be the vulnerable part of areas? Well, what if we made them MORE ANNOYING TO GO THROUGH THAN WALLS? GENIUS!

I mean fuck at least walls don't try to kill you if you break through them.

You're right. Slicing down a reinforced metal wall using only basic hand tools would absolutely leave jagged, sharp edges that would injure you as you tried to cross, possibly shredding worn items into uselessness. I'll look into adding this so that grilles and walls and more equivalent again.

Zilenan91 wrote:Grabbing another person and throwing them, not how the electricity works, it should jump to you, and will still kill the prisoner

Last I checked, throwing a body at the grille just shocked the guy that got thrown, no arcing or anything since he was the final jump. I'll log on and check again later just in case though unless you feel like giving it a shot yourself with pun pun or some random corpse.

If you're complaining that a greyshirt doesn't have default access to useful things, then what the fuck do you want me to tell you?

>default access to useful things

So what you're saying is that this change requires people to powergame to get past one single window since you can't do it without a full set of tools and insuls, or taking 2+ minutes to decon an rwall and then two more walls to get inside the brig, the entire time sec can come bust you, or you HAVE to have specific departmental access to get around something

Zilenan91 wrote:>default access to useful things

So what you're saying is

no nigga im saying use the glass shard that dropped when you broke the window god damn stop bitching

Don't you get shocked if you hit the egrille with a glass shard or is it snowflaked to not do that because I've never seen anyone do it before

If you're talking about throwing it the shock range is 3 so it will hit you in most brig hallways unless you run away right before or after you throw it

Zilenan91 wrote:Don't you get shocked if you hit the egrille with a glass shard or is it snowflaked to not do that because I've never seen anyone do it before

>HE DOESNT EVEN KNOW THAT YOU CAN HIT GRILLES WITH NONCONDUCTIVE ITEMS AND IT WONT SHOCK YOU

YOU ARE NO LONGER ALLOWED TO COMPLAIN ANYMORE

YOU ARE CLEARLY NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE ENOUGH ON THIS TOPIC

LURK MOAR

irl wirecutters have insulation on them so you don't shock yourself and die when you cut something, but they don't in-game so how the fuck is anything consistent

learn before you complain jesus christ zilenan
1. wirecutters aren't insulated because a. nanotrasen is cheap, and b. if they were any assistant could grief the whole power grid with actually 0 effort by cutting every cable they see
2. next time you wanna bust a grille, grab the shard from the window and hit the grille with it. shards are probably the most common noconduct items, the only downside is that using them without some kind of glove will do very very minor brute damage to you (but any kind of glove will prevent this, even latex).

learn
LEARN

don't help these people PK

they're not worth of the powergame

PKPenguin321 wrote:learn
LEARN

Yeah but now he's gotta find BLACK GLOVES or something or he'll HURT HIS HAND

Electrified grills were fairly easy to break through since all you had to do was smash the window and then throw the shards from the window at the grill a couple of times. At the same time though, having them shoot out tesla bolts if something so much as touches them sounds kind of weird.

Saegrimr wrote:I don't think people realize that shocked grilles are pointless if all you have to do is throw the same glass shards at it that fell off the window.

Now they're an obstacle to be feared again.

I'm not against it being a deadly obstacle, just one that kills everyone around it. I'd be fine with a tesla bolt that can't arc past the person who threw something at it.

PKPenguin321 wrote:learn before you complain jesus christ zilenan
shards are probably the most common noconduct items,

kind of slightly not really off topic but what items besides shards are noconduct I have no idea

If you're really enterprising then test it as an engineer. You have access to the tools and materials to build your own SMES. Wire it to the powergrid and let it charge. Then cut its link, and turn off the APC in the room to make sure that nothing in the room can get magic power from it. Then wire the SMES directly to a grille and set it's output super low. Whatever the minimum power to shock(if one exists). That way you can minimize the damage you take.

>be xeno hunter trapped in xenobio
>queen and pretorian are dicking around with tail swipe
>something hits a grille from tail swipes
>BBZZZZXTTTT
>the queen, pretorian, and myself all instaded
>ground control to sides you have lift off

It has it's hilarious moments like this but it does feel kinda silly. Also it's easily defeated if you just back up farther away and throw from a distance.

H-HEY GHETTO SOLUTION GET YOURSELF INFINITE FINGERLESS GLOVES FROM THE CLOTHING VENDOR THEN BREAK THE WINDOW AND USE THE DEMN GLASS SHARD