Give egun to CMO, RD, CE. All heads (and only heads) would now have eguns, so they could be fluffed as an officers sidearm or something.
Pros: Guns are more spread out, so lowpop+stolen empty armory isn't quite as disastrous. Heads of staff could defend their departments etc in low pop.
Cons: Would be easier to get a gun initially and snowball by killing the CMO. Security (more like the warden/HoS who always take all the guns) have less firepower.
Rate the idea etc
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:00 am
by Jacough
Nah, it'd just encourage greyshits to mug heads round start
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:04 am
by onleavedontatme
But if they try and mug me I can shoot them?
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:10 am
by TechnoAlchemist
telebatons are a bit neutered so i guess ya
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:24 am
by Screemonster
It'd maybe help the CMO last more than two seconds in rev.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:25 am
by Shaps-cloud
I do not trust the average head of staff with a gun tbh
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:38 am
by killerx09
Head antags (Tators, gangs, shadowlings) would start with lethals right away though. I dunno how I feel about that.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 9:50 am
by Steelpoint
I have no strong feelings, one way or the other.
(If you must then consider giving heads of staff a crummy two shot taser as a sidearm)
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:00 am
by Ezel
i rather give them disablers then auctall eguns with a kill setting
EDIT:you know those crappy disablers that can be ordered at cargo but nobody ever uses it
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:20 pm
by Malkevin
Meh, eguns are pretty shitty if you get caught in CQC
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:22 pm
by Davidchan
So long as the eguns in the armory are replaced with Laser rifles or something, it's supposed to be 6 officers 6 lethals for when shit goes south.
Otherwise it actually sounds like a decent idea.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:27 pm
by Lumbermancer
Why would civilian heads of staff carry carbine-sized guns in the first place? Create new laser pistols, similar to the pulse pistol that ert gets, for self defense.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:14 pm
by Cheimon
The eguns are clearly pistol sized, that's why you only need one hand to use them.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:16 pm
by Incomptinence
Shoot the plebs heads of staff forever.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:36 pm
by Ezel
HELLO CARGO DISABLERS!
with the shitty Old egun sprite AKA pistol sized
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:37 pm
by Lumbermancer
Cheimon wrote:The eguns are clearly pistol sized, that's why you only need one hand to use them.
Come on. It's clearly a FAMAS. Maybe Uzi, but it still has forward grip for two hand use. It's clearly not pistol sized. Ion rifle has largest sprite and you use it with one hand as well so lets not split hairs.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:53 pm
by Davidchan
Well the HoP gets one, and he's clearly a fucking civ. And the fit on instead of belts, shotguns can't do that so they are smaller than that.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:59 pm
by Lumbermancer
Yeah, and the consensus seems to be that egun is too powerful to have 3 more pieces floating in the wild with other heads, and getting removed from the armory. So lets just give all heads laser handguns instead. It's fancy.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:02 pm
by DemonFiren
I don't see no fuckin' consensus out there.
Make a poll.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:06 pm
by Incomptinence
Disablers aren't that much more dangerous than lasers. Often it is better to kill/crit than to hog tie when the shot amounts are that similar to reach either state.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:29 pm
by Lumbermancer
Here, I made Laser Pistol sprite. Totally original work do not steal.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:32 pm
by Steelpoint
Lumbermancer wrote:Here, I made Laser Pistol sprite. Totally original work do not steal.
Hey that's mine!
Well, Paprika added the hand guard.
Do the other head's of staff really need a personal gun on them at round start though?
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:33 pm
by Lumbermancer
Steelpoint wrote:Do the other head's of staff really need a personal gun on them at round start though?
I don't know. My point is that if you want all Heads to have a gun, it should be something more appropriate and unique (and maybe not as powerful) as Egun.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:57 pm
by TheNightingale
Here's an idea - disabler pistols. They only shoot disablers (and less than a hybrid taser), but they're small items so you can fit them in your pocket.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:08 pm
by yackemflam
Steelpoint wrote:
Lumbermancer wrote:Here, I made Laser Pistol sprite. Totally original work do not steal.
Hey that's mine!
Well, Paprika added the hand guard.
Do the other head's of staff really need a personal gun on them at round start though?
Lumbermancer wrote:Here, I made Laser Pistol sprite. Totally original work do not steal.
Shit sprite
The grip is too small
We have 5 fingers, not 3
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:20 pm
by Wyzack
I just want laser pistols to be a thing, I don't care where or how.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:25 pm
by Scott
No. I advise you walk in the opposite direction of this, address the reasons that lead to this kind of solution.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:50 pm
by Cobby
Ezel wrote:HELLO CARGO DISABLERS!
with the shitty Old egun sprite AKA pistol sized
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:57 pm
by Anonmare
Just give the other Heads shitty little disablers tbh
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:22 pm
by Zilenan91
In theory it sounds like a good idea, with heads of staff being able to deal with shitters, but in actuality it's just going to be heads of staff antags going on massive murderbones with laser guns because of course they would.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:58 pm
by Drynwyn
yackemflam wrote:
We have 5 fingers, not 3
ahem spessmen have no visible fingers, they have a single mitten-like handpart
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 2:34 am
by kevinz000
Personally the telebaton is the most powerful weapon in the game if you use it right.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 3:03 am
by iamgoofball
Screemonster wrote:It'd maybe help the CMO last more than two seconds in rev.
Only a shitty CMO doesn't last less that 2 seconds.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 3:04 am
by iamgoofball
Scott wrote:No. I advise you walk in the opposite direction of this, address the reasons that lead to this kind of solution.
We can't code player nature
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 8:07 am
by Jacough
Ezel wrote:HELLO CARGO DISABLERS!
with the shitty Old egun sprite AKA pistol sized
This guy's basically got it. Give the heads a sort of self recharging disabler. For most cases, I don't think the heads really need to be running around with lethal weapons. A disabler that automatically recharges itself over time though, would definitely come in handy without being too over the top while also complimenting the telescopic baton as a stun weapon designed more for quickly booting people out of your department.
Davidchan wrote:Well the HoP gets one, and he's clearly a fucking civ. And the fit on instead of belts, shotguns can't do that so they are smaller than that.
Isn't the HoP basically the second in the chain of command if the captain dies? If so, it makes sense that he gets an egun.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 8:53 am
by Ezel
Jacough wrote:
Ezel wrote:HELLO CARGO DISABLERS!
with the shitty Old egun sprite AKA pistol sized
the guy above me wrote:This guy's basically got it. Give the heads a sort of self recharging disabler. For most cases, I don't think the heads really need to be running around with lethal weapons. A disabler that automatically recharges itself over time though, would definitely come in handy without being too over the top while also complimenting
It shouldnt auto recharge then it be OP heads have access to their department sec checkpoint anyways so they can recharge here
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 9:24 am
by Incomptinence
Give the heads of staff a console that gibs their workers and give the captain a console that gibs the heads of staff.
As borg detractors have taught us such a machine is near inconsequential and everything will be fine.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 2:24 pm
by Cheimon
Lumbermancer wrote:
Cheimon wrote:The eguns are clearly pistol sized, that's why you only need one hand to use them.
Come on. It's clearly a FAMAS. Maybe Uzi, but it still has forward grip for two hand use. It's clearly not pistol sized. Ion rifle has largest sprite and you use it with one hand as well so lets not split hairs.
What? It's just a chunky pistol. It looks nothing like a famas. The ion rifle is a fair point though, but at least that looks like a rifle and you can't shove it in your backpack. Here:
Spoiler:
Certain points are a little bit like elements of the gun. The grip is a little bit like a famas, but the famas has that big handle-like arrangement on top, the magazine loading from behind the grip, the long barrel extending, and the stock that you could actually use. Presumably the egun's stock is meant to be extendable in case you wanted more accuracy, or so it can be stored vertically or something. Meanwhile, the sights and stock are a little bit more like an uzi, but the uzi has a curved top and a much thinner barrel shroud than the egun. You can see how the trigger housing mechanism doesn't go below the barrel shroud, and that's not the case in either of the real guns.
In fact, were it not for the stock at the back and the trigger housing mechanism, it would remind me most of the gun from Blade Runner, painted black:
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 2:36 pm
by Lumbermancer
Pistols don't have collapsible stocks dude.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 3:14 pm
by Steelpoint
But MP7's do.
Make it so.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 3:23 pm
by Lumbermancer
Sure, but I rest my case.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 3:26 pm
by Steelpoint
Its the future.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 3:38 pm
by Cheimon
Steelpoint wrote:But MP7's do.
Make it so.
Yes! This is it! Now that you mention it, the energy gun is clearly based on an MP7.
That is to say, a machine pistol. It looks just like one, apart from the sights and ammunition display.
Spoiler:
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 5:22 pm
by Lumbermancer
Sure. That's why handgun should be a sidearm.
Head of Personnel with Security Officer in maintenance:
Spoiler:
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 5:43 pm
by DemonFiren
Gorman was by no means the HoP.
That job went to the corporate lackey who also attended this clusterfuck.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 5:53 pm
by Gun Hog
I think an egun for each head is a fine assistant removal tool, as well as being able to actually demote people on their own.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 9:18 pm
by Screemonster
DemonFiren wrote:Gorman was by no means the HoP.
That job went to the corporate lackey who also attended this clusterfuck.
Gorman was the utter condom captain who logged in once, waited a few weeks, then set captain to high as soon as the playerage lock cleared because he wanted to be the leader.
Carter Burke was definitely tatorhop.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 12:36 am
by PKPenguin321
I don't know about this. HoP gets a gun and you see HoPcurity shitters pretty frequently. I don't wanna see CMOcurity or CEcurity.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 1:07 am
by Anonmare
With the firing pins, RD doesn't need a disabler anyway
Hint, hint.
Re: Give the eguns to the heads of staff
Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 6:36 am
by Davidchan
HoPcurity spawns more from the all access, they used to have sec channel on their headsets but that's gone. Cecurity happens a fair bit anyways between telebaton, stunprod and cable cuffs, and we still have CMOs who will hellmix anyone who pisses them off valid or not.
If getting a free gun was all people cared about bartender would always be filled, its usually open or the barkeep is braindead in his backroom twenty minutes into the shift.
I also hardly see how an egun is too powerful, you get just enough shots to kill one person or crit two, where as the cap and hos both have self charging guns AND a backup egun.
